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Corim Danex
Warlord
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West Valley City, Utah
 | | 06/17/2007 10:11 AM |
| | Are there any feats that increase the speed of the character? I don't know of any.
I was thinking about making a new class (dexterity fighter--somewhat different concept than prestige class of duelist) that got bonuses to speed like a monk. However, if there is a feat to increase speed, I may consider using a fighter instead of going through the work of trying to be creative and come up with a balanced class.
If there isn't a feat out there, I may consider making a custom feat related to speed, say one that grants a +5 bonus to speed (monks being inelligible for the feat). For my purposes, I was thinking of letting the feat be taken multiple times.
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zenthrus
Commander
4680 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 06/17/2007 11:55 AM |
| Dash (+5 speed, light load/unarmored or light armor only) Complete Warrior
Fleet of Foot (+10 speed, light load/unarmored or light armor, must he elf, half-elf, or human, can only be taken at 1st level) Players' Guide to Faerun
Quick (+10 speed, -1 hp per level including 1st, must have Con 4 or higher) Unearthed Arcana
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zenthrus
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SLC, UT
| | 06/17/2007 11:56 AM |
| | Alternately, take a level of Barbarian with a fighter build (+10 speed; you can wear light or medium armor). | |
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6567 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 06/17/2007 3:48 PM |
| | Thanks, zenthrus. I appreciate the different options you mention. Barbarian wouldn't fit in with the concept I have, but the other options look good. | |
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 06/17/2007 4:28 PM |
| | I don't have my books in front of me right now, but I believe there is somehing in Complete Champions that actually gives you an insane amount of speed per round. I assume this is something you want constantly on and not only by casting a spell or item, right? | |
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zenthrus
Commander
4680 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 06/18/2007 1:50 AM |
| I assume gss_000 is referring to Animal Devotion (cheetah's sprint option). 1/day as swift action gain +5 foot sacred bonus to speed +5 extra feet per 4 character levels (max of +30 feet at 20th level). Your skin gains black spots while this is in effect. Feat can be purchased multiple times. You can use 3 daily uses of turn undead to activate this ability. This ability lasts 1 minute.
Alternately, there is Travel Devotion. 1/day: lasts for 1 minute. Each round move up to your speed as a swift action (thus being able to take a full-round action or standard+move afterwards). Caveat: can't take a 5-foot step when using this ability. Feat can be purchased multiple times. You can use 2 daily uses of turn undead to activate this ability.
In order to take both feats you'd have to have DM approval (since no deity offers both Animal and Travel as domains). Since the two feats are thematically similar (at least the Cheetah's Speed option is) I would allow it in my campaign (servant of a primal force of nature rather than any specific deity). Since Corim stated that a level of barbarian wouldn't be very thematic with the character concept, I would assume that worshipping some primal force of nature would also be out of theme. Granted, the Travel Devotion could still be thematic.
If you really wanted to go whole hog on the speed boost you could have speed 70 as a lightly-armored or unarmored character by 9th-level (Quick, Dash, Fleet-of-Foot, and Animal Devotion). Granted, you'd only be speed 55 most of the time. Add on Travel Devotion and you could conceivably move 350 feet in one round (Travel Devotion to move 70 feet followed by run action (70*4=280)). The question is, what would you do when you get there? 
For sake of comparison:
Human Fighter at 3rd level in light armor could have speed 55 feet.
Human Monk at 3rd level in no armor could have speed 30 feet.
Human Fighter at 10th level in light armor would still have speed 55 feet.
Human Monk at 10th level in no armor would have speed 60 feet.
Human Fighter at 20th level in light armor would still have speed 55 feet (85 feet if using the Animal Devotion feat).
Human Monk at 20th level in no armor be up to 90 feet constantly.
Factoring in the -1hp/level for using the Quick feat, the fighter and monk would end up with comparable hit points assuming the same Con score (d8=4.5 ave, d10=5.5 ave). The Monk outpaces the fighter by 10th level and is nearly double the speed by 20th. However, the monk is also not wearing armor, nor getting fighter bonus feats. It's an interesting comparison. The fighter likely has the better AC (+5 mithral breastplate and +5 shield (+17 total) vs. the monk's +4 dodge bonus and wisdom score (assuming a 22 Wis = +10 total)). The monk's Dex score would have to be 14 points higher than the fighter's (since the fighter can gain up to +5 AC from Dex 20 (and use it via the mithral breastplate), the monk's Dex would have to be 34 (+12) to even out the difference).
The fighter would have a solid advantage until around 10th level. At 20th level a fighter has 4 attacks/round with 250% chance of hitting AC 20 each round (i.e. 2.5 successful hits). A monk has 5 (using flurry) with 300% chance of hitting AC 20 each round (3 successful hits on average).
Past 10th-level it seems that a monk is superior to a high-speed/lightly-armored fighter without tweaking the fighter's build. Swapping a level of fighter for a level of barbarian cranks the speed up to 65. Take a level of Wizard (or Sorcerer) and the Armored Mage alternate fighter class feature (Complete Mage) to spam Expeditious Retreat. Using Animal Devotion that could ratchet the fighter/barb/sorc up to 125 feet per round when buffed. Using Travel Devotion that's 625 feet per round 
Granted, this was just an excercise in comparison. The original post makes it sound like monk isn't an option, anyway.
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gss_000
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Baltimore, MD
| | 06/18/2007 8:49 AM |
| | That's exactly what I was trying to remember. Thanks. | |
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Wraithborne
Commander
3440 Posts
West Virginia
| | 06/21/2007 5:09 AM |
| | If you have no aversion to Psionics, there's also Speed of Thought from the Expanded Psionics Handbook. +10 Insight bonus (which should stack with most other enhancements) as long as you're psionically focused and can be used in Med. armor. | |
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6567 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 06/24/2007 8:51 AM |
| I'm back in town after one week away on a business trip without internet access.
For the character I am making, he'll be around 6th level and won't really be levelling up much, as he's more of an NPC who is in charge of a keep that won't be getting much experience unless a fight comes to the keep and he needs to pick up his wpn and help out.
The idea is to have a fast fighter type with light armor and a rapier. I am liking some of the ideas I have about it and may develop a custom class for it.
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 06/24/2007 1:54 PM |
| | Check out Iron Heroes campaign setting. There are things that don't work because it is a different system, but it is a whol series of fighter classes and may give you ideas. | |
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