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glauron
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glauron
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1379 Posts
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| | 05/09/2005 11:55 PM |
| Great idea. I never yet roleplayed with a bard who could sing.
A funny incident comes to mind from long ago. Our group was wading through an army of kobolds with the bard singing "99 bottles of beer on the wall".
Maybe your bard needs to review his song list? | |
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WakeXX
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10152 Posts
Edinboro PA
| | 05/10/2005 12:00 AM |
| | I hate that singing in battle music stuff myself! | | | |
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Cthulhufnord
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11113 Posts
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| | 05/10/2005 12:13 AM |
| I'm not a fan either, most of my hombrewed games don't even have the bard as a base class.
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I hate that singing in battle music stuff myself!
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Cthulhufnord
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| | 05/10/2005 12:15 AM |
| | Ugh... that reminds me the last D&D game I played in had a bard whose focus was on puppets(remind you of anyone). Anyways he used puppet shows to spread propoganda and spread unrest in the general(orc) population, oh and did I mention he was an Orc dressed like a fop. [:p] | |
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WakeXX
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10152 Posts
Edinboro PA
| | 05/10/2005 12:20 AM |
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Originally posted by Cthulhufnord
Ugh... that reminds me the last D&D game I played in had a bard whose focus was on puppets(remind you of anyone). Anyways he used puppet shows to spread propoganda and spread unrest in the general(orc) population, oh and did I mention he was an Orc dressed like a fop. [:p]
lol,If I was the DM he would have died...quickly![}:)] | | | |
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Oni
Underboss
1131 Posts
| | 05/10/2005 12:24 AM |
| The only time I played a bard I talked with my DM about a way around the sing in combat bit myself [:)].
Our group knew each other for years before we started adventureing so everyone knew my tales by heart. So as we entered combat I would shout out "remember the story about Billy Bob?" Sure they would, and say so to shut me up, but they would remember his deeds, and be inspired... Worked for me [)]. | |
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Cthulhufnord
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11113 Posts
Umass Amherst Baby!
| | 05/10/2005 12:57 AM |
| No the DM actually encouraged him in this behavior, granted he did get badly roughed up by Orcs.
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lol,If I was the DM he would have died...quickly![}:)]
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Pale Rider
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1023 Posts
London, Ontario, Canada
| | 05/10/2005 8:09 AM |
| | One of my players tried out a Bard (or as he called it a Muder Poet) but just couldn't get away from the singing/recieting in the heat of battle. He eventually ended up as a Fighter/Rogue. | |
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ChristopherGroves
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6093 Posts
| | 05/10/2005 9:06 AM |
| Have you ever seen the Dirty Dozen? If not, rent it and reconsider the role of the bard. WWII flick and as they are pulling of their secret mission they are chanting a rhymed set of instructions.
A bard doesn't have to be silly songs. They can be battlecries ... chants ... whatever. I've got a Dwarven Bard concept I'd like to play out sometime ... more of a leader / sgt figure than a happy go lucky bard. Then again, the Sgt knows all of the drinking songs right? When you stop into town he's the one who's getting you free provisions and finding a place to stay. Yes he's gruff, but he has plenty of pratice and skill putting folks at ease and getting along. Charismatic for a dwarf, etc. Maybe he's just recounting old stories to calm you down while you're trying to disable that trap.
"Ah don't worry soldier ... you keep working on that trap. In the meantime, just lend an ear. Me and the boys were stuck in a similar situation back on ought-6 right underneath Grashgnar's lair. We'd found the back entrance and scurried in there quick before the patrols saw us. It was just our luck though when an entire COMPANY of Worg Riders decided to stop for a bit right by the entrance. Now we knew it was only a matter of time before one of them came sniffing down our little cave so Mad Brom had to get the dang door open ... real pressure ... nothing like we've got going on today. Now you just take your time there laddie ... listen ... but keep working on that trap. So anyways Brom was a young laddie then and had this girl he was sweet on back home. Well, he hears the Worgs getting close to the entrance just as he finds the spring to the trap. He's so nervous though, what with all those Worgs outside, that he gets his fingers caught in the mechanism. Now, those Worgs are coming ... Brom sits up straight, looks at me and says 'Boss, I'd rather lose two fingers on one hand than lose my privates' ... and I say 'Well son, I'd rather you lose two fingers than me lose my privates as well'. That son of a gun took out his axe and lopped off his two fingers jamming the mechanism and we all high-tail it through the door. Funny thing is for some reason this lit a fire under that boy and he went totally berserk from there on out. I guess it was probably coming home and finding that girl he was sweet on had been sweet on alot of other young laddies while he was gone. Brom got some crazy in him then, and it never left. Shaved his head and beard and starting carrying an axe around everywhere looking for fights ... alright ... you finished now? Good ... good ... told you it'd be easy for you."
