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01/10/2007 7:44 AM  
I can't remeber the extact list order of each. I know the beginning and the end but I can't remember what is in the middle of the list (i.e. Lemure-beginning, ?-middle, Pit Feind-end).

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01/10/2007 7:46 AM  
I haven't got FC II yet, it's probably in there. maybe somebody else has?

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01/10/2007 8:05 AM  
Balor
Marilith
Glabrezu
Nalfeshnee
Hezrou
Vrock
Bebilith
Succubus
Quasit
Dretch

Is probably reasonably close. I didn't include the retriever since it is a construct and lacks intelligence, so no hierarchy for it.

Pit Fiend
Cornugon
Gelugon
Barbed Devil
Bone Devil
Erinyes
Bearded Devil
Imp
Lemure

Didn't include the hell cat or Chain Devil. Hellcat would probably be between Erinyes and Bearded Devil. I doubt think the Hellcat has the int to lead other things though so I didn't bother.


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01/10/2007 8:32 AM  
Thanks Richard. I was actually looking for the ordering from the Monster Manual 1. Some know how to finish the list.

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01/10/2007 8:35 AM  
In 3.0 and older editions there were different types (ranking) of demons. You could have a look at those sources. Apart from those mentioned by Richard II you may consider to consult MM 2 and beyond as well as Fiend Folio and the Book of Vile Darkness for more evil outsiders. For example, the Molydeus, demon I'm championing, is nearly as powerful as the Balor, besides you got the Bar-Igura, Nabassu, Babau, Goristro, Retriever,... on the tanar'ri side. For the Baatezu you got the Narzugon, Spinagon,...

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01/10/2007 11:07 AM  
Posted By Richard II on 01/10/2007 8:05 AM
Balor
Marilith
Glabrezu
Nalfeshnee
Hezrou
Vrock
Bebilith
Succubus
Quasit
Dretch

Is probably reasonably close. I didn't include the retriever since it is a construct and lacks intelligence, so no hierarchy for it.

Pit Fiend
Cornugon
Gelugon
Barbed Devil
Bone Devil
Erinyes
Bearded Devil
Imp
Lemure

Didn't include the hell cat or Chain Devil. Hellcat would probably be between Erinyes and Bearded Devil. I doubt think the Hellcat has the int to lead other things though so I didn't bother.

Not to quibble, but I believe you have the Glabrezu and Nalfeshnee reversed in order.  This was pretty much the hierarchy from 1st Edition AD&D.  In 2nd Edition they changed their names, added numerous fiends to both sides and did away with a strict order.  They came up with categories like least, lesser, and true.

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01/10/2007 12:08 PM  
I believe the succubus is actually higher on the list.  They are most certainly higher than vrocks which they summon.

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01/10/2007 1:42 PM  
Least Devils 1 Lemure 2 Nupperibo 3 Spined Devil Lesser Devils4 Bearded Devil 5 Imp 6 Steel Devil 7 Chain Devil 8 Harvester+Pain devils/Erinyes 9 Amnizu Greater 10 Bone devil+ Orthon/Malebranche 11 Barbed Devil 12 Ice Devil/ Xerfilstyx 13 Horned Devil/Pleasure Devil 14 Assassin Devil 15 Paeliryon 16 Pit fiend 17 Unique Devils The Following devil types are only obtainable through DEMOTION: Nupperibo and Malebranche Erinyes are a special type of Devil who are actually fallen Angels, a devil can not be promoted to Erinyes. Erinyes can however breed and produce more Erinyes Only Erinyes can be promoted to Pleaure Devils Aggg I tired to lay this out in a kind of table format but the forum buggered it up

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01/10/2007 3:42 PM  
From the REAL MM1:

Demon Type 1 (Vrock)
Demon Type 2 (Hezrou)
Demon Type 3 (Glabrezu)
Demon Type 4 (Nalfeshnee, also, from xp chart in back of DMG - Bilwhr, Johud)
Demon Type 5 (Marilith, also, from xp chart in back of DMG - Aishapra, Kevokulli, Rehnaremme)
Demon Type 6 (Balor, also, from xp chart in back of DMG - Alzoll, Errtu, Ndulu, Ter-Soth, Wendonai)

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01/10/2007 3:56 PM  
Nevermind guys I got the list from an online source.

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01/10/2007 4:03 PM  
Posted By ShadowLord XT on 01/10/2007 3:56 PM
Nevermind guys I got the list from an online source.


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