The Great
Choco Monster
Ghendar
Warlord
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Mud Lick, Kentucky
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I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
Could somebody explain Snatch to me? I understand the basics, but not how to enter/use it. - Posted by orcmonk220
G's the man. - Posted By greyhaze on 11/11/2008 8:58 AM
I dont mind butting heads every once in a while. It makes thing interesting. Thats why I'd be heartbroken if Ghendar ever left - Posted By Count Dooku on 04/03/2006 11:58 AM
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The Great
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Ghendar
Warlord
13069 Posts
Mud Lick, Kentucky
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Originally posted by Testament
I consider it powergaming when a character is built to exploit rules in an overt manner, such as cherry-picking prestige classes, stacking yourself up with a whole boatload of extra turn attempts to fuel 4 persistent buffs a day (divine metamagic), anything involving Curse of Lycanthropy, or grabbing as many caster level boosts as you can, in order to Word of Faith everything to death. And much of it is in the way someone rp's too.
That sounds reasonable as a definition. I don't hang a negative label on so called power gaming. You play the game the way you want to play the game. If your DM has no problem with it, then run with it.
Plus, speaking strictly as a player here, if the rules allow you to "exploit" the character generation and advancement process then go for it.
I agree with Testament folks. Let's keep this one civil okay? | |
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I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
Could somebody explain Snatch to me? I understand the basics, but not how to enter/use it. - Posted by orcmonk220
G's the man. - Posted By greyhaze on 11/11/2008 8:58 AM
I dont mind butting heads every once in a while. It makes thing interesting. Thats why I'd be heartbroken if Ghendar ever left - Posted By Count Dooku on 04/03/2006 11:58 AM
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glumag
Warlord
5968 Posts
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| Powergaming only happens if the DM allows it, and if that is the case then the argument is over. You do what you can and take what you can get away with.
My group generally believes that third edition made powergaming easier as it lets you tweak characters in depth. Maybe one of the reasons why we haven't fully adapted it. If there are rules to be exploited then the system is what fails.
As a DM I allow munchkinism to a certain degree, the game has to be fun for the players and if they have fun that way then by all means as long as it doesn't ruin the experience and the gaming itself. Everything in moderation. Besides, if they get too powerful there is always harder monsters to bring many ways to subjugate them [}:)] [)]
As a player I approach my PCs from their background and current experiences and think, what did they actually have a chance and time to learn?. Just because they gain a level and now they have a chance to pick this and that doesn't necessarily mean they can, for me.
Bottom line, have fun and make it fun and whatever works in your group and for your DM then go for it...it's a game. | |
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orcdoubleax
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694 Posts
| | 08/04/2005 10:35 AM |
| My biggest weakness as a DM is the desire to force the players into my kind of game. (a low powered & low combat character based game) I consistently have to remind myself to allow the players to play in a stlye so everyone has fun.
That said it is still the DM option to alter the rules in any why that he sees fit. I will alter feats in I fell that they are unbalanced other feats I will completely ban. The same goes for classes, prestige classes, races and equipment.
If you let your players take any feats from any source material in any combination of course you will end up with powerful characters. If this is the stlye of play that the group wants that is fine. The flip side of this is that they will faces foes that have done the exact same thing. | |
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devasque
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874 Posts
| | 08/04/2005 10:52 AM |
| I would agree that the level of 'powergaming' as it were is fairly dependent upon what sort of game the DM and players agree upon and limit themselves to. I've played both spectrums as a DM and a player and had a hoot in both styles.
My only stint when on the DM side of things and I open things up a bit is to warn my players thus; if you can take a feat, learn that spell or gain that ability just remember the NPCs/monsters etc. can as well. That cavet is usually enough to keep things within a realistic, soberness without going "over the top" so to speak. | |
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The Great
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Ghendar
Warlord
13069 Posts
Mud Lick, Kentucky
| | 08/04/2005 10:58 AM |
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Originally posted by glumag
My group generally believes that third edition made powergaming easier as it lets you tweak characters in depth. Maybe one of the reasons why we haven't fully adapted it. If there are rules to be exploited then the system is what fails.
I'm probably putting a big red bullseye on myself, but I agree with this. Thinking back to 1st ED at least, I can't see this level of powergaming/min maxing/munchkinism/call it what you will didn't generally happen did it?