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Siddartha of Suburbia
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| | 05/10/2005 9:09 AM |
| | I was never one for a singing character either. Besides, Bards are too watered down since first edition. [:D] | |
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Pale Rider
Underboss
1023 Posts
London, Ontario, Canada
| | 05/10/2005 9:31 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Siddartha of Suburbia
I was never one for a singing character either. Besides, Bards are too watered down since first edition. [:D]
Egh! If by 'watered down' you mean they can no longer walk up to Tiamet pull her tail and expect to live then yes - they are watered down. | |
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Diomedes
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3185 Posts
| | 05/10/2005 9:48 AM |
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I think Chris Groves is right on the money. Bards can do poetic recitation/rhythmic chanting as well. This can be simple cool things. One fella was fond of quoting the Vedas by shouting, "I am become death, destroyer of worlds!" on his way into battle. Not only did this sound cool, it was also a poetic recitation and hence counted.
I do not think that using the marshal's auras is a good solution. If you look at what the marshal gets, he pays /dearly/ for those auras. Giving them to a bard would be very unbalanced IMO (although you're the DM, so do whatever you want).
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Lab Monkey
Commander
4136 Posts
| | 05/10/2005 12:52 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by ChristopherGroves
A bard doesn't have to be silly songs. They can be battlecries ... chants ... whatever. I've got a Dwarven Bard concept I'd like to play out sometime ... more of a leader / sgt figure than a happy go lucky bard. Then again, the Sgt knows all of the drinking songs right? When you stop into town he's the one who's getting you free provisions and finding a place to stay. Yes he's gruff, but he has plenty of pratice and skill putting folks at ease and getting along. Charismatic for a dwarf, etc. Maybe he's just recounting old stories to calm you down while you're trying to disable that trap.
Awesome post. I love that intrepretation of the bard. That character would be welcome at my gaming table anytime. | |
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Link
Warrior
314 Posts
Netherlands
| | 05/10/2005 1:30 PM |
| If you don't like the music, then don't play a bard: Music (or performance for that matter) is the one thing that makes the Bard different from being a sort of compromise between rogue/sorcerer.
I have always imagined Bardic music as something very different from and far more powerful than just 'cheering on' your comrades. After all, in the PH, after Inspire Courage, it says (Su) and not (Ex).
Have you ever felt your blood soar while listening to your favourite music or while watching a great movie? Didn't you ever feel the hair rising in your neck when you witness someone deliver a great speech? Or, in case of an evil aligned bard, have you ever seen footage of Hitler hypnotising crowds with his 'performance'?
In D&D, most characters develop magical or supernatural abilities (not just spells but also turning, wild shape, Quivering palm etc).
Is it not plausible then that the Bard, through practise and experience, has discovered that these powers of inspiration have certain magical properties? A wizard has learned (through study) to form exactly the right gestures and words to produce a certain magical effect: A Bard as learned (through experience) to produce exactly the right melody (or other performance), that supernaturally affects those around him.
If this concept is too softy for you in a combat situation (wich IMO it is not, but that aside), you can always imagine the bard starting a sort of mantra (while fighting) that helps him and his allies focus in battle.
