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12/22/2006 11:56 PM  
Does anyone have the Deluxe Dungeon Master's Screen?

I was reading the reviews on Amazon, but there is conflicting info there. It is supposed to be laid out in a landscape format, which I'm ok with, but one person says that it is 8.5" tall, and another says around 5" tall. Can anyone give some clarification on this (or any other info in general)?

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12/26/2006 12:19 AM  
Wow... does no one have this (or has seen one in person)?

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12/26/2006 8:15 AM  
I don't own it, but I've seen it at the FLGS. It's 8.5 inches tall. Folded, it's a regular 8.5x11, and it's either three or four panels (not sure).

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12/26/2006 9:26 AM  
Thanks, GuJiaXian! That's what I needed to know

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12/26/2006 11:31 AM  
I've got it'

it's in the landscape format it's has 2 sheets in the center and then like 3/4 sheets on the end, it opens up to about 38 inches long and it's about 8 and a half tall. When you have it set up it will box you in an area of about Width 20" depth 8"

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12/26/2006 10:51 PM  
Thanks for the extra info sage_raistlin

Are you of the opinion that it adequately shields your rolls, maps, notes, etc. from your players' view?

I guess that I'm going to get it, whether or not, as it's the only one that I have found using the 3.5 rules.

Thanks for the help, guys!

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12/27/2006 5:58 AM  
Posted By AnarionZelle on 12/26/2006 10:51 PM
Thanks for the extra info sage_raistlin

Are you of the opinion that it adequately shields your rolls, maps, notes, etc. from your players' view?

I guess that I'm going to get it, whether or not, as it's the only one that I have found using the 3.5 rules.

Thanks for the help, guys!


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12/29/2006 3:56 PM  
I have the "Deluxe Game Master's Screen" that includes a screen for D20 Modern.

It's a "short screen" where the long side of the screen is parallel with the table rather than perpendicular as with older screens.

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12/29/2006 10:51 PM  
Hey QC,

That's the one I'm ordering. Do you feel that it gives you enough cover to shield your rolls, notes, maps, ect. from players sitting at the table? I'm assuming that anyone standing will be able to see over it.

Do you like it better than the regular screen format?

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01/02/2007 11:12 AM  
I'm not sure which one I like better.

The low screen is nice because it doesn't hide you from your players, or them from you, especially if you're short.

I think that it does hide my notes and rolls effectively.

I think I'll be using the low screen more often since being unable to see your players is a complaint of the tall screens.

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01/02/2007 1:25 PM  
I'd like to make a short case for not playing with a screen. Sorry for the shameless hijack

I find screens (after having used them for years and years) to be a barrier between the players and DM.

I put my notes on a low side table, and will cover any map with other notes. The side table is not easily seen by anyone. I'll sometimes use a screen when the map needs to be followed frequently, but i won't put it up on the table.

Try it, it's much better

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01/02/2007 10:47 PM  
Posted By Qucalion of Celene on 01/02/2007 11:12 AM
I'm not sure which one I like better.

The low screen is nice because it doesn't hide you from your players, or them from you, especially if you're short.

I think that it does hide my notes and rolls effectively.

I think I'll be using the low screen more often since being unable to see your players is a complaint of the tall screens.

My problem with a regular DM screen isn't so much not being able to see the players as it is with not being able to see the table and the mini's on it.

I use a Quad Masterscreen by Citizen Games - It's blank with slots to put in your own stuff on either side. I would love for them to make a landscape version of it. But then again I've never seen the one I have in a game store since I bought it. They might not make them at all anymore.

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01/08/2007 10:32 AM  
I was actually the first person to write a review on Half.com on this screen when it first came out, but now it looks like my review has been removed.

I really would advice not blowing your money on this screen. There are better screens out there.

I hated this thing because of it's landscape size (I have never felt the normal screen blocked mine or players view), but worse, the info on it is hardly usefull. They also could have crammed more info on it, but they chose to waste a lot of space.

