Darastrix Maekrix
dariustad
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Darastrix Maekrix
dariustad
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6322 Posts
| | 07/03/2005 9:17 PM |
| | Amen to needing all the cleric domains in one source. Sorting through a mess of books isn't fun. | |
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Omand
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| | 07/03/2005 9:24 PM |
| Dariustad,
Yeah, I just counted again. I am currently using 5 separate texts for Clerical Domains, but I know that for some time I was using up to 7 texts. I got fed up with all of the cross referencing and dropped a couple of domains where I was only taking one domain from a source.
I figure, however, once Stormwrack releases I will be up to using 6 sources again, as I will want to use a couple of water/sea/ocean domains for my deities.
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Darastrix Maekrix
dariustad
Warlord
6322 Posts
| | 07/03/2005 9:49 PM |
| I know what you mean. I *always* use 4 sources (and often 5). It's annoying when you "know" that one domain is in one book, but you "roll a natural 1 on the knowledge check" and end up having to dig through them all again.
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| | 07/03/2005 11:20 PM |
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| | 07/04/2005 12:33 AM |
| | I've made a reference sheet of all the cleric domains once, back in 3e! [:(] Seems like they enjoy confusing us so we'll buy the compendium. My question is: are they going to include the spells from the WotC website? I've found a few useful spells there I'd like to see in a book, thus making it more likely we'll use it. | |
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Darastrix Maekrix
dariustad
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| | 07/04/2005 12:35 AM |
| | Old spells, "Net" spells, and new spells would all be appreciated in this book. | |
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Omand
Commander
3120 Posts
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
| | 07/04/2005 11:06 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by FeranEldritchKnight
I've made a reference sheet of all the cleric domains once, back in 3e! [:(] Seems like they enjoy confusing us so we'll buy the compendium. My question is: are they going to include the spells from the WotC website? I've found a few useful spells there I'd like to see in a book, thus making it more likely we'll use it.
Yeah, I have seen some of those domain compilations out on the internet. Only problem from my point of view is that they do no (and cannot for legal reasons I am sure) reprint the unique spells for domain spell lists.
I agree about the spells from teh WotC website. I have seen a few interesting ones there that I would love to use in a game. In the past a few have made it into books ( I think), so hopefully the compilations will see a few more in print.
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nyjastul69
Commander
2710 Posts
Rhode Island
| | 07/04/2005 11:15 AM |
| I've already posted this link, but it was prior to the Great Conversion. It's related to the topic at hand, so here it is again.
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Omand
Commander
3120 Posts
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
| | 07/05/2005 10:28 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by nyjastul69
I've already posted this link, but it was prior to the Great Conversion. It's related to the topic at hand, so here it is again.
http://imarvintpa.selfhost.com/dndlive/index.asp
nyjastul69,
Thanks for that.
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Bragi
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105 Posts
| | 07/06/2005 5:54 AM |
| Great link, I have been looking for that for several days.
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Monsoon28
Underboss
2299 Posts
Toronto
| | 07/06/2005 6:58 AM |
| | What I'm hoping for is that the Spell Comp. is for Arcane spells only and that later on a 'Prayers' Comp is released with all domains included in that book. | |
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Omand
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Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
| | 07/06/2005 8:57 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Monsoon28
What I'm hoping for is that the Spell Comp. is for Arcane spells only and that later on a 'Prayers' Comp is released with all domains included in that book.
Monsoon,
I will have to disagree with you on that point. There are so many spells in 3E that appear on multiple class spell lists that I think they have to all appear in the same compendium to work. Otherwise we really would be paying twice for material we already have (OK, we will be anyways with the Compendium as is, but I call that convenience).
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Captain Harlock
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| | 07/07/2005 10:05 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Omand
quote:
Originally posted by Monsoon28
What I'm hoping for is that the Spell Comp. is for Arcane spells only and that later on a 'Prayers' Comp is released with all domains included in that book.
Monsoon,
I will have to disagree with you on that point. There are so many spells in 3E that appear on multiple class spell lists that I think they have to all appear in the same compendium to work. Otherwise we really would be paying twice for material we already have (OK, we will be anyways with the Compendium as is, but I call that convenience).
Cheers [:)]
Well, you just pointed out why WotC will probably do the Arcane and Divine spells as different books. Then again, with D&D 4.0 coming out soon, will it matter much?