Sorry for rambling on, I didn't mean to start a lecture. I just happen to really like the Bard. I hear this kind of criticism a lot, and I don't think it is right. Dixi. | |
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Pale Rider
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1023 Posts
London, Ontario, Canada
| | 05/10/2005 1:49 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Lab Monkey
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Originally posted by ChristopherGroves
A bard doesn't have to be silly songs. They can be battlecries ... chants ... whatever. I've got a Dwarven Bard concept I'd like to play out sometime ... more of a leader / sgt figure than a happy go lucky bard. Then again, the Sgt knows all of the drinking songs right? When you stop into town he's the one who's getting you free provisions and finding a place to stay. Yes he's gruff, but he has plenty of pratice and skill putting folks at ease and getting along. Charismatic for a dwarf, etc. Maybe he's just recounting old stories to calm you down while you're trying to disable that trap.
Awesome post. I love that intrepretation of the bard. That character would be welcome at my gaming table anytime.
See that would be really cool. It is really how a bard should be played if you don't like the musical stuff. But we all know it really ends up being like this
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Link
Warrior
314 Posts
Netherlands
| | 05/10/2005 2:10 PM |
| Lol, the Order of the stick is great.
Elan always seems to be the laughing stock [:o)]
All right, maybe as a bard character he's asking for it. But hey, if a bard makes people laugh he must be doing something right, right? | |
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AesophDarkfable
Warlord
5628 Posts
| | 05/10/2005 2:33 PM |
| I dont think the music is what sets it apart, I think it is the fact that it is a jack-of-all-trades utility class.
I haven't made my decision on the auras yet, it was a concept that is very similar to the bard as they come from offering advice, commands, etc.. For the bard you change it to encouraging words, advice, etc instead of commands.
I've discussed in depth the different types of bard (Poem bard, story bard) but he just hates the music thing. I have always been of the thought that Bard should be a prestige class anyway. He suggested this marshall idea and I thought id throw it up for discussion.
Only one person stated they thought itd be overpowered what are otehrs thoughts. What if you scaled back the amount of auras and level of Major aura they got. | |
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ChristopherGroves
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6093 Posts
| | 05/10/2005 2:37 PM |
| I'd say to play one or the other and stick with that. They are very similar in concept. Mixing them up would make a mess I think.
I'd guess you'd need to figure out whether or not the 1/level uses of the bard abilities is roughly equivalent to the auras ... I don't have the books in front of me, but if you compared the BAB, saves, HP, skills and spell casting of the bard with the BAB, saves, HP and skills of the marshal, where do they stand? Does the marshal get more HP and skills? I know he doesn't have spells ... | |
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AesophDarkfable
Warlord
5628 Posts
| | 05/10/2005 3:41 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by ChristopherGroves
I'd say to play one or the other and stick with that. They are very similar in concept. Mixing them up would make a mess I think.
I'd guess you'd need to figure out whether or not the 1/level uses of the bard abilities is roughly equivalent to the auras ... I don't have the books in front of me, but if you compared the BAB, saves, HP, skills and spell casting of the bard with the BAB, saves, HP and skills of the marshal, where do they stand? Does the marshal get more HP and skills? I know he doesn't have spells ...
Marshall has more HP, less skills (4 as opposed to 6) and good FORT and WILL vs good REFLEX and WILL. | |
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ChristopherGroves
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BigBC
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620 Posts
| | 05/10/2005 4:32 PM |
| | 'Bluff, bluff, bluff, bluff the stupid ogre!' Come on, that's classic stuff. [:D] We've got a bard who performs only on the harp. She won't sing because she's afraid we may make her do it for real for the roll playing aspect (she's right). [)] | |
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Fry
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1724 Posts
| | 05/10/2005 4:35 PM |
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As printed in the SRD:
While these abilities fall under the category of bardic music and the descriptions discuss singing or playing instruments, they can all be activated by reciting poetry, chanting, singing lyrical songs, singing melodies, whistling, playing an instrument, or playing an instrument in combination with some spoken performance.