The few charts on it that are helpful are only about half of the charts that they could have used. So half the time you'll be checking charts in the PHB anyway. I also think the equipment chart is a must have for a DM screen, and this screen didn't have anything showing weapons, armor, goods, & services.

After buying this screen and returning it, I got annoyed and just typed up my own DM screen. I printed them out and taped them to an old 2e Planescape DM screen. You can check it out here:

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01/08/2007 12:14 PM  
Do you people mostly use screens? I find they really get in the way personally - if I have a roll I need to screen, I can do that fairly easily with my hand.

Monster attack rolls, damage, saves, etc., all happen out in the open when I DM, though. I have too strong of an inclination to fudge things otherwise, I'm too forgiving or something.

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01/08/2007 1:35 PM  
Posted By IanB on 01/08/2007 12:14 PM
Do you people mostly use screens? I find they really get in the way personally - if I have a roll I need to screen, I can do that fairly easily with my hand.

Monster attack rolls, damage, saves, etc., all happen out in the open when I DM, though. I have too strong of an inclination to fudge things otherwise, I'm too forgiving or something.
I keep a boatload of notes infront of me, so a screen helps me shield my NPC stats and adventure texts. It's also very handy to use for the charts...I don't have to flip through books.

As a player, I actually like seeing the DM behind a screen. Knowing he's keeping secrets from me & has stuff to hide behind the screen makes the game more mysterious to me.

I've never once thought that I can't see the DM's face behind the screen. I've never had a problem seeing the DM. Besides, I've seen a lot of guys who say they are DM's...they'd be doing their players a favor by keeping their mug behind a screen


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01/08/2007 1:36 PM  
I only use a screen if I'm at a very cramped table and a player is going to look at my notes if s/he even glances my way. Recently I haven't though because I'm DMing at conventions where sound is a problem and screens were preventing people from hearing me.

When I originally DMed, I loved using screens. At that time, I used the cover of the modules I was using so I could keep the map of the dungeon in front of me at all time.

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01/08/2007 6:52 PM  
Using the cover of the module!  Good call!  Now you have dated yourself to the old school days!  I used to do the same.  I run a D&D Midnight (By fantasy flight games) campaign and I use their short screen for the game and I like it.  I use the screen mainly to shield my notes when we have a full table.  If it is a smaller group I will skip the shield.  I do prefer the shorter shield.


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01/08/2007 7:53 PM  
I know I'm old school. Some of my dice, which I had to color in, are older than some of the people I play with.

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01/09/2007 4:39 AM  
Same here!  A bunch of the adventures that we have played in the past two years are older than about half of my players.  I don't miss coloring in the dice though.


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01/09/2007 5:01 AM  
coloured in dice (baby blue)... it is the only complete set of dice I still have! As for the screen I liked them back in the day, but after having just played again (after 10yrs) I liked the fact that the DM wasn't hiding stuff. The temptation was there to peek but too bad. I like the idea of a lower side table, and will use that myself if i ever try DMing again.

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01/09/2007 8:02 AM  
By the way, when i say that i find that the screen forms a barrier between players and DM, i'm not saying that this is something that prevents us from seeing each other. It is more a barrier in a metaphorical sense. Note how DMs act when they have a screen. Their eyesight will often be oriented towards the documents behind the screen, the eye contact is much less frequent. Then, if the DM is in a situation where he's unsure of what he should do, he'll fall back behind his screen and rummage through his papers until he finds an answer. You don't see that with DMs that don't use screens, or rather, you see it, but to a lesser degree. The DM will look towards his players much more, less towards his notes (that cannot simply left lying on the table in front), thus in my opinion you have a more favorable role-playing environment.

Finally, i have no concrete argument to support my other theory, only my impression, but i believe that the screen also slightly promotes a competitive situation between players and DM, whereas a screenless table is more aligned with a game where players and DM are all in the same boat together: having fun playing a game. The screen is the equivalent of a statement: i'm the boss, since i have the sword... er, sorry, the screen, whereas you're the players.