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nyjastul69
Commander
2710 Posts
Rhode Island
| | 07/07/2005 10:11 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Captain Harlock:
Then again, with D&D 4.0 coming out soon
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| | 07/07/2005 10:44 AM |
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Omand
Commander
3120 Posts
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
| | 07/07/2005 12:47 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Captain Harlock
Well, you just pointed out why WotC will probably do the Arcane and Divine spells as different books. Then again, with D&D 4.0 coming out soon, will it matter much?
Dan Cooper
Captain Harlock,
Well, maybe, but WotC has generally shown itself to be pretty canny when it comes to marketing. They seem to know (again, in general), how far they can push their consumers to buy stuff. I think they would realize that fragmenting spell collections too much might tip the balance against sales (all based upon my own opinion and no real evidence).
Time will tell, of course, and when more product info comes out I will be in a better position to tell if I am buying the spell compendium or not.
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Omand
Commander
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Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
| | 10/01/2005 7:43 PM |
| Hello,
Just reviving this thread again, now that the product is inching closer to us. Anyone have any new tidbits of information about it?
It is looking to be a huge spell resource, with no spells duplicated from the PHB, but drawn from a bunch of other sources. Still no word if my pet want, Domains, are included or not. I really do hope so.
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MerricB
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2350 Posts
Australia
| | 10/01/2005 8:50 PM |
| 1,000 spells. Includes spells from Dragon, 3e books, 3.5e books and NOT the PHB.
Uses a new spell format.
Although I've no official word, Domains would be included as part of the spell lists.
Revivify (from the MHb) is one of the spells.
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yack
Commander
3198 Posts
Gatineau Canada
| | 10/01/2005 8:51 PM |
| I too am excited about this book...from what I have heard it will contain spells from Dragon/Dungeon mag,the web and other source books so they are all together. As for if there will Divine spells..unsure about that(I hope).
As for the 4th edtiton well the rumour is earliest 2007.[B)]
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Omand
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3120 Posts
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
| | 10/01/2005 9:40 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by MerricB
1,000 spells. Includes spells from Dragon, 3e books, 3.5e books and NOT the PHB.
Uses a new spell format.
Although I've no official word, Domains would be included as part of the spell lists.
Revivify (from the MHb) is one of the spells.
Cheers!
Merric,
Yeah, I knew most of that from other sources, but thanks for stopping by and adding a few new pieces.
One other note, can I please ask everyone to make this a 4E free thread. I am really getting sick of the discussion on that topic even after WotC says there is nothing to the rumour.
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Captain Harlock
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| | 10/02/2005 12:53 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Omand
One other note, can I please ask everyone to make this a 4E free thread. I am really getting sick of the discussion on that topic even after WotC says there is nothing to the rumour.
Cheers [:)]
You can ask, but that does not mean it will happen. And remember, WotC said that 3e was a rumor up until like 3 months before it was published.
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Omand
Commander
3120 Posts
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
| | 10/02/2005 1:53 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Captain Harlock
quote:
Originally posted by Omand
One other note, can I please ask everyone to make this a 4E free thread. I am really getting sick of the discussion on that topic even after WotC says there is nothing to the rumour.
Cheers [:)]
You can ask, but that does not mean it will happen. And remember, WotC said that 3e was a rumor up until like 3 months before it was published.
Now see, that's just not true. It was announced at GenCon 1999 and released at GenCon 2000. Articles appeared in Dragon for 8 months prior to the release offering previews/hints on the system.
Thanks again to Merric for the extra hint about the Spell Compendium.
Revivify is the spell that resurrects someone within one round of them dying, correct?
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Captain Harlock
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| | 10/03/2005 12:05 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Omand
quote:
Originally posted by Captain Harlock
quote:
Originally posted by Omand
One other note, can I please ask everyone to make this a 4E free thread. I am really getting sick of the discussion on that topic even after WotC says there is nothing to the rumour.
Cheers [:)]
You can ask, but that does not mean it will happen. And remember, WotC said that 3e was a rumor up until like 3 months before it was published.
Now see, that's just not true. It was announced at GenCon 1999 and released at GenCon 2000. Articles appeared in Dragon for 8 months prior to the release offering previews/hints on the system.