Just make a bard with Perform: oration or Perform: comedy, to name a few I have seen in official supplements. Heck, I'd even allow Perform: Dance in my game. I'd suggest not getting too caught up on the roleplaying aspect of the bardic music, and treating it mostly as any other special ability (like the marshal auras, for instance): just say, "I'm using bardic music, here's my perform check," not bothering with what exactly the bard is singing about, etc. Maybe if the character wants to roleplay it to the hilt, give it a +1 circumstance bonus or something. | |
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MrWalrus
Sneak
76 Posts
| | 05/11/2005 4:25 PM |
| I'm playing a Gnome Bard right now, and having a good time with the character. Instead of music, I have him set up as an epic storyteller. He tells stories loudly and gesticulates wildly as he rambles on about the deeds of other impressive folks while dropping unsubtle hints about what's going on around him.
For example "... but Ramocles found a gap in the armour of his foe, much like the gap in that guy with the mace's armour. Bold Ramocles, now knowing the weakness of his enemy, ran his enemy through with his cold steel blade. AHEM. RAN HIM THROUGH WITH HIS COLD STEEL -- yeah, that's it, there you go."
His stories tend to be completely made up, but nobody seems to particularly care. He acts more like a manic general than an inspiring musician, which suits me just fine. He's also dangerous with a crossbow, although not necessarily dangerous to who he's aiming at. | |
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B
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1189 Posts
| | 05/11/2005 4:46 PM |
| I think that the biggest problem that people have with bards is visualizing what these people are doing to motivate their comrades. Anyone who has seen Henry IV understands what a bard should do, but most players don't want to compose a speech every session. Not only do players not want to compose a speech, but quite often they don't have the chance to get it out before combat is joined. I can visualize bards motivating their companions with battle cries in this instance.
For example, your party of loyal nationals is beset by a horde of orcs. The orcs are fierce and the bard fears that morale may break. With a cry of "For the Lion" he draws his sword and charges one of the orcs. The bard's companions take up the cry and rejoin the battle with gusto. If the bard takes time with the other members of the party they can come up with a few "Avenger's Assemble" type battle cries that make sense for the party.
I can picture how bardic music can be used before a battle is joined. If you look at history you see the influence of scottish pipers and calvalry buglers. I could easily picture a bard flling these roles.
The biggest problem I have with the bard class is the duration of the bardic music's effects. I believe that bardic music should last an entire battle unless something forces a "morale check" of sorts. This would allow the bard to use it's musical ability at the beginning of a fight, and not have to worry about keeping it going. The biggest problem I had when I played a bard was the fact that I was effectively out of the fight unless I wanted to stop helping my friends. I think having the duration increased would definately make the bard a more playable character. just my thoughts on the matter [:D] | |
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MerricB
Underboss
2353 Posts
Australia
| | 05/11/2005 8:24 PM |
| A bard begins singing as a standard action.
The next round he continues singing, but it requires no more actions - he can attack with bow or sword as required. However, to cast a spell he must stop singing.
The effects of Inspire Courage last for five rounds after he stops singing - normally long enough for a battle to be completed. The Lingering Song feat doubles that to 10 rounds - more than enough for most battles.
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B
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1189 Posts
| | 05/11/2005 9:36 PM |
| I know that the bardic music lasts a little while, but I guess my biggest problem was visualizing the bard continuing to sing (and the companions continuing to listen) once the battle is in full swing. I can visualize a bugle or bagpipe drowning out the sound of battle, but I can't see a bard playing and fighting. I could also see a battlecry rallying a bard's companions, but I can't see a bard yelling a battlecry every round. I guess that's my main problem....visualization.
What book is lingering song from? That may be the answer to my problem[:D] | |
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Siddartha of Suburbia
Underboss
2277 Posts
| | 05/11/2005 9:41 PM |
| Having performed in, and directed musicals, I can assure you that there is no way to really fight and sing at the same time. No matter what you my have seen in the Pirates of Penzance.
You'd have to pull a Milli Vanilli and lypsync to the bard hiding in the trees watching the battle while you fight. | |
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MerricB
Underboss
2353 Posts
Australia
| | 05/11/2005 10:05 PM |
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Originally posted by B
What book is lingering song from? That may be the answer to my problem[:D]
Should be in Complete Adventurer, I think.
