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grim2103
Skirmisher
1 Posts
    
 | | 07/21/2007 7:31 AM |
| | Hello, I playy 1st/2nd edition AD&D and magically aquired 20 strength, I was wonder what the to hit and damage bonuses were for that strength. | | | |
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Wraithborne
Commander
3427 Posts
West Virginia
| | 07/21/2007 7:37 AM |
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Hey Woman, Hey Woman!! Listen here. Since your ol' man ain't got no heart, maybe you'd like to see a real man. I bet you stay up late every night dreamin' you had a real man, don't ya'? I tell you what, bring your pretty little self over to my apartment tonight and I'll show you a real man!
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 07/22/2007 1:34 AM |
| | What class are you. I'm assuming fighter, but I'm curious because of a conversation I just had today. | |
Completed trades: blackthorne, Drakkengi,Thorgrin, Ironfist Boulderbender x2, ckissee, nasamonkey, Username, Star, Ace13 x3, emontedodger x2, Drconveyor, church, Joeyb, Sir Bozak The Damned, Xeromod, the other guy x2, Qucalion of Celene, Dagaron x2, berus316, qillan_dvra, AshloreDarkShadow
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realmaster
Underboss
1892 Posts
Home of the 2002 Winter Olympics
| | 07/23/2007 9:54 PM |
| | mmmmm second edition good!! | |
Thanks, realmaster. Let's split up!!!!!
RIP Gary Gygax 1938-2008
Unhallowed vindicated champion: van richten
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 07/24/2007 10:56 AM |
| Define good. 
I always found it interesting with 2nd ed str bonus that a cleric could have his wished from 18 to 19 faster than a fighter could. | |
Completed trades: blackthorne, Drakkengi,Thorgrin, Ironfist Boulderbender x2, ckissee, nasamonkey, Username, Star, Ace13 x3, emontedodger x2, Drconveyor, church, Joeyb, Sir Bozak The Damned, Xeromod, the other guy x2, Qucalion of Celene, Dagaron x2, berus316, qillan_dvra, AshloreDarkShadow
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
6234 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 07/24/2007 5:41 PM |
| Bah, second edition lacking. There are reasons third sold well, it covered a lot of the holes.
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Icons Called Shot: Gargantuan Prismatic Dragon
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Skyscraper
Sergeant
659 Posts
Montreal
| | 07/25/2007 8:17 AM |
| Posted By gss_000 on 07/24/2007 10:56 AM Define good. I always found it interesting with 2nd ed str bonus that a cleric could have his wished from 18 to 19 faster than a fighter could.
I always found it interesting with 1E how many fighters had 18/00 STR. It truly defied statistics
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 07/25/2007 11:32 AM |
| | What? I can't help it if I rolled 00 every time I wanted a str score back then. I also couldn't help that when I rolled my stats the lowest was always 16. That's just coincidence, I tell you. | |
Completed trades: blackthorne, Drakkengi,Thorgrin, Ironfist Boulderbender x2, ckissee, nasamonkey, Username, Star, Ace13 x3, emontedodger x2, Drconveyor, church, Joeyb, Sir Bozak The Damned, Xeromod, the other guy x2, Qucalion of Celene, Dagaron x2, berus316, qillan_dvra, AshloreDarkShadow
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Skyscraper
Sergeant
659 Posts
Montreal
| | 07/25/2007 1:55 PM |
| | I have a confidence : i think i would have switched to 3.X for the STR score rules modification alone, that's how much it aggravated me back then. If your fighter didn't roll 18 on his STR score, he was a WIMP! Even then, it depended how well he did on the % roll. That was ridiculous. I rolled up some "normal" 16-STR fighters as a DM and i might as well get the magic-user to draw a sword a pick up a shield, he would have been equivalent to the fighter anyway. The players had one fighter with the girdle of giant strength and gauntlets of ogre power combo, the rest of the party was only a support crew taking the back seat to this guy's exploits. Okay, i'm exaggerating, we had 10 years of fun in that campaign But still, melee-wise, the cleric with his 18 STR +1/+2 bonus and the other fighter with his 17 STR +1/+1 bonus were not level with this other guy at all as far as driving in melee damage was concerned. | |
The wise man doubts often. The ignorant, sometimes. The fool, never. | |
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Wraithborne
Commander
3427 Posts
West Virginia
| | 07/26/2007 12:08 AM |
| | I hated the % on 18 Str and had house-ruled it years before 3e came about. | |
Hey Woman, Hey Woman!! Listen here. Since your ol' man ain't got no heart, maybe you'd like to see a real man. I bet you stay up late every night dreamin' you had a real man, don't ya'? I tell you what, bring your pretty little self over to my apartment tonight and I'll show you a real man!
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 07/26/2007 9:19 PM |
| | It's funny. Only when I saw it done right did I see the problem with it. It was like I had giant blinders on to the game's flaws. Most of the time then I was arguing that you could roleplay with AD&D. | |
Completed trades: blackthorne, Drakkengi,Thorgrin, Ironfist Boulderbender x2, ckissee, nasamonkey, Username, Star, Ace13 x3, emontedodger x2, Drconveyor, church, Joeyb, Sir Bozak The Damned, Xeromod, the other guy x2, Qucalion of Celene, Dagaron x2, berus316, qillan_dvra, AshloreDarkShadow
For further info go to My Reference Thread and Trade Interface
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Skyscraper
Sergeant
659 Posts
Montreal
| | 07/27/2007 8:01 AM |
| | Yeah, I saw the problem with it, but i found it to be too much of a core rule to change it for some reason. | |
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6561 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 07/30/2007 11:43 AM |
| | We just rolled up hundreds of stats until we got fighters with decent strength, etc. That was the good thing about computer stat generation programs. It took a lot of patience, though. | |
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Ha 80/80---De 60/60---Ar 60/60---GoL 72/72---Ab 60/60---Dk 60/60---Af 60/60---Ud 60/60---WD 60/60---WDQ 60/60---BW 60/60---UH 60/60---NB 60/60---DDe 60/60---SSB 59/60 (Does anyone want to buy my SSB collection?)
