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Wraithborne
Commander
3427 Posts
    
West Virginia
 | | 07/21/2007 10:37 AM |
| | Anybody have this? I was wondering if it was worth buying, or if it was more full of stuff we already have in other books with stupid templates or class level tacked on. | |
Hey Woman, Hey Woman!! Listen here. Since your ol' man ain't got no heart, maybe you'd like to see a real man. I bet you stay up late every night dreamin' you had a real man, don't ya'? I tell you what, bring your pretty little self over to my apartment tonight and I'll show you a real man!
Ghouls: 1 Player Characters: 0 | |
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nyjastul69
Commander
2710 Posts
Rhode Island
| | 07/21/2007 11:04 AM |
| Here is someones first impressions on EN World.
http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=201664 | |
You know, I keep thinking that after the new design team gets done with D&D 4e, D&D won't stand for Dungeons and Dragons anymore, because well, that's just not fun. It's old and stuffy. - Originally Posted by BabWryter on Kenzerco.com | |
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Wraithborne
Commander
3427 Posts
West Virginia
| | 07/21/2007 12:19 PM |
| | Thanks for the linkage. Looks good so far, perhaps I'll pick one up after all. | |
Hey Woman, Hey Woman!! Listen here. Since your ol' man ain't got no heart, maybe you'd like to see a real man. I bet you stay up late every night dreamin' you had a real man, don't ya'? I tell you what, bring your pretty little self over to my apartment tonight and I'll show you a real man!
Ghouls: 1 Player Characters: 0 | |
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 07/22/2007 1:30 AM |
| | I got my first look at the MMV today. In terms of original material it was much better than the MMIV. Now, I didn't mind that installment as much as some because I appreciated what they were trying to do, and to me that was fine. But it was nice to see a lot more new monsters and ones that weren't so crazy that I never wanted to use them. | |
Completed trades: blackthorne, Drakkengi,Thorgrin, Ironfist Boulderbender x2, ckissee, nasamonkey, Username, Star, Ace13 x3, emontedodger x2, Drconveyor, church, Joeyb, Sir Bozak The Damned, Xeromod, the other guy x2, Qucalion of Celene, Dagaron x2, berus316, qillan_dvra, AshloreDarkShadow
For further info go to My Reference Thread and Trade Interface
Champion of Radiant Sevant | |
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PhibbyRizo
Warrior
207 Posts
Good Ol' Minnesota
| | 07/22/2007 2:03 PM |
| I liked it overall. Most of the monsters gave me a "cool, but WTF?" impression. A lot of good, yet strange monsters. That said, I really like the Mindflayers of Thoon section. It was worth it to me, just for that. The new templates were pretty interesting too. | |
High Priest of the Mercury Dragon (Prayers all all I have...)
Champion of Genasi
Unhallowed Called Shot: Ghoul (Vindicated! Gravetouched Ghoul)
Night Below Called Shot: Cave Runner
Icon Called Shot: Hellfire Engine | |
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ShadowLord XT
Commander
2620 Posts
Plane of Shadow
| | 07/22/2007 4:19 PM |
| | Mindflayers of Thoon? Aren't those the creatures created from the Design and Development poll going on at wizards.com a while back? | |
Disipline is the only way to overcome chaos.
Champion of Half-Golems
Knight of Golems
"This world is made for love and peace" - Trigun
"anyway..shadow..you've figured women out. KUDOS." - raye_kino16 | |
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 07/22/2007 4:32 PM |
| Posted By PhibbyRizo on 07/22/2007 2:03 PM I liked it overall. Most of the monsters gave me a "cool, but WTF?" impression. A lot of good, yet strange monsters. That said, I really like the Mindflayers of Thoon section. It was worth it to me, just for that. The new templates were pretty interesting too.
Yeah. It's hard not to get that when you have to come up with original material and not rehash the classics.
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Completed trades: blackthorne, Drakkengi,Thorgrin, Ironfist Boulderbender x2, ckissee, nasamonkey, Username, Star, Ace13 x3, emontedodger x2, Drconveyor, church, Joeyb, Sir Bozak The Damned, Xeromod, the other guy x2, Qucalion of Celene, Dagaron x2, berus316, qillan_dvra, AshloreDarkShadow
For further info go to My Reference Thread and Trade Interface
Champion of Radiant Sevant | |
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vanrulzz
Underboss
2294 Posts
¯\(°_o)/¯
| | 07/22/2007 8:12 PM |
| | MMIV sucked. MMv is way better. | |
TENTACLES!!!!!
STRANGE TEMPLES!!!!
FREE PIE!!!!
IM CRZY KEWL!!!! | |
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realmaster
Underboss
1898 Posts
Home of the 2002 Winter Olympics
| | 07/23/2007 9:53 PM |
| | MMV is a good book. | |
Thanks, realmaster. Let's split up!!!!!