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glauron
Underboss
1379 Posts
Sydney, Australia
| | 05/12/2005 2:51 AM |
| Bard song taken from a log several months past:
"We're going to get our asses kicked,
If these monsters aren't soon licked,
Blast them with your fireball Fred (party Wizard Fredergar)
Or we'll likely end up dead,
Aaaaagggghhhhh"
Fred misplaced his fireball, bringing bard down to zero hit points.
Dave, the Bard continued.
"Things are getting pretty hot,
Not to put you on the spot,
Aim your fireball over there,
I've not a hit point left to spare.
Gurgling sounds."
Bard collapsed.
The rest of the group cheered and went on to victory. | |
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Siddartha of Suburbia
Underboss
2277 Posts
| | 05/12/2005 7:03 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by glauron
Bard song taken from a log several months past:
"We're going to get our asses kicked,
If these monsters aren't soon licked,
Blast them with your fireball Fred (party Wizard Fredergar)
Or we'll likely end up dead,
Aaaaagggghhhhh"
Fred misplaced his fireball, bringing bard down to zero hit points.
Dave, the Bard continued.
"Things are getting pretty hot,
Not to put you on the spot,
Aim your fireball over there,
I've not a hit point left to spare.
Gurgling sounds."
Bard collapsed.
The rest of the group cheered and went on to victory.
Do you write those down, or does the party's bard?
That's pretty funny. I can just see it now, a player making up a rhyming couplet each round of combat. That would be excellent. | |
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Link
Warrior
314 Posts
Netherlands
| | 05/12/2005 8:09 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by glauron
Bard song taken from a log several months past:
"We're going to get our asses kicked,
If these monsters aren't soon licked,
Blast them with your fireball Fred (party Wizard Fredergar)
Or we'll likely end up dead,
Aaaaagggghhhhh"
Fred misplaced his fireball, bringing bard down to zero hit points.
Dave, the Bard continued.
"Things are getting pretty hot,
Not to put you on the spot,
Aim your fireball over there,
I've not a hit point left to spare.
Gurgling sounds."
Bard collapsed.
The rest of the group cheered and went on to victory.
Thats great! Made me think of that scene with the bard from Monty Python's Holy Grail: "brave brave sir Robin, brave sir Robin ran away.." | |
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glauron
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1379 Posts
Sydney, Australia
| | 05/12/2005 8:20 AM |
| Hi Siddartha,
I am the log-master and record keeper, but Dave makes up his own. Usually a 2 liner each combat turn, but occassionally he gets more creative. He scribbles them down between turns so I can add them to the log.
He even has a few premade for out of combat performances. Some are too bawdy to post here. | |
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Siddartha of Suburbia
Underboss
2277 Posts
| | 05/12/2005 8:24 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by glauron
Hi Siddartha,
I am the log-master and record keeper, but Dave makes up his own. Usually a 2 liner each combat turn, but occassionally he gets more creative. He scribbles them down between turns so I can add them to the log.
He even has a few premade for out of combat performances. Some are too bawdy to post here.
I am inspired. The next heroic death I suffer will lead to the creation of a bard, for good or for ill. | |
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glauron
Underboss
1379 Posts
Sydney, Australia
| | 05/12/2005 8:42 AM |
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Originally posted by Siddartha of Suburbia
I am inspired. The next heroic death I suffer will lead to the creation of a bard, for good or for ill.
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LOL,
Then I better dig up a few of Dave's ditties so you have a starting collection.
There's one from way back I recall where he started a bar fight by insulting the drinking habits of a band of dwarves.
It had everyone in stitches.
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notserious
Sneak
117 Posts
| | 05/13/2005 9:52 AM |
| The image that always comes to mind for bards in battle for me is from comic books (I can't be the only one on this forum). 'V for Vendetta' from the late 80's early 90's (can't remember which and am not at home to check) opens with this awesome bit where the hero (V) in flowing cape and Guy Fawkes mask beats the tar out of some corrupt law enforcement guys, saving a non-typical damsel in distress, all while reciting Milton's 'Jerusalem' (Bring me by bow of buring gold, bring me my arrows of desire, bring me my spear - oh cloud unfold, bring me my chariot of fire, I will not cease from mental fight, nor will my sword rest in my hand, etc.). To echo Sid o' sub, it isn't realistic, but neither is flinging fireballs or slicing a body in half with a medieval sword.