I know 2nd ED had the player's option books which often broke the rules but I stayed away from those books like the plague. | |
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Some of my favorite Maxminis quotes
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
Could somebody explain Snatch to me? I understand the basics, but not how to enter/use it. - Posted by orcmonk220
G's the man. - Posted By greyhaze on 11/11/2008 8:58 AM
I dont mind butting heads every once in a while. It makes thing interesting. Thats why I'd be heartbroken if Ghendar ever left - Posted By Count Dooku on 04/03/2006 11:58 AM
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Malin Lug
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742 Posts
| | 08/04/2005 11:16 AM |
| I have been labeled a power gamer many many times. I do keep it under control, but my characters will be very good at what they do. Most of the GM's have used it to help them out, when debating about whether or not to use something new, they will let me play with it, because if there is a way for it to be broken, I will break it. In the original live action vampire, the storytellers needed a werewolf sept leader who could kill any vampire, they asked me to make one up and play him... alll the vampires were scared sh@#less.
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Kiirnodel
Sergeant
484 Posts
| | 08/04/2005 11:19 AM |
| Whhhooo.
Ok, I had a campaign ruined by powergamers and I'm going to make this short and sweet:
If everyone powergames or min/maxes and the DM does too, there is no real balance issue, but I personally prefer to stray away from that.
I think powergaming is using the rules to your advantage just to get high numbers or whatnot, good feat combos are great! Just not using them to achieve entirely unbalanced poo.
I have no problem with people who like statting out characters for crunch, but if there's no fluff.. (What I had to DM for) It kills it, just kills it.
However, if you have fluff and don't do obscene powergaming, that's fine.
[:)] I think most people partially agree with that.
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glumag
Warlord
5968 Posts
| | 08/04/2005 11:31 AM |
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Originally posted by Ghendar
I know 2nd ED had the player's option books which often broke the rules but I stayed away from those books like the plague.
IMHO they didn't even come close to the level of in-depth tweaking and customizing you can do with 3 and 3.5 editions, but I know what you mean; hell, if you start analyzing everything then you might as well count the wizard's spell compendiums, priest's, etc. Anything beyond the core could be considered but I think it makes the game fun as long as it is moderation and agreed upon all involved in the game. | |
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Originally posted by Ghendar
I know 2nd ED had the player's option books which often broke the rules but I stayed away from those books like the plague.
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Captain Harlock
Sergeant
450 Posts
| | 08/04/2005 1:38 PM |
| Well, with me it is simple
When Powergaming ruins the fun for other players and the GM, then it is bad.
Unfortunately, most powegamers aim for this effect on purpose.
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glumag
Warlord
5968 Posts
| | 08/04/2005 2:25 PM |
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Originally posted by Captain Harlock
Well, with me it is simple
When Powergaming ruins the fun for other players and the GM, then it is bad.
Unfortunately, most powegamers aim for this effect on purpose.
Yup, most do; crazy things like having wishes, deck of many things and dragons companions at early levels [)] [:D] | |
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Malin Lug
Sergeant
742 Posts
| | 08/04/2005 3:35 PM |
| Like I said... I am a powergamer, but there are definite limits. But what I do are always within the limits of the game... no buying wishes or starting a 6th level character with an artifact and a gold dragon cohort. That is absolute crack.
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IanB
Commander
3112 Posts
| | 08/04/2005 6:25 PM |
| | I think a small amount of powergaming is a small price to pay for a system that actually allows a decent level of character customization, personally. I can close or disallow the few bad combos out there easily enough. | |
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MerricB
Underboss
2353 Posts
Australia
| | 08/04/2005 7:40 PM |
| The issue of Powergaming is part of the fact that we all play D&D for different things.
Some people are interested more in the game side of things: defeating monsters effectively, and such like. Others prefer the role-playing challenges. Others are interested in the unfolding storyline, and the list goes on.
It is rare that everyone in the group has the same take on things. Part of the job of the DM is to balance adventures so that everyone gets to indulge in the play style they prefer.
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Ben Webster
Warrior
204 Posts
Brisbane, Australia
| | 08/04/2005 7:57 PM |
| My definations of powergaming, munchkins etc.
Optimizing - Building a character and having certain skills/feats from the PHB that optimise your class is normal. Cleave, Great Cleave, thieves having high Escape Artist and Tumble skills etc Most players would do this as normal.