RIP Gary Gygax 1938-2008
Unhallowed vindicated champion: van richten
Successful trades:72
Trades in progress:0
Have issues with:1 burning_kazuki
Bad trades:0
References: I have given up on creating a link down here so you will have to click the green shield on the left and I hope that it works for you. Sometimes it does not work for me. | |
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6562 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 07/24/2007 8:30 AM |
| | My problem with the MMV is that I don't like mindflayers (and by extension the mindflayers of thoon), demons, or devils. With those and the high number of odd monsters, I am having a hard time having enough interest in this book to buy it. This is unfortunate, since I had been planning since the book was announced to buy it. | |
"Look to God and live." Alma 37:47
Ha 80/80---De 60/60---Ar 60/60---GoL 72/72---Ab 60/60---Dk 60/60---Af 60/60---Ud 60/60---WD 60/60---WDQ 60/60---BW 60/60---UH 60/60---NB 60/60---DDe 60/60---SSB 59/60 (Does anyone want to buy my SSB collection?)
Champion of Something, I imagine I will think of something
Vindicated Champ of Hippogriff (Arcadian Hippogriff) and Uncommon Horse | |
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6562 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 07/24/2007 8:49 AM |
| | Another group of creatures in the MMV that seems fairly useless to me is the large percentage of huge or bigger creatures--ones that are too big to appear in regular DDM sets. I think this was very shortsighted. | |
"Look to God and live." Alma 37:47
Ha 80/80---De 60/60---Ar 60/60---GoL 72/72---Ab 60/60---Dk 60/60---Af 60/60---Ud 60/60---WD 60/60---WDQ 60/60---BW 60/60---UH 60/60---NB 60/60---DDe 60/60---SSB 59/60 (Does anyone want to buy my SSB collection?)
Champion of Something, I imagine I will think of something
Vindicated Champ of Hippogriff (Arcadian Hippogriff) and Uncommon Horse | |
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 07/24/2007 10:50 AM |
| Posted By Corim Danex on 07/24/2007 8:49 AM
Another group of creatures in the MMV that seems fairly useless to me is the large percentage of huge or bigger creatures--ones that are too big to appear in regular DDM sets. I think this was very shortsighted. Sorry you feel that way. I tend to take the opposite view. Not everything should be made with DDM in mind and there has been a derth of new huge or larger creatures recently. For me, proxies are not a big thing.
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Completed trades: blackthorne, Drakkengi,Thorgrin, Ironfist Boulderbender x2, ckissee, nasamonkey, Username, Star, Ace13 x3, emontedodger x2, Drconveyor, church, Joeyb, Sir Bozak The Damned, Xeromod, the other guy x2, Qucalion of Celene, Dagaron x2, berus316, qillan_dvra, AshloreDarkShadow
For further info go to My Reference Thread and Trade Interface
Champion of Radiant Sevant | |
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Pale Rider
Underboss
1003 Posts
London, Ontario, Canada
| | 07/24/2007 10:54 AM |
| Posted By Corim Danex on 07/24/2007 8:30 AM
My problem with the MMV is that I don't like mindflayers (and by extension the mindflayers of thoon), demons, or devils. With those and the high number of odd monsters, I am having a hard time having enough interest in this book to buy it. This is unfortunate, since I had been planning since the book was announced to buy it.
I always find it interesting what sells books to people. For me the three things you mention are the strongest incentives for me to purchase the MMV (which i did last week). Different strokes for different folks I guess but I am curious why Demons and Devils don't appeal to you. Extraplanar stuff (especially demons) have always been a staple in D&D almost as much as Undead.
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Completed Trades: Crescent Hawk, Vimes, demagogue, vidman, Eric is God, Strachan Fireblade, FungiMuncher, Dudeeehm, Shasack, gausse, kyrin, nyjastul69
Champion of the Remorhaz | |
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Skyscraper
Sergeant
659 Posts
Montreal
| | 07/24/2007 2:21 PM |
| Yeah, it's rare to hear about someone not liking demons or devils. Say... you wouldn't be interested in trading minis, would you? 
I wonder if someone out there doesn't like dragons. | |
The wise man doubts often. The ignorant, sometimes. The fool, never. | |
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 07/24/2007 5:36 PM |
| Probaly the villagers who are eaten by them. | |
Completed trades: blackthorne, Drakkengi,Thorgrin, Ironfist Boulderbender x2, ckissee, nasamonkey, Username, Star, Ace13 x3, emontedodger x2, Drconveyor, church, Joeyb, Sir Bozak The Damned, Xeromod, the other guy x2, Qucalion of Celene, Dagaron x2, berus316, qillan_dvra, AshloreDarkShadow
For further info go to My Reference Thread and Trade Interface
Champion of Radiant Sevant | |
| Master of the
Awesome Sauce
Teflon Jeff
Warlord
6247 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 07/24/2007 5:41 PM |
| I have it coming, If I get the chance, I'll let everyone know what I think.
