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08/03/2008 3:01 AM  

Hmmm...

http://www.enworld.org/articles/No_4E_for_Necromancer_Games%21/6939


Clark Peterson of Necromancer Games has announced that his company will NOT be signing the Game System License!

In an astonishing turn of events, unabashed supporter of the Game System License, Clark Peterson of Necromancer Games, has announced that his company will not be signing the license as it currently stands, and will not be producing D&D 4th Edition compatible products. Necromancer joins a growing list of publishers who share this position, including Green Ronin, which has made a similar recent announcement, and Kenzer, which is releasing a 4E-compatible version of Kalamar but NOT under the GSL.

Necromancer's announcement follows below:

Sorry I have been so quiet. Things are very up in the air right now. And no one is more aggravated with that than me. It has been about a year now that we havent put out a product. The market for 3.5 is all but dried up. Maybe Pathfinder's release will help, but that is still some time off. I intend to support Pathfinder when it is finalized. I trust and respect the people at Paizo. They are gamers and brilliant designers. They love D&D and have its best interests at heart. Luckily, when Wizards first took over D&D, they put a visionary gentleman named Ryan Dancey at the helm and he was able to convince the powers that be to release D&D 3E as an Open Game, thus essentially assuring that the game we all love could exist in that iteration forever. 3E and the d20 movement was a great time for gaming. A true renaissance, in my view.

Now we have the GSL. Right now, in my view, the GSL needs some major reworking or clarification to be usable. The bottom line, in my view, is that the GSL is a total unmitigated failure. And that is a shame. I have been one of the biggest vocal proponents of Wizards and I love Scott and Linae. I still do, big time. I am hopefull that we can find a way to change or clarify some of the issues with the license so that we can use it and create 4E products. You know that philsophically I believe in supporting the current version of D&D.

Trust me that I am working hard to try to resolve the GSL issues so that we can go forward. I'm optimistic that some changes can be made. Will they be enough to make the GSL usable? I sure hope so.

Please dont take this post as bashing Wizards. I am not doing that. I support Wizards. And if there is one thing that is clear from this process it is that, while I would have done it differently, they have always been great about listening to our comments and revising things based on our comments. That is a credit to them, for sure. And Scott and Linae continue to be amazing and, in my view, working hard to make the license usable.

So what will Necro do? I'll try to break things down by relevant topic:

So are you doing 4E? Well, right now I dont see 4E products in the immediate future from Necro without some changes or clarifications to the license. My hope is that I will be able to get what I need so that we can do 4E products. But as of today we have not adopted the GSL, we have not sent in our card accepting the license. And, unless there are changes or significant clarification, we won't be adopting it.

Necro and Paizo? I still very much want to work with them and they very much want to work with me. The problem is the GSL. Necro will definately be supporting Pathfinder when it comes out. If the GSL issues are resolved, Necro and Paizo will be bringing you some amazing products that we already have lined up and in the hopper. Seriously, there are several awesome products literally ready to go just awaiting the fixing of the issues with the GSL.

Tegel Manor? Right now, in my view, in addition to the problems the GSL has in general, it has specific additonal problems for a product like Tegel. I see the risk to Judges Guild, which wants to continue to make OGL versions of JG content and distribute our old Necro/JG products as well, as being too great to jeopardize permenantly, which the GSL does. But, you may say, Judges Guild doesnt have to adopt the GSL! That is true, but the GSL has some problematic provisions that make that partnership very difficult and uncertain.

What about that free adventure, Winter's Tomb? Can't you just do a free adventure? Its not happening. There is no way to "just do a free adventure" without adopting the GSL, which we have not yet done and wont do in its current incarnation.

So now will you release all that stuff for 3E? Doubtful. The market for 3E is not there. I expect Pathfinder to revive it, but that isnt going to be a full, public supportable system for some time. 3E remains viable for many publishers. But our plan is to up the production value on our products, which means they cost alot more to make, which means our margins are so small, that the current 3E market makes those products not feasible for lots of reasons I wont get into. I know there are many fans who say they will buy that stuff and would love to have it. Well, in a perfect world, we'd love to deliver it. But this isnt a perfect world and fan demand isnt the only factor--there are distributors and retailers and others who are not so excited about generic 3E now that 4E is out.

So bottom line it for me--what are you going to do? We are working with Wizards to clarify and/or change the license. If that works, we will release 4E material. If there are no changes, I dont see us adopting the GSL (absent some significant official clarification of terms of the GSL). We will support Pathfinder. But we will not just release OGL content from this point forward until Pathfinder is viable and we can support it.

How likely do you think it is that there will be changes? I am very hopeful that some significant changes or clarifications can be accomplished with the GSL.

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08/07/2008 6:36 AM  
Thanks for the post Anarion...wow...

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08/07/2008 8:59 AM  
And Clark had been a very vocal supporter previously.
Seems the GSL is closer to the Lorraine Williams era than the OGL era.

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08/07/2008 10:29 PM  
I keep on reading that jumbled as "No Necromancers for 4E Games!"

At this point I wonder if anyone is going to to be making 4E stuff.  Aside from Wizards that is.

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08/08/2008 11:04 AM  
Posted By Cthulhufnord on 08/07/2008 10:29 PM
I keep on reading that jumbled as "No Necromancers for 4E Games!"

At this point I wonder if anyone is going to to be making 4E stuff.  Aside from Wizards that is.


Kenzer is for sure, (already has in fact) they're just doing it without the GSL. I figure the other companies will too.

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08/08/2008 11:22 AM  
I don't think you can release 4e stuff without the GSL. Isn't Kenzer doing system neutral stuff?

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