Sulaco
Underboss
1605 Posts
    
 | | 04/19/2007 12:03 PM |
| So apparently Wizards has decided not to renew Paizo's license to print
Dragon and Dungeon magazines and both will cease publication come
September.
Bummer.
MOD note: Edited thread title for clarity--Zenthrus
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Champion of the Gelatinous Cube. Nemesis of Gnomes and Dinosaurs.
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JohnnyFive
Warrior
207 Posts
| | 04/19/2007 2:39 PM |
| I've moved this topic to the D&D RPG forums, since the magazines are more or less an official D&D supplement.
I really hate to see this happen, but I guess I can see where they're coming from in regards to a business perspective. As much as I loved the magazines, I only found myself purchasing them intermittently, whenever I'd see a new prestige class or adventure I liked. | |
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
6543 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 04/19/2007 3:02 PM |
| They will be missed. I wonder if this is the online model they mentioned for premium content a few months ago?
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Qucalion of Celene
Sergeant
914 Posts
Salt Lake City, Utah
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realmaster
Underboss
1915 Posts
Home of the 2002 Winter Olympics
| | 04/19/2007 11:44 PM |
| | is anyone thinking PDF? | |
Thanks, realmaster. Let's split up!!!!!
RIP Gary Gygax 1938-2008
Unhallowed vindicated champion: van richten
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Count Dooku
Commander
4636 Posts
New York
| | 04/20/2007 4:37 AM |
| If wizards thinks they can replace Dargon and Dungeon Magazine with PDF files they lost me as a customer. I need paper and ink in my hands.
Ill really miss those magazines...Been reading them since I was a young lad.
Im definitly giving Pathfinder Adventure Path a chance and swiching my subscription to that. | |
Champion of the Skulk
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
6543 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 04/20/2007 8:32 AM |
| Posted By Count Dooku on 04/20/2007 4:37 AM
If wizards thinks they can replace Dargon and Dungeon Magazine with PDF files they lost me as a customer. I need paper and ink in my hands.
Ill really miss those magazines...Been reading them since I was a young lad.
Im definitly giving Pathfinder Adventure Path a chance and swiching my subscription to that.
Agreed. I always picked mine up at the bookstore. Now I won't be doing that.
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Against The Giants Called Shot: Huge Green Dragon
Icons Called Shot: Gargantuan Prismatic Dragon
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Cheddar Bearer
Warrior
298 Posts
| | 04/20/2007 5:09 PM |
| Such a shame to see two of my favourite magazines being discontinued. Not happy with wizards at the moment. I can't be the only one who has noticed how the discontinuation comes just as wizards are starting to get back into publishing adventures and at the same time the Paizo adventure paths have gained them the magazine a huge resurgence in popularity. There has been a bit of irritation at wizards for holding back the rights to publish an "Age of Worms" adventure path hard cover for (most probably) the same reason. It is only my opinion but me thinks wizards saw a successful competitor that they could easily get rid of and didn't hesitate to give Paizo the heave-hoe. It seems such a shame that Paizo is in essence getting in trouble for doing so well, too well. I mean the recent adventure paths have been fantastic with savage tides shaping up to be my favourite.
I don't mean to knock the WoTC adventures, they are good and I have enjoyed reading them but if I had to choose between the two it would be Paizo without a moment’s hesitation. For example Cormyr tearing of the weave was a pretty reasonable adventure but when reading it I found myself thinking that it would never have made it into Dungeon. The ideas weren’t innovative enough the encounters too same-y. Even Red Hand of Doom, my favourite of the wizards adventures so far, seem to lack the sheer creativity of Paizo. Adventures like Kings of the Rift, Serpents of Scuttlecove, Into the Wormcrawl Fissure and many other being memorable (to me) in a way that none of the WoTC adventures have been.
Still it’s far from the end. I look forward to pathfinder with baited breath. To see what the Paizo writers can do when they can create not just adventures but the entire world. Will definitely be subscribing to that though the price seems a little off putting at first. If I have to cut down on WoTC product (hopefully not my precious minis) then so be it. Oddly enough one of my first thoughts was that now we’ll probably never see so many of Dungeon + Dragon magazines monsters in mini form. Ohh well. Thos seems as good of a place as any to end this little rant thanks for reading.
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ShadowLord XT
Commander
2623 Posts
Plane of Shadow
| | 04/20/2007 6:22 PM |
| | I was going to (eventually) get a subscription to one of them. Guess not. | |
Disipline is the only way to overcome chaos.
Champion of Half-Golems
Knight of Golems
"This world is made for love and peace" - Trigun
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sheadunne
Skirmisher
13 Posts
Maine
| | 04/21/2007 12:15 PM |
| This is just another of Wizards' "Consoldiations" of their external publishers. They're getting everthing together for their "online" launch. Whenever that will be. They've been pulling their licenses from everyone.Â
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Wyzdum
Sergeant
398 Posts
Long Island, NY
| | 04/23/2007 7:05 PM |
| It stinks. I've had a Dungeon subscription awhile and I look forward to everything in it to enhance my game as a GM (except the lame comics). I much rather have a paperback resource that I can go back to and refer to. Not to mention the great artwork by people like Wayne Reynolds. | |
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yack
Commander
3136 Posts
Ottawa, Canada
| | 04/23/2007 8:42 PM |
| Posted By Count Dooku on 04/20/2007 4:37 AM
If wizards thinks they can replace Dargon and Dungeon Magazine with PDF files they lost me as a customer. I need paper and ink in my hands.