B's example is also a good one - Kenneth Brannagh speach in (B says Henry IV but I thought it was Henry V) is a great example - maybe ol' Henry was a high enough level bard with the right feats to make the speach last.
Finally, on a historical note. the British banned bagpipes as an instrument of war in their attempts to keep the Scots in check. Bagpipes jokes aside (and there are plenty!), this speak to the real-life role of music in combat | |
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Captain Harlock
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450 Posts
| | 05/13/2005 10:55 AM |
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Originally posted by notserious
The image that always comes to mind for bards in battle for me is from comic books (I can't be the only one on this forum). 'V for Vendetta' from the late 80's early 90's (can't remember which and am not at home to check) opens with this awesome bit where the hero (V) in flowing cape and Guy Fawkes mask beats the tar out of some corrupt law enforcement guys, saving a non-typical damsel in distress, all while reciting Milton's 'Jerusalem'
To me, the image I bring up is Cyrano De Bergerac spontaneously creating poetry during a duel, ending the poem when he finshes the duel (and the opponent, who had the nerve to say "Sir, your nose is large." Cyrano was insulted, not by the fact that the man said his nose was large, but by the fact that the man was such a dullard he could not come up with a more creative insult. [:D] )
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For there is surely nothing so beautiful than the sight of a lone man facing single-handedly half a ton of angry pot roast.
You will all go directly to your respective vahallas, Go directly, do not pass go do not collect two hundred dollars
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Knight of Wuzz
Wuzzard
-827 Posts
| | 05/17/2005 9:46 AM |
| | There is a bard in Wurld of WuzCraft PBEM game. He seems to have no problems using song to aid in battle. [:D] | | | |
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Choco Monster
Ghendar
Warlord
13069 Posts
Mud Lick, Kentucky
| | 05/17/2005 9:53 AM |
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Originally posted by notserious
The image that always comes to mind for bards in battle for me is from comic books (I can't be the only one on this forum). 'V for Vendetta' from the late 80's early 90's (can't remember which and am not at home to check) opens with this awesome bit where the hero (V) in flowing cape and Guy Fawkes mask beats the tar out of some corrupt law enforcement guys, saving a non-typical damsel in distress, all while reciting Milton's 'Jerusalem' (Bring me by bow of buring gold, bring me my arrows of desire, bring me my spear - oh cloud unfold, bring me my chariot of fire, I will not cease from mental fight, nor will my sword rest in my hand, etc.).
V for Vendetta was good stuff. I never thought of him as a bard, but it certainly fits.
And no, you're not the only comic book fan here. Check this out......
http://www.maxminis.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3366 | |
WotC - making me wish more and more every day for a return to the TSR days. :(
I fought the snark and the snark won. I'm baaaaaaaaaaack!
Some of my favorite Maxminis quotes
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
Could somebody explain Snatch to me? I understand the basics, but not how to enter/use it. - Posted by orcmonk220
G's the man. - Posted By greyhaze on 11/11/2008 8:58 AM
I dont mind butting heads every once in a while. It makes thing interesting. Thats why I'd be heartbroken if Ghendar ever left - Posted By Count Dooku on 04/03/2006 11:58 AM
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Grim
Sergeant
482 Posts
| | 05/17/2005 1:31 PM |
| | Time to wade in on this one. My main problem with the bard is how quickly the effects come into play given that, as written, he performs an inspiring song to motivate his companions. I love the battle cry idea but this is not how things are stated in the class description. A combat round being 6 seconds long doesn't let the bard say much more than, "friends, countrymen, lend me your ears..." and bang all the romans are off and running with bonuses, even the guy right behind the bard in initiative that round. Doesn't work for me. "Remember the Alamo!" works but not half of line one of a battle song. Just my two cents. | |
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