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07/21/2008 9:03 AM  
In a few sessions my current weekly 4e DM will be moving on to the married life, and I will be quitting my weekly 4e group sessions. I've decided after trying it out weekly for about 2 months I have no interest in 4e at this time, I gave it a try, and I just don't like it. Couldn't even explain it to myself to be honest, I've tried. So, I guess I'll get left behind with the other grognards as D&D moves on for a new crowd - I will miss eagerly awaiting new material. I'll still be tracking on DDM Spoilers, because I'll still be looking for 3.5 compatible stuff, I have 2 other groups that play 3.5 still, and we may try out Pathfinder (or Ptolus) in one of them (since we've heard nothing but GOOD things about it - and afaik it's free). Farewell being up to date with D&D for me, hello table scraps.


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07/21/2008 9:09 AM  
Sometimes those scraps are still tasty Greyhaze...my group and I are staying 3.5 as well...we haven't played 4.0, but we enjoy 3e and don't like the flavour changes, let alone the descriptions of the crunch changes...

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07/21/2008 11:04 AM  
Oh indeed. I'm not regretting it, just wished I had some minis producer catering to me and my 3.5 decision. :)


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07/21/2008 12:04 PM  
LOL that would be nice, wouldn't it?

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07/21/2008 9:51 PM  
Posted By Shottglazz on 07/21/2008 9:09 AM
my group and I are staying 3.5 as well...we haven't played 4.0, but we enjoy 3e and don't like the flavour changes, let alone the descriptions of the crunch changes...

same here. we just feel 4e has been designed to target a different crowd that my group falls in to.

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07/25/2008 3:30 PM  
I think I will also keep on with the 3.5 ed. Fourth has not charmed me at all.

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07/25/2008 10:31 PM  
Kinda feels like some kind of secret cult or something. So are we the rebel angels, or the loyal ones?


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07/28/2008 6:15 AM  
Loyal? Can't lump me in there Grey...I stuck with 2e until 2007...

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07/28/2008 7:15 AM  
I stuck with 2e too, for quite some time. Converted to 3.0 just before 3.5 came out... kinda sucked. But, when I say loyal, I guess I mean in regards to the Gygax vision vs the wotc latest conversion.


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Anti-Champion of Guns, "Knight of Bugbears", and Joke Champion of Venger.
Called Shots: Frost Giant in Dangerous Delves.

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07/28/2008 10:16 AM  
I too am sticking to 3.5, 4th ed. is too table top for me.

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07/28/2008 10:21 AM  
Posted By realmaster on 07/21/2008 9:51 PM
Posted By Shottglazz on 07/21/2008 9:09 AM
my group and I are staying 3.5 as well...we haven't played 4.0, but we enjoy 3e and don't like the flavour changes, let alone the descriptions of the crunch changes...

same here. we just feel 4e has been designed to target a different crowd that my group falls in to.


I feel much the same way. Sadly, my group has embraced 4e. I made the decision to try 4e for six months and then reevaluate. I honestly don't like it much.
I can appreciate those who complained that things in 3e needed to be fixed. What I can't appreciate is that to fix those things, they had to completely reinvent (and in my opinion turn it into something worse) D&D.


Posted By greyhaze on 07/21/2008 9:03 AM
So, I guess I'll get left behind with the other grognards as D&D moves on for a new crowd
Sucks doesn't it.
From now on, Paizo gets my business. They seem genuinely interested in retaining me as a customer. I don't get that feeling from WotC when I see them design a game that is about as far from what I want and need from D&D as 4e seems to be.

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G's the man. - Posted By greyhaze on 11/11/2008 8:58 AM
I dont mind butting heads every once in a while. It makes thing interesting. Thats why I'd be heartbroken if Ghendar ever left - Posted By Count Dooku on 04/03/2006 11:58 AM
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07/28/2008 11:34 AM  
How many more months you got to go Ghendar? I only made it two before I was sick faking interest.


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07/28/2008 11:58 AM  
5 months. My apathy growing with each session. So unlike when 3e came out.

I embraced every other version of D&D before this one. Makes me sad that I can't embrace the abomination that is 4e. It makes me sad because I want to support D&D. I just can't do it, so I guess for me it's either go back to BECMI/RC or 1st ED, find another 3e group, or just stop playing all together.

I remember sitting in a D&D seminar at Gencon 05. The WotC staff solicited opinions from the audience about what changes they would like see in D&D and what in 3e should be changed. Who knew at that time that they would rewrite the game from the ground up based on the comments made instead of trying to fix things within the existing 3x framework.