Ill really miss those magazines...Been reading them since I was a young lad.
Im definitly giving Pathfinder Adventure Path a chance and swiching my subscription to that.
If thats the plan they lost me too... pdfs suck!
I need the real thing!
I will check out Pathfinder issue number one when it comes out before I judge. | |
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Sulaco
Underboss
1605 Posts
| | 04/24/2007 9:07 AM |
| Does anyone else find Guy's termination of services as net-rep and the canning of Dragon and Dungeon to be more than a little coincidental? I woul dnot be at all surprised if the DDM questions & clarifications that Guy used to handle is now folded into their new online mag.
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Champion of the Gelatinous Cube. Nemesis of Gnomes and Dinosaurs.
Over the centuries, mankind has tried many ways of combating the forces of evil... prayer, fasting, good works and so on. Up until Doom, no one seemed to have thought about the double-barrel shotgun. ~ Terry Pratchett | |
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realmaster
Underboss
1915 Posts
Home of the 2002 Winter Olympics
| | 04/24/2007 10:05 PM |
| Posted By Sulaco on 04/24/2007 9:07 AM
Does anyone else find Guy's termination of services as net-rep and the canning of Dragon and Dungeon to be more than a little coincidental? I woul dnot be at all surprised if the DDM questions & clarifications that Guy used to handle is now folded into their new online mag.
This bones.
he was terminated?? I thought that he was just taking a break from the boards. | |
Thanks, realmaster. Let's split up!!!!!
RIP Gary Gygax 1938-2008
Unhallowed vindicated champion: van richten
Successful trades:72
Trades in progress:0
Have issues with:1 burning_kazuki
Bad trades:0
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 04/25/2007 6:09 AM |
| | He may just mean termination as in ending, not as in firing (but I'm not a mind reader so he may mean exactly that). It seems more like a coiincidence than a conspiracy here. Everyone involved may have decided that with an environment that requires him to take a break, it might be good to move him to the web content that they were already working on. | |
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
6543 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 04/25/2007 4:16 PM |
| Anyone considerin the Paizo followup offering, Pathfinder?
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Icons Called Shot: Gargantuan Prismatic Dragon
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Capt.D
Skirmisher
2 Posts
| | 04/26/2007 11:52 AM |
| I've been a subscriber to both Dungeon and Dragon magazine for well nearly a decade, plus I picked it up when I was a kid. So seeing two staples of my gaming life replaced by online content is kind of a slap in the face. Sure every issues wasn't great, but they were generally good. Although the only reason I generally picked up Dungeon was because some content correlated with Dragon.
I am not fond of the pdf content and I rarely get much of my gaming material online. I want something I can read on break at work, sitting in the doctor's office or on the front porch swing. I definitely don't want to be bound to my computer and I won't be paying for it. | |
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Dragon Editor
Iuztheevil
Sneak
173 Posts
| | 04/26/2007 11:59 AM |
| Hello all,
I surely hope that you do take a look at Pathfinder, or check out our new line of GameMastery modules. Both are shaping up to be great products.
I also wanted to pop on here and thank everyone for the kind words about the magazines. We really do appreciate all of the support we have been getting.
Jason Bulmahn
Managing Editor of Dragon
GameMastery Brand Manager
DDMG fan | |
Jason Bulmahn
Managing Editor of Dragon
www.paizo.com/dragon
jason.bulmahn@paizo.com | |
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yack
Commander
3136 Posts
Ottawa, Canada
| | 04/26/2007 12:06 PM |
| Posted By Teflon Jeff on 04/25/2007 4:16 PM
Anyone considerin the Paizo followup offering, Pathfinder?
I will check out issue number one and then decide... as for online pdfs I'll pass!
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Champion of the Peryton
Vindicated Champion : Pit Fiend, Devourer
ATG: Fog Giant
DW: Duergar Priest
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Master of the
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
6543 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 04/26/2007 3:28 PM |
| Posted By yack on 04/26/2007 12:06 PM Posted By Teflon Jeff on 04/25/2007 4:16 PM
Anyone considerin the Paizo followup offering, Pathfinder?
I will check out issue number one and then decide... as for online pdfs I'll pass!
I'm pretty much of the same opinion. However, I do want to see what this whole "Digital initiative" is.
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Official Delegate, Wizards of the Coast
Against The Giants Called Shot: Huge Green Dragon
Icons Called Shot: Gargantuan Prismatic Dragon
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The Great
Choco Monster
Ghendar
Warlord
10885 Posts
In the constellation of Cygnus, or Central Connecticut
| | 04/26/2007 5:17 PM |
| Posted By Teflon Jeff on 04/25/2007 4:16 PM
Anyone considerin the Paizo followup offering, Pathfinder?
Absolutely!!
WotC can take their e-content and shove it up their.........
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No Hazel, no peace 
Champion of the Spider Eater with rider.
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 04/26/2007 11:16 PM |
| | Nope. I maybe used one adventure ever from Dragon/Dungeon (not a comment on quality at all, just fact) so to subscribe would just be a waste. | |
Completed trades: blackthorne, Drakkengi,Thorgrin, Ironfist Boulderbender x2, ckissee, nasamonkey, Username, Star, Ace13 x3, emontedodger x2, Drconveyor, church, Joeyb, Sir Bozak The Damned, Xeromod, the other guy x2, Qucalion of Celene, Dagaron x2, berus316, qillan_dvra, AshloreDarkShadow
For further info go to My Reference Thread and Trade Interface
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