They still denied its existance for years before that... And with good marketing reasons. After all, who is going to buy their present books if they know a new edition is coming out that will make all those books outdated. They are following the footsteps of Games Workshop.
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Omand
Commander
3120 Posts
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
| | 10/03/2005 4:21 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Captain Harlock
They still denied its existance for years before that... And with good marketing reasons. After all, who is going to buy their present books if they know a new edition is coming out that will make all those books outdated. They are following the footsteps of Games Workshop.
Captain,
We are going to ahev to agree to disagree on this point. Can I please ask that we keep this thread on the topic of discussing the contents of, and hopes for, Spell Compendium Vol. 1
Thanks!
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Can of the Cave Beer
Commander
2838 Posts
| | 10/03/2005 10:48 PM |
| If they're going to go through the bother of listing the spheres, is there any chance that the dieties associated with those spheres would be listed?
I'm particularly interested in a couple dieties, but don't really want to go wading through a ton of books to find them. Whereas having a list right in the book would be very handy. | |
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IMarvinTPA
Skirmisher
1 Posts
| | 10/04/2005 11:42 AM |
| When you say "Spheres" what do you mean?
My site lists all the domains a deity has. And Domains list all the deities that have it.
Does anybody know what the new spell format coming out looks like?
I want to see how much eratta is in the book. I'm looking forward to setting all the page numbers for spells in my database.
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Omand
Commander
3120 Posts
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
| | 10/04/2005 6:54 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by IMarvinTPA
When you say "Spheres" what do you mean?
My site lists all the domains a deity has. And Domains list all the deities that have it.
Does anybody know what the new spell format coming out looks like?
I want to see how much eratta is in the book. I'm looking forward to setting all the page numbers for spells in my database.
IMarv
I am pretty sure that Can of the Cave Beer means domains when he says spheres (a 2E concept I believe that was modified for 3E).
I would certainly be interested in seeing deities listed with domains, but we don't really know if they will even be included yet or not (I hope so).
No clue on the new spell format, except for the fact that it contains "more description" according to reports/previews.
As for errata ...
The Spell Compendium is not supposed to contain any spells from the PHB, so I would expect no errata for that. As for any other spells reproduced, if there are errata, I would hope that would be included.
Are there any particular spells that you are thinking of that would need errata?
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Can of the Cave Beer
Commander
2838 Posts
| | 10/05/2005 12:52 AM |
| Oops. I meant "domains".
And IMarvinTPA that site is VERY handy and has found its way to my bookmarks. I would not have guessed that Laduger was already associated with Protection. Bummer for me. | |
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reezel
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555 Posts
| | 10/05/2005 4:23 PM |
| I can't wait for this book to come out. I think half my library has to come out every game we play and most of that is just for spells. Having all the non-PH ones in one book will be a nice change. Now we just need a book of feats to go along with it. Either that or some reliable electronic DB of all of them.
On the land of errata, anyone know if Summon Undead was ever addressed in any? The cleric in my party casts it all the time, and the Large and Huge Zombies you can summon are just out of control. I wonder if anyone took a good look at this spell after the 3.5 conversion and how Skeletons and Zombie templates changed. Anyone else seen this as a problem? | |
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Omand
Commander
3120 Posts
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
| | 10/05/2005 5:19 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by reezel
I can't wait for this book to come out. I think half my library has to come out every game we play and most of that is just for spells. Having all the non-PH ones in one book will be a nice change. Now we just need a book of feats to go along with it. Either that or some reliable electronic DB of all of them.
On the land of errata, anyone know if Summon Undead was ever addressed in any? The cleric in my party casts it all the time, and the Large and Huge Zombies you can summon are just out of control. I wonder if anyone took a good look at this spell after the 3.5 conversion and how Skeletons and Zombie templates changed. Anyone else seen this as a problem?
Reezel,
At this time the general understanding of the Spell Compendium is that it will NOT include ever single spell published in 3E sources outside of the PHB. If you are expecting that, expect to be disappointed (at least according to previews so far).
In terms of the summon undead spells. This has been noted in the past as an issue. I would hope that errata would be included if they print the spells. We don;t know if those spells will be included or not, however.