WotC - making me wish more and more every day for a return to the TSR days. :(
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I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
Could somebody explain Snatch to me? I understand the basics, but not how to enter/use it. - Posted by orcmonk220
G's the man. - Posted By greyhaze on 11/11/2008 8:58 AM
I dont mind butting heads every once in a while. It makes thing interesting. Thats why I'd be heartbroken if Ghendar ever left - Posted By Count Dooku on 04/03/2006 11:58 AM
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07/28/2008 12:17 PM  
Guess I'm lucky I have a group that's sticking it out.


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07/29/2008 8:52 AM  
I could probably find another 3e group, but the problem is I like the guys I game with and don't want to game with another group.

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I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
Could somebody explain Snatch to me? I understand the basics, but not how to enter/use it. - Posted by orcmonk220
G's the man. - Posted By greyhaze on 11/11/2008 8:58 AM
I dont mind butting heads every once in a while. It makes thing interesting. Thats why I'd be heartbroken if Ghendar ever left - Posted By Count Dooku on 04/03/2006 11:58 AM
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07/29/2008 9:43 AM  
Can't win em all. :*(


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07/30/2008 6:35 AM  
Heck, can't win a lot of em lately...unless ye like 4e...

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08/18/2008 1:10 PM  

Luckily for me my group is sticking with 3.5, but has already gone the Pathfinder RPG route.  It was going to be a little tuffer to stick with 3.5 before Paizo announced their Pathfinder RPG because I love being able to get new products and reading the message boards with opinions of the current game I am playing.  However, now with Pathfinder this somewhat solves that problem.

Pathfinder RPG feels almost identical to 3.5 with a few minor tweaks.  We have been playing it for about a month and a half and all 5 players, including me love it.Â

The beta version just came out as well as the hardcover so taking this route will not make you feel as if you have been left behind as much.  Paizo will also be supporting their rules with all future adventures and books.  This is exciting news so don't give up and try it out.Â

Death to 4th Edition!!  I will add that our group bought two 4th edition players handbooks and all read the rules before making a decision and the group was all pretty strong against going the 4th edition route.  Never played 4th edition, but wasn't too interested after reading the players handbook.


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08/18/2008 2:07 PM  
I liked 3E, but it had already been done to death, in my opinion. There are certainly things I dislike about 4E, but no one game system has completely satisfied me yet, and I enjoy speculating about what's to come. For example, I can't wait to crack open Martial Power and see the new powers, feats, and paragon paths in store. This weekend I read up on all the big changes in the Forgotten Realms, a setting that seemed to have been standing still next to Eberron. For me, this anticipation wore off with 3E a few years ago. Another monster book? Meh. Hazards of [insert terrain type here]? Meh.

Will this 4E excitement wear off too? I have no doubt. Then it'll be time for 5E. I plan to have several years of 4E fun in the meantime.
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08/18/2008 5:29 PM  
Posted By Keoki on 08/18/2008 2:07 PM
I liked 3E, but it had already been done to death, in my opinion. There are certainly things I dislike about 4E, but no one game system has completely satisfied me yet, and I enjoy speculating about what's to come. For example, I can't wait to crack open Martial Power and see the new powers, feats, and paragon pathways in store. This weekend I read up on all the big changes in the Forgotten Realms, a setting that seemed to have been standing still next to Eberron. For me, this anticipation wore off with 3E a few years ago. Another monster book? Meh. Hazards of [insert terrain type here]? Meh.

Will this 4E excitement wear off too? I have no doubt. Then it'll be time for 5E. I plan to have several years of 4E fun in the meantime.

I can appreciate, though not agree with, what you wrote in your first paragraph. You were ready for something new.

The problem for some of us is that we weren't and aren't done with 3.5. We still like it and we still want more of it. Some are saying that 4e is fun. Not for me. So far 4e is tedium and meh and I can't see that changing anytime soon.

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Could somebody explain Snatch to me? I understand the basics, but not how to enter/use it. - Posted by orcmonk220
G's the man. - Posted By greyhaze on 11/11/2008 8:58 AM
I dont mind butting heads every once in a while. It makes thing interesting. Thats why I'd be heartbroken if Ghendar ever left - Posted By Count Dooku on 04/03/2006 11:58 AM

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08/19/2008 10:05 AM  
Posted By Ghendar on 08/18/2008 5:29 PM
I can appreciate, though not agree with, what you wrote in your first paragraph. You were ready for something new.

The problem for some of us is that we weren't and aren't done with 3.5. We still like it and we still want more of it. Some are saying that 4e is fun. Not for me. So far 4e is tedium and meh and I can't see that changing anytime soon.

There was enough 3.5 material produced (not to mention all the d20 stuff) to last many more years. I haven't even read through all my 3.5 books yet. At this point, I probably never will. Nice to have a choice, though.

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08/21/2008 11:23 AM  
I am definitely sticking with 3.5. The trouble is, I don't like Pathfinder either. So, I will be playing with the books I have for 4e. It's possible we may do some Pathfinder adventures, but I don't like the Pathfinder Campaign Setting (or whatever it's called). Too munchkinized.

