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Guano Jello
Skirmisher
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The Argent Palace, 45th layer of the Abyss
 | | 06/12/2007 7:34 PM |
| Ok the other thay i was DMing, with my normal group of people, and turns out one of the players playing a dwarf did something imperdonable, stole the clan kings crown jewels, and he was caught of course (not much of a rogue). So the dwarven king decided to save his life but he exiled the dwarf and stripped him of his name clan Thelberg Tharion, so i tell the player to look for another name and surename but he said he would only look for another name (replace thelberg) because that was his clan name (and what the phb said), to which i replied with a: "well now that i think of it mhhh i dont know...
So its not really that important but does anyone knows which is the clan name Thelberg or Therion or both, right now he is Arrel Therion...
but that might change...
If you want to look at it the thing about clan names apperars on phb under dwarves of course. | |
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 06/12/2007 10:33 PM |
| | I've always seen clan names as the last name, not the first. But if that's the way you want to roll, go ahead. | |
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6614 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 06/13/2007 8:05 AM |
| | What is Thelberg and what is Therion? | |
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GuJiaXian
Sergeant
652 Posts
Roswell, GA
| | 06/13/2007 8:38 AM |
| | Well, Therion is a gothic opera metal band from Europe... Not much help with the dwarf problem, though. | |
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zenthrus
Commander
4811 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 06/13/2007 10:28 AM |
| If Dwarves are European, the convention would be given name first, surname last.
If Dwarves are East/Southeast Asian, the convention would be surname first, given name last.
So, I suppose it depends on your dwarves 
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nyjastul69
Commander
2710 Posts
Rhode Island
| | 06/13/2007 10:34 AM |
| | Dwarves are Scottish. You can tell by their accent. | |
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7146 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 06/13/2007 2:53 PM |
| Brand him with his new name: Steve.
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GuJiaXian
Sergeant
652 Posts
Roswell, GA
| | 06/13/2007 2:55 PM |
| | If the clan really wanted to "strip" him of his name, they'd force him to adopt a new name from the halfling or gnome name list in the PHB. No self-respecting dwarf could live down having a common halfling or gnomish name. | |
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zenthrus
Commander
4811 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 06/13/2007 3:09 PM |
| Posted By GuJiaXian on 06/13/2007 2:55 PM
No self-respecting dwarf could live down having a common halfling or gnomish name. Or an elf name
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Oryan77
Sergeant
955 Posts
| | 06/13/2007 4:29 PM |
| How does Thelberg Tharion not know which is his clan name? Why doesn't he just ask his clan 
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7146 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 06/13/2007 4:34 PM |
| Posted By Oryan77 on 06/13/2007 4:29 PM How does Thelberg Tharion not know which is his clan name? Why doesn't he just ask his clan
I think that's Oryan's way of saying it's a DM's call... | |
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 06/13/2007 5:17 PM |
| Wait, are you saying that DMs can do what they want for games? Unheard of!  | |
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Guano Jello
Skirmisher
8 Posts
The Argent Palace, 45th layer of the Abyss
| | 06/13/2007 9:23 PM |
| Posted By Oryan77 on 06/13/2007 4:29 PM How does Thelberg Tharion not know which is his clan name? Why doesn't he just ask his clan
The king of the clan tell him he had to change his first and last name, to which the player, not the character, tell me the first name (Thelberg) was the only part of his name he had to change because clan name is kinda like a synonim for first name...
So i wiki clan name, but it said nithing i cared for.And now im just in doubt, anyway i think Arrel hast stucked with the character.
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6614 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 06/14/2007 8:20 AM |
| | If he were told to change his first and last name, it doesn't matter if one name is a synonym or not. He still has to change the whole thing. | |
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 06/14/2007 10:45 AM |
| | I agree. You're the DM, you're in charge. The player doesn't dictate what is going on, you do. | |
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Wraithborne
Commander
3531 Posts
West Virginia
| | 06/14/2007 10:48 AM |
| | I would let him call himself whatever he wanted to, but when word got back to the king that his authority was being mocked, it would hit the fan. | |
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7146 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 06/14/2007 12:20 PM |
| I dub him: Mud
Seriously, he can call himself what he wants, it just better not get back to the thane (chief) of his tribe.
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Underboss
2083 Posts
| | 06/14/2007 1:32 PM |
| | your in charge so you decide. make the player come up with a name . maybe he can join another clan and take their name | |
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Guano Jello
Skirmisher
8 Posts
The Argent Palace, 45th layer of the Abyss
| | 06/14/2007 4:06 PM |
| Posted By Wraithborne on 06/14/2007 10:48 AM
I would let him call himself whatever he wanted to, but when word got back to the king that his authority was being mocked, it would hit the fan.
Good one. | |
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Guano Jello
Skirmisher
8 Posts
The Argent Palace, 45th layer of the Abyss
| | 06/14/2007 4:31 PM |
| Well i gotten to a conclusion, according to phb the first name of a dwarf is given to him by his clan elder, and then his last name is the clan name, so if a dwarf was to change his name by dishonoring his clan he should only change his first name, not his clan name, and he couldnt replace it with another dwarven name...(not to logical, if he ashamed his clan he shouldnt carry their name)
According to dwarf king he should replace the whole name....
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 06/14/2007 6:56 PM |
| | Wraithborne has a great point. Actions have consequences, and he's been told what he needs to do. If the character doesn't do it, then he will pay at some point. It could even be the catalyst for some great gameplay. | |
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6614 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 06/14/2007 8:58 PM |
| | You could say that his character is in even more trouble for disobeying the order to change his first and last name. Dwarves are very lawful and could be quite upset if the rules or the ruler is not being followed. The consequences should be worse. | |
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madda
Sergeant
714 Posts
| | 06/15/2007 7:30 AM |
| Deciding which name is the clan name and which is the personal name seems irrelevant to me. As the DM you can force the player, but does it make any difference? I'd let him do whatever he wishes.
I'd even go with simply forbiding him of using the clan name. No need even to change anything. Imagine this: A group of dwarves meet, maybe even some other races. Each dwarf brags about his ancestors. One goes, I'm Rolan of clan Thorda, son of Maul, son of Steelstrong, son of Oldforge. My family protected the Peak mountain for generations, and my grand grand father was blessed by Moradin when making finest dwarven axes. The other goes and tell, I'm Orrgo, of clan Bootrag, son of Highaxe, son of Broota, son of Gragog. Our ale brewing is famous throughout the lands and the secret of making it lies in my clan. Then comes your character and say, I'm Thelberg (or I'm Arrel). That's it. No reference. No history. Everybody simply understand that he's an outcast. A disgrace. Come on, a dwarf with no heirloom stories? He'd be shun where ever he'll go.
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Sulaco
Underboss
1605 Posts
| | 06/25/2007 10:46 AM |
| Posted By Guano Jello on 06/12/2007 7:34 PM
Ok the other thay i was DMing, with my normal group of people, and turns out one of the players playing a dwarf did something imperdonable, stole the clan kings crown jewels, and he was caught of course (not much of a rogue). So the dwarven king decided to save his life but he exiled the dwarf and stripped him of his name clan Thelberg Tharion, so i tell the player to look for another name and surename but he said he would only look for another name (replace thelberg) because that was his clan name (and what the phb said), to which i replied with a: "well now that i think of it mhhh i dont know...
So its not really that important but does anyone knows which is the clan name Thelberg or Therion or both, right now he is Arrel Therion...
but that might change...
If you want to look at it the thing about clan names apperars on phb under dwarves of course.
There is no core or Raw answer cos this is entirely flavor text and setting specific. Thus only you can make this call for your game.
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