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Official Delegate, Wizards of the Coast
Against The Giants Called Shot: Huge Green Dragon
Icons Called Shot: Gargantuan Prismatic Dragon
"Rejoice, for bad things are about to happen." | |
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Raland
Sergeant
867 Posts
| | 07/25/2007 6:20 AM |
| | I don't like demons or devils and planar stuff either, (have several regular trading partners) though will likely pick up the book. | |
Champion of the Kender
ckissee - "providing TPK's since 2007"
Albert Einstein never once said that if the bees disappeared, "man would have only four years of life left" but the theory is a scary prospect. | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
9970 Posts
United States
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Wraithborne
Commander
3427 Posts
West Virginia
| | 07/25/2007 11:11 PM |
| Posted By Corim Danex on 07/24/2007 8:30 AM
My problem with the MMV is that I don't like mindflayers (and by extension the mindflayers of thoon), demons, or devils. With those and the high number of odd monsters, I am having a hard time having enough interest in this book to buy it. This is unfortunate, since I had been planning since the book was announced to buy it.
You are so like the Anti-Me of D&D | |
Hey Woman, Hey Woman!! Listen here. Since your ol' man ain't got no heart, maybe you'd like to see a real man. I bet you stay up late every night dreamin' you had a real man, don't ya'? I tell you what, bring your pretty little self over to my apartment tonight and I'll show you a real man!
Ghouls: 1 Player Characters: 0 | |
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6562 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 07/26/2007 7:08 AM |
| Posted By Pale Rider on 07/24/2007 10:54 AM Posted By Corim Danex on 07/24/2007 8:30 AM
My problem with the MMV is that I don't like mindflayers (and by extension the mindflayers of thoon), demons, or devils. With those and the high number of odd monsters, I am having a hard time having enough interest in this book to buy it. This is unfortunate, since I had been planning since the book was announced to buy it. I always find it interesting what sells books to people. For me the three things you mention are the strongest incentives for me to purchase the MMV (which i did last week). Different strokes for different folks I guess but I am curious why Demons and Devils don't appeal to you. Extraplanar stuff (especially demons) have always been a staple in D&D almost as much as Undead.
In my D&D experience, demons and devils only appear very rarely--and that's when a prepublished adventure calls for them.
There are plenty of other evil creature types that they aren't necessary.
The Orcus Icon is the first miniature that isn't a promo that I won't be acquiring due to zero interest. | |
"Look to God and live." Alma 37:47
Ha 80/80---De 60/60---Ar 60/60---GoL 72/72---Ab 60/60---Dk 60/60---Af 60/60---Ud 60/60---WD 60/60---WDQ 60/60---BW 60/60---UH 60/60---NB 60/60---DDe 60/60---SSB 59/60 (Does anyone want to buy my SSB collection?)
Champion of Something, I imagine I will think of something
Vindicated Champ of Hippogriff (Arcadian Hippogriff) and Uncommon Horse | |
| Master of the
Awesome Sauce
Teflon Jeff
Warlord
6247 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 07/26/2007 1:28 PM |
| I like Evil outsiders, but I agree with Corim about their scarcity. I find my group and I travel the planes a lot more, though, so they have a slightly higher use in my games. And even then, not that often.
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Official Delegate, Wizards of the Coast
Against The Giants Called Shot: Huge Green Dragon
Icons Called Shot: Gargantuan Prismatic Dragon
"Rejoice, for bad things are about to happen." | |
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Oryan77
Sergeant
950 Posts
| | 07/26/2007 2:13 PM |
| That's why I love Planescape. It's an excuse to play D&D however I want 
I can use as much or as little of any creature in any book. I can also use any sourcebook that comes out and it will make sense in the setting.