For those who have always used screens, i invite you to try not putting one up, or putting it on a short side table that does not block line of sight, to use a very in-game expression. Just try a few sessions, and give your impressions. I've DMed for about 15 years or more with a screen, and i've ditched it for several years now and i don't feel like going back.

This being said, the way i work is simply aligned with my own preferences, i fully understand that this might not be everyone's thing. However, you'll never know if you don't try it

By the way, my players all seem to prefer our games without a screen also.

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01/09/2007 11:08 AM  
Posted By Skyscraper on 01/09/2007 8:02 AM

By the way, my players all seem to prefer our games without a screen also.

Sky

That's just because they enjoy sneaking peaks at your NPC stats and dungeon maps

The screen for me helps me keep myself organized. I have every NPC I use all stated out on my own NPC sheets. I even copy monster stats from the books straight onto my sheets. I like it better that way because I can have a single sheet of paper infront of me rather than the monster manual book. And I can keep track of hitpoints easier.

If I didn't use a DM screen, I would end up having my notes all over the place. And a player wouldn't have to try hard to "accidently" see my notes


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01/09/2007 8:06 PM  
I would prefer to not use a screen, but then I need another creative way to hide notes and such.  I am designing a game table that will allow this.  I would rather look directly at the players without the cardboard monkey shield, but when it is a full table, the secret notes will be peeked at!


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01/10/2007 7:18 AM  
Posted By Oryan77 on 01/09/2007 11:08 AM
Posted By Skyscraper on 01/09/2007 8:02 AM

By the way, my players all seem to prefer our games without a screen also.

Sky

That's just because they enjoy sneaking peaks at your NPC stats and dungeon maps


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01/10/2007 4:49 PM  

I nearly always use a screen. How else can tell players that I have the screen because I can cheat :p

For one realm I started a while ago, I tried no screen, and the players were google eyed with shock, and didnt like it as much. After a couple of games, we went back to the old fashioned screen set up.

I often have my screen/note/dice to my far left which helps with the eye contact and voice issue.
Most of my notes though I now keep on my PDA.

The main game that I used to play didnt make GM screens, (or at least viable ones) and I too used module covers or old D&D screens. So I'm not really in habit of using a screen for information. It's all about concealment


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01/10/2007 6:28 PM  
I bet no one would be complaining about a screen if it was a Sports Illustrated calendar. Hmm, now I need to go buy one.


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01/10/2007 6:52 PM  
I know some women gamers who would have a problem with that.

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01/11/2007 8:17 AM  
I know some men gamers who would have a problem with the game itself if you have such a distraction around.

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01/14/2007 3:49 PM  
Sorry if I missed something by not reading every single post. I kept seeing people say it was 8.5 inches tall. I thought it was 11 inches tall. Meaning, it's like standing a piece of paper up, and having a folding screen (that looks like a small version of a screen in a bedroom used for changing behind). If it were 8.5 inches tall, it would be like putting a sheet of paper on its side. The FR DM screen I have is 11 inches tall, and I thought the regular DM screen was the same.

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01/14/2007 11:35 PM  
Hey Corim,

From what has been said before, it is actually 8.5 inches tall (landscape format), and does fold out like your Forgotten Realms screen, only a good bit wider. The reason that I was asking in the first place, was that on Amazon some hothead bought one, and said in his review that it was only 5 inches tall (and I was hoping someone would confirm that it was actually 8.5 tall). I guess he thought it would be in the portriat format. The only other one that interested me was the FR one, but I wanted one that was 3.5 compliant.

Nyjastul69 mentioned a screen that came with Dragon #331, and that may be the one you are thinking of.

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01/15/2007 11:24 AM  
Oh, I actually haven't seen the DM screen outside of the package, so I just assumed it was 11 inches tall like the FR one that I have. I haven't seen one from Dragon either.

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