Posted By gss_000 on 04/08/2007 2:26 PM
Khumat is CR 8, so this is a EL 10+ encounter without the trogs. I've found that only with extreme bad luck does a party have a death at ECL +2, and only at ECL+3 do you start having the chance of a character death. Usully in that latter category, it is a hard fight and the party is going to want to rest afterwards, with maybe one or two dropping but not dead. Once you hit ECL+4 and up, then caracter deaths are more likely, with TPKs starting at ECL+5.

According to the CR scheme, the trogs don't factor in at all beause they are so low. You would need 8 just to be CR 7, and then one fireball would straight out kill most. If worried about them you could just have them run from the field, or factor them in to increase the ECL by one just because of the saves everyone would most likely fail because of the number of them.

Now, most of the time I play in groups of 6 so that can change things although I follow the same rating system. With 4 players, this may be harder depending on if they have the ability to get through all the resistances of the creatures, something that a 6 party team is more likely to have covered because of the number of players.

It sound like if this is the first or only fight of the day, it's an appropriate challenge. I'd have the trogs stench affect the battle ground, but not the Trogs themselves. So 2 Red Slaadi, a Khumat, and Trog stench for a EL 10? I'd have the PC's make a single save against the stench, maybe two. If the party needs to make more than 2 saves I'd bump the EL to 11.�

Originally posted by gss_000:
If you read what I said, I did mention this. I said that without the trogs is EL 10+, and adding the stench saves would bump it up to 11 (although tyoing and writing errors makes it a little hard to read). Any kind of adverse environment that affects the PCs and not the NPCs should raise the encounter.