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wicked cool
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2032 Posts
    
 | | 04/16/2007 11:00 AM |
| | looking to create a adventure around a hill giant camp/settlement. other than other humanoids what creatures would b considered in a hill giant camp. what are their mounts and what types of pets/dogs do they have | |
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nyjastul69
Commander
2710 Posts
Rhode Island
| | 04/16/2007 11:14 AM |
| The SRD has a bit of info on this.
Organization: Solitary, gang (2–5), band (6–9 plus 35% noncombatants), hunting/raiding party (6–9 plus 2–4 dire wolves), or tribe (21–30 plus 35% noncombatants plus 12–30 dire wolves, 2–4 ogres, and 12–22 orcs) | |
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wicked cool
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2032 Posts
| | 04/16/2007 12:18 PM |
| | thanks. do they have mounts? | |
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yack
Commander
3134 Posts
Ottawa, Canada
| | 04/16/2007 1:01 PM |
| | Hill giants love to use dire wolves as pets..so you can throw some of thoses in there. | |
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nyjastul69
Commander
2710 Posts
Rhode Island
| | 04/16/2007 2:02 PM |
| Posted By wicked cool on 04/16/2007 12:18 PM
thanks. do they have mounts?
Nothing listed.  I think huge dire bears might work. | |
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wicked cool
Underboss
2032 Posts
| | 04/16/2007 2:20 PM |
| would elephants work?
im creating a camp too look like this
camp 1 leader on elephant, 2nd in commander rider, hill giant shaman,2-6 hill warriors, 2 ogres, 3-4 dire wolves and some goblins and orcs | |
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 04/16/2007 3:33 PM |
| Could work, but it's wierd to think of elephants in the hills.  | |
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yack
Commander
3134 Posts
Ottawa, Canada
| | 04/16/2007 3:48 PM |
| | yeah i have never pictured hill giants with elephants...but its your world your allowed | |
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
6438 Posts
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| | 04/18/2007 9:55 AM |
| T-rex!!!
Seriously, it's a great mini to use there. Maybe Bulettes as mounts?
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wicked cool
Underboss
2032 Posts
| | 04/18/2007 11:19 AM |
| | a little too powerful a combo for me. i figured if hannibal could cross the alps with elepahnts why not hill ginats on hills. the elephants would be a little larger than normal ones with modified feet for climbing | |
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 04/18/2007 1:26 PM |
| Posted By Teflon Jeff on 04/18/2007 9:55 AM
T-rex!!!
Seriously, it's a great mini to use there. Maybe Bulettes as mounts?
LOL! I started writing this and then thought: Nah, no one else would think this is a good idea. Thanks for proving me wrong.Â
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lycusmike
Sneak
138 Posts
| | 04/30/2007 4:46 PM |
| I've used Advanced Dire Bears before.
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kyrin
Commander
3146 Posts
| | 05/01/2007 7:56 AM |
| Hmmm... you could think outside the box a little and throw the players a curve...
Advanced Griffons (11+ HD) get Huge. Wyverns get Huge in a hurry when you advance them. Or a Dragonne or Manticore for something truly exotic.
A Hill Giant Barbarian Leader riding a Huge Wyvern with Mounted Attack. Nasty.
And of course, there's always dragons...
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 05/01/2007 9:01 AM |
| Ugh! That would be an ugly encounter....for the PCs. One they would remember, though.
BTW, what is the level of the PCs for this encunter? If you are still looking to design this encounter it might help in refining the suggestions. | |
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wicked cool
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2032 Posts
| | 05/01/2007 11:58 AM |
| | probably 8th | |
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kyrin
Commander
3146 Posts
| | 05/01/2007 2:27 PM |
| EIGHTH? Yow! You might wanna pass on mounts then. I mean, just 2 Hill Giants are a CR8 encounter, yes? Toss in some ogre and troll minions plus a Dire Wolf or two, and things can get out of hand. Then again, a Huge Griffon is about CR 6-ish. But a Dire Bear big enough to carry a Hill Giant is at least 17 HD!
I had no idea your PCs were such delicate flowers...
Long gone are the days when some 8th level players could take on a whole mess o' hill giants. MINIMUM of 12 points of damage per swing before power attack will whittle down an 8th level fighter's hp quick, and croak a wizard in a round or two. Use them with caution.
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 05/02/2007 9:10 AM |
| | Well, if the Huge Griffons are 6th (I haven't checked) two mounted hill giants would be a CR 10 encounter, maybe 11 if you want to factor the flight of the hill giants That's a pretty good encounter, albeit a tough one. As long as it is not combined with other creatures of equivalent CR or the PCs are weak by the time they get to it, they should be okay. | |
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wicked cool
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2032 Posts
| | 05/02/2007 1:08 PM |
| | Griffons are not for me. the problem with a lot of monsters is their low attack bonu's they look scary and have lots of hp but they cant hit the side of a barn. i cant see the pcs attacking the entire camp directly but if they do then game over. going with several hill giants,chieftain and a sorcerer type plus some dire wolves | |
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 05/03/2007 10:01 AM |
| | That sounds like a fun encounter, too. Good luck with it. | |
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King O Vrock
Sergeant
396 Posts
| | 05/06/2007 7:53 AM |
| the problem with a lot of monsters is their low attack bonu's they look scary and have lots of hp but they cant hit the side of a barn.
/agree
Every time I pull a monster out of the MM for my high level campaign (even the epic demons and devils) I have to augment their attack bonuses or there will be a lot of whooshing sounds as they completely miss my fighters with 35+ AC
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 05/06/2007 8:30 AM |
| That is a problem with high level campaigns.