I have a group that is just starting something I am very excited about. We are doing a Castle Campaign. We've come up with some house rules to make it work. There are six of us, and most of us will take turns DMing. We are playing SIXTY player characters as the army of the castle. Some nights there will be one character each. Sometimes, we could have two of us get together for a solo adventure. On some occasions, when the castle gets attacked, for example, all characters might be involved. This will take extensive record keeping.

RedSkullz is making the castle walls and towers for me. We have buildings to go inside the castle.

I am very, very excited about it.

The characters will not only get experience towards character levels, they will also be able to earn what we are calling Valor Points, which go towards gaining ranks. Someone could go up in levels, and not get many valor points, and stay at low rank. Or they could somehow climb up rank more quickly without really gaining many levels. We're going to record personalities for each and try to roleplay them so that ones with certain personality traits are more likely to earn valor points.

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08/21/2008 12:37 PM  
Keep us informed Corim. Sounds cool.

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I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
Could somebody explain Snatch to me? I understand the basics, but not how to enter/use it. - Posted by orcmonk220
G's the man. - Posted By greyhaze on 11/11/2008 8:58 AM
I dont mind butting heads every once in a while. It makes thing interesting. Thats why I'd be heartbroken if Ghendar ever left - Posted By Count Dooku on 04/03/2006 11:58 AM
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08/22/2008 4:34 AM  
Posted By Corim Danex on 08/21/2008 11:23 AM
I am definitely sticking with 3.5. The trouble is, I don't like Pathfinder either. So, I will be playing with the books I have for 4e. It's possible we may do some Pathfinder adventures, but I don't like the Pathfinder Campaign Setting (or whatever it's called). Too munchkinized.


To be fair, 3.5 did a good job of being munchkinized. The system lends itself quite well to that type of play.

WotC - making me wish more and more every day for a return to the TSR days. :(
I fought the snark and the snark won. I'm baaaaaaaaaaack!

Some of my favorite Maxminis quotes
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
Could somebody explain Snatch to me? I understand the basics, but not how to enter/use it. - Posted by orcmonk220
G's the man. - Posted By greyhaze on 11/11/2008 8:58 AM
I dont mind butting heads every once in a while. It makes thing interesting. Thats why I'd be heartbroken if Ghendar ever left - Posted By Count Dooku on 04/03/2006 11:58 AM
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08/22/2008 10:23 AM  
Posted By Ghendar on 08/22/2008 4:34 AM
Posted By Corim Danex on 08/21/2008 11:23 AM
I am definitely sticking with 3.5. The trouble is, I don't like Pathfinder either. So, I will be playing with the books I have for 4e. It's possible we may do some Pathfinder adventures, but I don't like the Pathfinder Campaign Setting (or whatever it's called). Too munchkinized.


To be fair, 3.5 did a good job of being munchkinized. The system lends itself quite well to that type of play.
I understand.  That's why it's a struggle to play 3.5 without a lot of munchkinizing.  Pathfinder, from what I have seen, expands the munchkin effect even more.


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08/22/2008 10:43 AM  
I am creating a Forgotten Realm type (I kept Zhents/Red Wizards/Undermountain) World around my fav Dungeon mag adventures/paths and the Dungeon Crawl Classic Modules. Its turning out pretty good, can't wait for my new group play in the world.
That alone will last my life time of gaming for 3.5

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08/22/2008 11:29 AM  
Yack,
Can you post a list of all mods/adventures used? I love when folks string together published stuff into a campaign.

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I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
Could somebody explain Snatch to me? I understand the basics, but not how to enter/use it. - Posted by orcmonk220
G's the man. - Posted By greyhaze on 11/11/2008 8:58 AM
I dont mind butting heads every once in a while. It makes thing interesting. Thats why I'd be heartbroken if Ghendar ever left - Posted By Count Dooku on 04/03/2006 11:58 AM

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08/23/2008 2:03 PM  
we will start 4e next week, but I am not very happy with what I know so far either about it, but my group insisted on trying it, lets see what happens........