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Omand
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Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
| | 10/06/2005 6:27 PM |
| Hello,
If anyone is interested, you can drop the designers of the Spell Compendium questions for the Developer's Spotlight feature at the D&D site. The thread for submitting questions is:
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=513299 | |
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Omand
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Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
| | 10/07/2005 1:01 AM |
| Hello,
We have a little more information on the Spell Compendium in the latest October Previews article:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/iw/20051006a
The text states over 1000 spells in the Compendium.
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reezel
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555 Posts
| | 10/07/2005 11:30 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Omand
At this time the general understanding of the Spell Compendium is that it will NOT include ever single spell published in 3E sources outside of the PHB. If you are expecting that, expect to be disappointed (at least according to previews so far).
Man, I know they're going to have all the spells I need for a given character except for the one I don't remember what book it's in. | |
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PatEllis15
Commander
4462 Posts
| | 10/07/2005 1:21 PM |
| Ya know, the factor that I find most interesting is the "read aloud" text regarding what a spell caster will say, and see.
I find this to be a great part of roleplaying, but something that I don't have the time to go through and write up for the spells I use.
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kniterangr
Warrior
285 Posts
| | 10/07/2005 3:09 PM |
| | I wonder if it was delayed to include items from the Magic of Eberron? | |
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reezel
Sergeant
555 Posts
| | 10/08/2005 1:28 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by reezel
On the land of errata, anyone know if Summon Undead was ever addressed in any? The cleric in my party casts it all the time, and the Large and Huge Zombies you can summon are just out of control. I wonder if anyone took a good look at this spell after the 3.5 conversion and how Skeletons and Zombie templates changed. Anyone else seen this as a problem?
Man, I finally ask it, and a couple days later WotC goes ahead and answers it in Heroes of Horror.
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20051007a&page=5 | |
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Omand
Commander
3120 Posts
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
| | 10/08/2005 5:15 PM |
| So,
More and more information is coming out. Looks like spell descriptions will be more evocative (as mentioned), and the errata in Heroes of Horror bodes well for the Spell Compendium.
As for completeness, well, that remains to be seen.
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MerricB
Underboss
2350 Posts
Australia
| | 10/09/2005 6:43 PM |
| For those who haven't seen it, here's the gamingreport excerpt from GenCon (the D&D RPG seminar) that discusses the Spell Compendium:
http://www.gamingreport.com/article.php?sid=18299
The Spell Compendium - a lot of people have been asking for this on the message boards. This will NOT replace the Player's Handbook section - it does not include the spells from the Player's Handbook. This book pulls the best spells from all the other reference materials including Dragon magazine and our website. 1,000 spells (just WOTC). The spells have gone through our development team and errata to them has been incorporated. All you'll need is your Player's Handbook and your Spell Compendium.
We added a physical description of what you experience when casting the spell: visual, auditory, all the sensory effects of the spell. Like the color text you get in the Monster Manual. It does include the best Eberron and Forgotten Realms spells.
Q: Spell Compendium: Any new spells?
A: They are all complexly (re-worked) collected. You may not recognize some of them (some been re-named).
Q: Can you do the same thing for the Player's Handbook spells online?
A: We've talked about that.
Q: Organization?
A: Alphabetically, there will be indices and spell lists at the back of the book.
Q: Hex blade spells, Wujen spells?
A: Some of that, but some spells we decided to leave out (like Wujen), because we have other things planned for that.
A: Talked to web team about doing spell lists for non-core classes.
Q: Spell Compendium? Comprehensive spell list for classes (including Player's Handbook spells)?
A: It would be something for a website. We'll organize the same way as the Player's Handbook.
Q: Spell Compendium: How choose best spells.
A: A committee of ~20 people. A lot of them read message boards, they are all players and DMs, and sift. And then they had to reach a consensus. There's also a balance issue, we don't need 48 variants of fireball. There were in the development process some spells that weren't worth fixing. We did get 1,000 spells that didn't appear in the Player's Handbook.
Q: Any chance of a Feat compilation book, similar to Spell Compendium
A: It depends how well Spell Compendium is received. Would you like one?
(From floor: yes!)
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Stephen Schubert revealed that both Revivify (MHb) and Fortunate Fate (Magic of Faerun) are in the Spell Compendium.
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/tt/20050809a
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Omand
Commander
3120 Posts
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
| | 10/09/2005 8:17 PM |
| Merric,
Thanks for that information. I had picked most of it up from a variety of other sources, but having it all in one place (and the original source linked) is great.
Cheers [:)] | |
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