Having said that, last afternoon in our weekly campaing we got hit by a golem that was easily hitting ACs in the 50s and I don't think he was overly advanced. If it had class levels, too, it would have been insane. | |
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
6438 Posts
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| | 05/07/2007 11:19 AM |
| Yeah, or you could do like my DM and just lie through your teeth regardless of the rolls. For 3 months now, he's been rolling 19's about 1/3 of the time. We're going to make him start doing combat rolls in the open.
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 05/07/2007 5:11 PM |
| | That is very suspicious. Of course, by probability you can roll a 19 every time, assuming the dice aren't loaded, since past rolls have no impact on future rolls. Now, I'd still want to see those rolls, though. | |
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Teflon Jeff
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6438 Posts
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| | 05/07/2007 8:03 PM |
| You and me both.
I guess that's what I get for playing the tank, but rocking out my AC. Literally, last week, 21 attacks against me needed a 19.
7 hit.
Crazy.
Any way, I would not use mounts based on the party's ECL. Maybe a few pets, or something else if they need some extra challenge, but Mounts (short of a cybernetic Ninja T-rex) probably add too much power and not enough "wow"
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 05/08/2007 12:30 PM |
| | I think it depends on the encounter. A strange mount can sometimes be realy spectacular. Remember the funkiness of the Windrider Pclass, where by taking it you could have goblins riding ogre mounts? I'm glad they didn't update that pclass but you can still have wonderful encounters. But that is just me. | |
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
6438 Posts
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| | 05/08/2007 3:05 PM |
| Well, it's 2e, we're 2nd level, and I have a 0 AC. we've even calculated the need to hit. It's 19 or higher, and I haven't been critted, so...
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 05/08/2007 6:38 PM |
| Sorry, I meant what I said to:
Any way, I would not use mounts based on the party's ECL. Maybe a few pets, or something else if they need some extra challenge, but Mounts (short of a cybernetic Ninja T-rex) probably add too much power and not enough "wow"
Not on your calculations. Those I assumed was right. | |
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Teflon Jeff
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6438 Posts
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| | 05/09/2007 1:43 PM |
| Posted By gss_000 on 05/08/2007 6:38 PM Sorry, I meant what I said to: Any way, I would not use mounts based on the party's ECL. Maybe a few pets, or something else if they need some extra challenge, but Mounts (short of a cybernetic Ninja T-rex) probably add too much power and not enough "wow" Not on your calculations. Those I assumed was right. 
Ahh, that makes more sense.
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 05/09/2007 2:17 PM |
| Except for my grammer, that is. I should have written : Those I assumed _were_ right. Doh!
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wicked cool
Underboss
2032 Posts
| | 05/10/2007 6:18 AM |
| | its funny but to get a 0 ac isnt really hard in 3.5 especailly for a well rounded fighter or monk. 30 trogs can take on a 8th level fighter and not scratch him | |
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 05/10/2007 12:12 PM |
| But there is always that 20. This is why I like incorporating some of the Heroes of Battle rules for mass archery, because you sometimes shouldn't be able to avoid all of those hail of arrows.
But if you don't want to use them, it's time to fight smarter, not harder: nets, tanglefoot bags, alchemist fire, grapples, trips, poisons, etc.
BTW, have you run this encounter yet? | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10069 Posts
United States
| | 05/12/2007 7:03 AM |
| Unless there's a shaman, druid or ranger in the camp, I'd think that any pets that the hill giants have would be skittish at best, and unreliable. I mean, look at this from the point of view of the pet. Why hang around these guys when it's as likely to get you killed as not? I'd think that hill giants are liable to sort of randomly decide to whack a dire wolf just for the amusement factor.
Now, if there's an organizer, and the pets are seen as useful guardians, then they may be taken care of properly, and we have a whole new issue. After all, this implies that some hill giants are the bosses of other hill giants, and I'd think hill giants don't like to be bossed around much. And, that could make for an interesting way for and out-gunned group of PCs to take on the camp--turn some giants against the rest. And who said Charisma was a dump stat?!
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Mjollnir
Underboss
1388 Posts
Canary Islands - Spain
| | 05/14/2007 6:12 AM |
| I would use Advanced Dire Boars or Bears as mounts. Seems some bestial, wild mounts go well with Hill Giants. You could also add some flavour with lycanthropy in (there's a wereboar hill giant described in MM). Other creatures that seem to fit in are ogres as a less powerful force allies (or rivals if it fits you more). A cult of Malar (FR deity of beasts might also work with the barbaric culture of Hill Giants). Other giants may be part of the campaign like Stone, Frost, Fire Giants which could even serve a greater power.
Please, let us know how you develope it. | |
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MuscledDestroyer
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435 Posts
Prospect Park, Pa
| | 05/28/2007 8:53 PM |
| I didn't read the whole thread but Mastodons are good although the book might not include them along with the giant. you could use something like that for the commanders mount. bear in mind the encounter level. Hill giants with class levels are hard enough. Hill giants are to giants what Neanderthals are to us. So keep in mind . | |
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
6438 Posts
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| | 05/30/2007 8:39 AM |
| So, how did it end up going?
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 05/30/2007 8:57 AM |
| | Yeah, I'm curious too after all the input people have given. How did the PCs do? | |
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wicked cool
Underboss
2032 Posts
| | 05/30/2007 10:00 AM |
| | its been on hold which stinks. one of the major players had a business trip which hrew the group for a loop. i had gone without mounts scrapping idea of mounts but have been relooking at spawn. maybe 1 for chieftain who is a wizard type. Hopefully this week they get a chance against a hill giant ambush party so if that goes well then soon the camp | |
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