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Will do bud so far I have placed
 Red Hand of Doom (centre east a land where the Cult of the Dragon exist, hobgoblins and goblinoids that worship Tiamat.) Took the a few towns of the mod and added them including the forest and wild elves. And of course the mountain range
 Shackle City (first Dungeon path) located in the West south used the city of Cauldron. This land of the wicked, yuan-ti and strange creatures.
 Goodman Games Dungeon Crawl Classics are all over the world depending on the feel of the adventure. I'm working on #18 right now and there is around 50. So it's a lot of work but my world is growing. Once I get the skeleton of the world done then I can fluff it even more.
It is very god heavy (not as many as the Realms but a used a lot of the gods and canceled out ones I felt who power is duplicated.)
 So far it will be a world mostly ruled by humanoids and untamed lands. With spotted villages and the odd grand city. Mixed with elven ruins and tribes (wood/wild) and rare elven cities. Dwarven mines and caves that lead to massive halls of glory. A few gnome and halfing settlements and humans, half-orcs and half-elves live in the cities and towns.
 The map is filled with many forests and mountain ranges and rivers, small lakes and of course seas.
 Dragons are rare but they exist and I'm slowly places types in each section and will fluff them more later one. There are a lot of giant tribes under all races in  many locations. I'm using the shades but have not decided where I'm going to place them, same with the phaerimm. The RedWizards are in the north east shore in a place called the Tharch. The Zhentriam are all over the west side and centre. Waterdeep might make the cut but it will be made a lot smaller, small city.
 Haven't named the world yet.... :(
Once I'm done the DDC I will work on my favorite Dungeon single adventures and add them. Then I will have a list. I have the Shattered Gates modules also added and the 3 piece one with the forgotten king.
 Timeline of the past works like this in power, Dragons/Serpent races, Giants, Elves/Dwarves, Humanoids/humans.
 I have been working on this for about 8 months so far.



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08/26/2008 9:46 AM  
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08/27/2008 4:09 AM  
I am definetely sticking with 3.5e/Pathfinder RPG.

My opinion, as it was written also in the ENWorld forum:

Beyond the discussion if the 4e is a better or worse system than the 3.5e (for D&D type of worlds) I believe that you all agree with some facts:
1) 4e is incompatible with 3.5e;
2) 3.5e is a flexible system and it could be upgraded by fixing its weak topics;
3) 3.5e is an open system (due to OGL) while 4e is controlled by one company and it could be supported for ever by companies or creative people;
4) 3.5e is currently supported (Pathfinder RPG);


Concerning the (1): I enjoy reading my current library of worlds and adventures (written in 3.5e format). I don't care that much about the system. The system is just the tool for our game. It has to be appropriate to express the D&D type worlds and characters; it has to be of a certain quality to support an enjoyable session; it has to be flexible to let us adjust it to our ideas etc. The system (as a run-time system) is going together with a specific format. If you change the system, you change the format and you are making your library obsolete. I don't like it. I prefer to add new worlds and adventures, not replace my old ones with new versions.

Concerning the (2): Note as an example, that the 3.5e was flexible enough to be adjusted to express the OGL Conan RPG.

Concerning the (3): Now that I have experience the open air of OGL, I really don't like to be depended on the interests of one company. Note that sites like the www.d20srd.org, supplements like the Grim-n-Gritty, utility software like the HeroForge and hundreds of worlds, supplements and adventures wouldn't be there without the OGL. By the time that the owner of the 4e will decide to change it to 5e (and make your 4e books obsolete), the 3.5 could be there and fully supported (possible upgraded to incorporate new ideas and mechanics);

Concerning the (4): I think PAIZO Pathfinder RPG is a nice upgrade of the 3.5.

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08/27/2008 7:33 AM  
Excellent points.


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08/27/2008 9:41 AM  
My group is kinda lukewarm on 4e. We just don't see it as this wonderful improvement to the game that the pro-4e folks say it is.
4e seems more like a lateral move than a step forward.

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09/14/2008 3:01 AM  

I always intended to stick with 3.5 anyway. I made that decision 3 years ago. At the time I thought the 4th was atleast 5 years away. I invested heavily in 3.5 with the plan that it would be my one and only system.

That fact that 4th edition goes in a direction that doesn't suit or appeal to me just made it easier to stick to my plan. I not saying that 4th edition is terrible I just saying that it is not for me. I fall outside of the target market.

 


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09/14/2008 3:20 PM  
I'm currently playing in a 4e campaign, but will be joining a 3.5 campaign in a couple of weeks. I miss prestige classes and some of the other flavour of the previous edition.

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09/24/2008 11:42 AM  
We have 7 people in our group. Our DM has always been a 4e advocate. One player was particularly excited about it. The others seemed to be along for the ride and at minimum were open to at least trying out the system.

However, I just sent out an email to the group asking them how they felt about 4e now after a few months play experience. Three of us don't think much of it. I even let it out for the first time that I don't really want to play 4e anymore. I'm not having fun with it. Seems a few of the comments rubbed our DM the wrong way.

Our next play session should be interesting. I'm hoping we can get everything on the table.

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09/24/2008 12:41 PM  
i got an email from a dm in chico ca (where i will be moving in a few months) asking if i would be interested in playing 3/3.5 d and d as he also isn't a fan of 4 edition

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09/24/2008 1:42 PM  
Lucky you. :)


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09/24/2008 2:12 PM  
well there is no players here in milton above the age of 20 and i won't play d and d with guys under 20 so what can ya do

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09/24/2008 2:29 PM  
I meant well (no sarcasm intended).


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