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Sean-Khan
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02/26/2007 4:26 AM  
I just started to think of a possibility of GM'ing a steampunk game. It didn't take long before I found myself worrying about not having many miniatures that would work for the game. HECK, WHAT'S WRONG? I've played and gm'd for almost 10 years without miniatures! Now I find it really difficult to put up a game without miniatures - especially non-expensive, prepainted and plastic, that resemble pretty closely what I want.

I've been spoiled by WotC & to some extent other manufacturer's miniatures. Have you seen this in yourself?

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02/26/2007 6:50 AM  
You know, the only time I feel like I have an issue is when I mix and match minis and non-minis. When half the map is covered in minis, but the cool boss is a misshapen coffee can, that gets to me. Whereas, if they're all nickels, quarters, gummy bears, and dice, I have no real issue

I've occasionally had to yell at myself as a dm when I thought about substituting the monsters I /wanted/ to add to the adventure with monsters that I have minis for.

In the end I just bit the bullet and mix, but it does irritate me

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02/26/2007 7:12 AM  
Well, I was running Red Hand of Doom. There was a greenspawn razorfiend, and the mini had not come out yet. I didn't really have a good proxy. I used a medium green dragon resting on an oreo cookie base. Because the people I was playing with were almost all completely new to D&D after DDM came out, they didn't have much experience when odd things were used as proxies. To this day, they still call the greenspawn razorfiend the "Oreo Monster".

While I am a bit more tolerant of having non-DDM proxies or proxies from things that are kind of close but not really, my group seems kind of spoiled by all the money I have spent on DDM.

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02/26/2007 7:54 AM  
insert old timer rant here

Yes, we are spoiled.

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02/26/2007 8:06 AM  
Spoiled rotten.

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02/26/2007 11:28 AM  
In terms of using proxies, I don't find there is a problem. What I did notice is that I find it frustrating now with other systems or in D&D games without maps to gestalt combats. I find myself really liking knowing exactly what I can and can't do without having to rely on a GM who may or may not, from my point of view, arbitrarily allow my actions.

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02/26/2007 1:42 PM  
Just pick up some spare SWM and DDM minis and give them an extreme X-acto makeover...voila! Steampunk

I'm very spoiled these days when it comes to minis. I'm using the Chainmail Shadow Priest for a cleric of Cuthbert in our current campaign and I'm irked that his shield has the wrong symbol (my Cleric of Cuthbert is currently MIA: I need to hunt him down and repaint). I also really need a Hydra (the Reaper Hydra is sadly anemic).

Granted, in a pinch I can easily run combat on the fly sans map or minis. Minis just allow for a streamlined visualization of the 3.5 rules (which are, after all, based on 1" square grid combat).

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02/26/2007 2:04 PM  
I have no problem in using oreo cookies as proxies, but not for any important NPC. The players all target the oreo creature for some reason.

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02/26/2007 2:05 PM  
Spoiled rotten, absolutely, especially if one of the gamers has an obscene (read 4 digits or higher) collection of minis.

I'd kill to run Mass-battles with Zenako's group...

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02/26/2007 2:49 PM  
I'm spoiled. My groups are spoiled. I doubt I'll ever go back to not using minis.
I also picked up dreamblade/star wars/others for future future campaigns.

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02/26/2007 3:02 PM  
Posted By Skyscraper on 02/26/2007 2:04 PM
I have no problem in using oreo cookies as proxies, but not for any important NPC. The players all target the oreo creature for some reason.

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02/27/2007 4:53 AM  
and the wieght of it!!! hahahaha

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02/27/2007 9:07 AM  
We're not spoiled, we've just had our expectations raised. Thanks to DDM we expect more than jelly beans, checkers, and soup cans on the battlemap.

This is no bad thing IMO.

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02/27/2007 12:37 PM  
Sulaco brings up a good point. When expectations are raised, it's hard to go back to what you had before. I've seen it in other areas, like metal spell templates, spray bottles, map use, etc. You can get by on the basics, but why should you if you don't have to?

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02/27/2007 12:54 PM  
Posted By gss_000 on 02/27/2007 12:37 PM
You can get by on the basics, but why should you if you don't have to?
Amen to that.


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02/27/2007 1:25 PM  
Posted By gss_000 on 02/27/2007 12:37 PM
Sulaco brings up a good point. When expectations are raised, it's hard to go back to what you had before. I've seen it in other areas, like metal spell templates, spray bottles, map use, etc. You can get by on the basics, but why should you if you don't have to?

Hey, i still like watching original Star Trek episodes!

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02/27/2007 7:54 PM  
And that is another good point. You can have all the flashy gismos and latest gewgaws you want, but if the story stinks it doesn't matter at all.

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