You people and your limited campaign worlds
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I will buy your unwanted D&D WotC minis collection (DDM only). Email me your asking price! | |
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 07/26/2007 9:14 PM |
| | I've never had a scarcity of them. Seems every campaign world hits them at some point, but that's my game so may not be your experience. | |
Completed trades: blackthorne, Drakkengi,Thorgrin, Ironfist Boulderbender x2, ckissee, nasamonkey, Username, Star, Ace13 x3, emontedodger x2, Drconveyor, church, Joeyb, Sir Bozak The Damned, Xeromod, the other guy x2, Qucalion of Celene, Dagaron x2, berus316, qillan_dvra, AshloreDarkShadow
For further info go to My Reference Thread and Trade Interface
Champion of Radiant Sevant | |
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Skyscraper
Sergeant
659 Posts
Montreal
| | 07/27/2007 8:02 AM |
| I always had devils and demons implicated in my games in some manner. Dragons too for that matter. And orcs. I've always liked orcs. Cheezy? Yeah, but i lik'em still
Sky | |
The wise man doubts often. The ignorant, sometimes. The fool, never. | |
| Master of the
Awesome Sauce
Teflon Jeff
Warlord
6247 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 07/29/2007 11:45 AM |
| Posted By Oryan77 on 07/26/2007 2:13 PM That's why I love Planescape. It's an excuse to play D&D however I want  I can use as much or as little of any creature in any book. I can also use any sourcebook that comes out and it will make sense in the setting. You people and your limited campaign worlds
Yeah, Planescape: Do What you feel like!
I should be in marketing...
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Official Delegate, Wizards of the Coast
Against The Giants Called Shot: Huge Green Dragon
Icons Called Shot: Gargantuan Prismatic Dragon
"Rejoice, for bad things are about to happen." | |
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Choco Monster
Ghendar
Warlord
10849 Posts
In the constellation of Cygnus, or Central Connecticut
| | 08/30/2007 4:40 AM |
| Posted By Corim Danex on 07/24/2007 8:30 AM
My problem with the MMV is that I don't like mindflayers (and by extension the mindflayers of thoon), demons, or devils. With those and the high number of odd monsters, I am having a hard time having enough interest in this book to buy it. This is unfortunate, since I had been planning since the book was announced to buy it.
I stopped at MM3 and I'm fine with that. | |
Leaning towards giving 4e the Digitus Impudicus
Champion of the Spider Eater with rider.
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
How many times in life do you get to eat your own Ctulhu? - Posted By Pedro on 03/31/2008 2:29 | |
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wicked cool
Underboss
2019 Posts
| | 08/30/2007 5:40 AM |
| | im going to wait until 4.0 before buying any more books. | |
The ROCK layeth the smacketh down. Long live Farscape
Vindicated-CHAMPION of the INTELLECT DEVOURER
i will change my avatar when martin completes dances with dragons | |
| Master of the
Awesome Sauce
Teflon Jeff
Warlord
6247 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 08/30/2007 10:50 AM |
| I have 5, I like it quite a bit. It's my favorite MM behind MMI, so that's saying a bit.
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Official Delegate, Wizards of the Coast
Against The Giants Called Shot: Huge Green Dragon
Icons Called Shot: Gargantuan Prismatic Dragon
"Rejoice, for bad things are about to happen." | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1555 Posts
Portland OR
| | 08/31/2007 4:31 PM |
| | It's my favorite overall after the original, though the 2nd one has some amazing creatures in it but lacks overall... if you're still into 3.5 then go for it definatly... | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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arbados
Underboss
1375 Posts
New York, USA
| | 08/31/2007 11:02 PM |
| | Hate to say it but why bother? I was interested, but since 4th edition announcement any book is not really worth buying until a decision is made whether or not to switch. | |
Give me more MIND FLAYERS! | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
9970 Posts
United States
| | 09/01/2007 4:08 AM |
| There are other discussions on ENWorld as well about this. Such as this one where it's being discussed that MMV and Book of Nine Swords were both influenced by 4e considerations.
Dave | |
Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing;
My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
| Master of the
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
6247 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 09/03/2007 4:05 PM |
| Posted By Vrecknidj on 09/01/2007 4:08 AM There are other discussions on ENWorld as well about this. Such as this one where it's being discussed that MMV and Book of Nine Swords were both influenced by 4e considerations. Dave
Ooh, interesting, thanks... | |
Official Delegate, Wizards of the Coast
Against The Giants Called Shot: Huge Green Dragon
Icons Called Shot: Gargantuan Prismatic Dragon
"Rejoice, for bad things are about to happen." | |
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bshugg
Underboss
1778 Posts
| | 09/05/2007 8:48 AM |
| MMV looks like they tried to really flesh out the areas of monster types that isn't heavily represented: ie lots of fey, plants, swarms, and "hive mind" types. There's also monsters that change forms/status during a combat or provide interesting battlefield effects. It may be slightly too experimental but some are really cool. It doesn't feel as solid as a few of the other books but definatly better than others. I rank them:
MM1 (no contest, obv)
MM3 (had the most monsters that spawn adventure hooks for me)
MM5 (well laid out, some really cool, some really odd)
Fiend Folio (The classics were good, some new stuff interesting, but find myself rarely using this book)
MM2 (beyond the classics they couldn't fit in MM1, the book is ugly)
MM4 (uggh! If I didn't get this book for free I wouldn't own it) | |
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