Champion of Something, I imagine I will think of something
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realmaster
Underboss
1892 Posts
Home of the 2002 Winter Olympics
| | 07/31/2007 1:14 AM |
| Posted By gss_000 on 07/24/2007 10:56 AM Define good. I always found it interesting with 2nd ed str bonus that a cleric could have his wished from 18 to 19 faster than a fighter could.
I really liked the way it expanded into so many roads for characters and dm's. | |
Thanks, realmaster. Let's split up!!!!!
RIP Gary Gygax 1938-2008
Unhallowed vindicated champion: van richten
Successful trades:72
Trades in progress:0
Have issues with:1 burning_kazuki
Bad trades:0
References: I have given up on creating a link down here so you will have to click the green shield on the left and I hope that it works for you. Sometimes it does not work for me. | |
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PaSquall
Underboss
1384 Posts
| | 08/22/2007 3:05 PM |
| Posted By gss_000 on 07/24/2007 10:56 AM Define good. I always found it interesting with 2nd ed str bonus that a cleric could have his wished from 18 to 19 faster than a fighter could.
According to the rules, a wish gives you 1 point until 16. After it takes 10 wishes to gain 1 point (whatever the class). So the cleric doesn't go faster.
BTW, fighter with 19 STR : +3/+7. Cleric with 19 STR : +1/+2. Not very useful for a cleric to gain STR (unless he really wants to bend bars all the time...)
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PaSquall
Underboss
1384 Posts
| | 08/22/2007 3:14 PM |
| Posted By Skyscraper on 07/25/2007 1:55 PM The players had one fighter with the girdle of giant strength and gauntlets of ogre power combo, the rest of the party was only a support crew taking the back seat to this guy's exploits. Okay, i'm exaggerating, we had 10 years of fun in that campaign But still, melee-wise, the cleric with his 18 STR +1/+2 bonus and the other fighter with his 17 STR +1/+1 bonus were not level with this other guy at all as far as driving in melee damage was concerned.  ...
In 1st ed., the combination only worked with war hammers though.
(I strongly suspect you played GDQ Nice campaign, the paradigm of 1st ed. IMO)
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Vindicated Champion of the PSEUDODRAGON
(Unhappy) vindicated champion of the DRYAD
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Skyscraper
Sergeant
659 Posts
Montreal
| | 08/23/2007 3:13 PM |
| Nah, it was homebrew. What does GDQ stand for?
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nyjastul69
Commander
2710 Posts
Rhode Island
| | 08/24/2007 4:29 AM |
| Posted By Skyscraper on 08/23/2007 3:13 PM
What does GDQ stand for?
GDQ 1-7 Queen of Spiders was a 1e super module. It brought G1-3 Against the Giants, D1-2 Descent into the Depths of the Earth, D3 Vault of the Drow, and Q1 Queen of the Demonweb Pits all together in one book. G 1-3 was originally separate adventures, as was D1-2.
For more 1e module fun check your local library. http://www.acaeum.com/ddindexes/modcode.html
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PaSquall
Underboss
1384 Posts
| | 08/24/2007 7:17 AM |
| Yes.
And though I'm not sure, I think GDQ is the only adventure where you can find gauntlets of ogre power AND girdle of giant strenght AND hammer of thunderbolts, allowing you the dreaded mega-damage combination you were talking about . | |
Vindicated Champion of the PSEUDODRAGON
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Skyscraper
Sergeant
659 Posts
Montreal
| | 08/24/2007 7:29 AM |
| Hmm. I don't think the gauntlets and girdle were only usable with the hammer of thunderbolts. Although i believe that the hammer had something of an extra oomph if you used it with those two.
This being said i think i played through Queen of the Demonweb Pits. IIRC, the dungeon had "corridors" floating in the middle of nothingness, you could even jump or levitate ot fly between them. Stretching a weary memory...
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nyjastul69
Commander
2710 Posts
Rhode Island
| | 08/24/2007 7:57 AM |
| PaSquall, I think they're also in the G1-3 incarnation of those adventures. I remember them and I didn't own the mono's or GDQ until much later, late in 2nd ed before I picked those up.
Skyscraper, I believe you're correct regarding the item combos. I bet we're all working off hazey memories here. | |
You know, I keep thinking that after the new design team gets done with D&D 4e, D&D won't stand for Dungeons and Dragons anymore, because well, that's just not fun. It's old and stuffy. - Originally Posted by BabWryter on Kenzerco.com | |
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PaSquall
Underboss
1384 Posts
| | 08/24/2007 2:51 PM |
| Posted By nyjastul69 on 08/24/2007 7:57 AM
PaSquall, I think they're also in the G1-3 incarnation of those adventures. I remember them and I didn't own the mono's or GDQ until much later, late in 2nd ed before I picked those up.
Skyscraper, I believe you're correct regarding the item combos. I bet we're all working off hazey memories here.
That's for sure !
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