The line might blur when you take one level of this and a level of that so that you can permantly enlarge yourself to wield your adamitine chain weapon with improved trip and then try and explain this character as some great attempt at roleplaying to your DM.
Munchkin - showing up with your Fire Giant/Pixie/Half Dragon/Spoon, 4th Fighter, 2nd Paladin, 6th Assassin, 12th Demi God and using 7 different non core books, as well as some notes you saw on the internet and using a really great idea you saw in a movie but tweaked it to make it better.
Powergaming - bringing your first level character that with only one non core book and a new class you saw in Dragon. You have over 70 hitpoints and a Diplomacy skill of 32. Then complaing how unfair the DM is that he won't let you explore the broader reaches of your rollplaying when he says he can't use it. Of course your stats are really high, but you were just lucky when your rolled them. Plus your uncle saw the rolls but he's flown back to Brazil.
Rollplaying - deciding to help the woman/man/child who you just found lost in the woods, even though they detect evil and you know it will all end in disaster, But you decide that your character will help because they look like your mother/father/aunty/friend or whatever other reason. But ultimately it will add to the story of your adventure in years to come rather than "The're evil, kill them!"
Though some of my players confuse good roleplaying with "I just rolled a 20, CRIT! I do 72 points of damage. Woo-hoo!"
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Nacre
Sneak
113 Posts
| | 08/04/2005 9:29 PM |
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Originally posted by Testament
I also consider optimisation to be a form of role-playing, its role-playing your character's desire to stay alive!
Ultimately though, this is self defeating unless your DM is using a pre-fab adventure. If you build a highly efficient character the DM will simply ratchet up the challenge ratings. I'm not saying that you shouldn't optimize your character, just that it won't really make your character more survivable. | |
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Kithmaker
Commander
3926 Posts
| | 08/04/2005 9:42 PM |
| I have a fairly simple definition of "power gaming."
If the player's choice for a class, feat, skill, or whatever makes sense for their character in terms of the story, then it's NOT power gaming.
If the player's choices do NOT makes sense in terms of the story, but are simply ways to boost numbers, then it's power gaming. | |
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Slapdragon
Warrior
268 Posts
| | 08/04/2005 9:48 PM |
| | I have noticed Powergaming seems to come mostly from the people trained to RPG by online games. For them, it is the Darwinistic Min/Maxing AND the constant treadmill of levelling that is their only interest. | |
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Kithmaker
Commander
3926 Posts
| | 08/04/2005 9:48 PM |
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Originally posted by Testament
I also consider optimisation to be a form of role-playing, its role-playing your character's desire to stay alive!
I'd argue that any "administrative" actions (managing your character's stats, choosing classes, skills, and/or feats, etc.) is not role-playing at all. That's "roll-playing." Role-playing is when you pretend there is no character sheet or even a gaming table, no numeric representations of hit points or armor class, and so on. | |
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Fry
Underboss
1724 Posts
| | 08/04/2005 10:19 PM |
| | Just so long as there's some attempt at flavor to the character, that's all I ask. When the Dwarven Fighter with the +5/+5 Urgrosh dies, and the replacement character is an Elven Fighter who specializes in Urgrosh, and expects to pick up the weapon of the old guy....things like that bug the heck out of me. | |
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MerricB
Underboss
2353 Posts
Australia
| | 08/04/2005 10:22 PM |
| Obviously you do not use Disintegrate enough.
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Testament
Underboss
1397 Posts
| | 08/04/2005 11:33 PM |
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I'd argue that any "administrative" actions (managing your character's stats, choosing classes, skills, and/or feats, etc.) is not role-playing at all. That's "roll-playing."
I was being flippant. And Kiirnodel, your sig didn't offend me at all, it wasd one of the things that inspired me to make this thread.
Much of my opinion on this matter is coloured by the fact that I'm very much a gamist (G/N/S or Triad model), I look at D&D as a way to have fun with my mates, as a game. Storyline serves as the broader context for the game to me. | |
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3112 Posts
| | 08/04/2005 11:55 PM |
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Sjofn
Sneak
141 Posts
| | 08/05/2005 12:06 AM |
| This is a silly way to answer, but powergaming is one of those things where you can just ... tell.
The only thing that really, truly bugs me about powergamers is when they act like I'm freaking insane for not building my character in the most absolutely obnoxiously min/maxxed way possible. | |
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Malin Lug
Sergeant
742 Posts
| | 08/05/2005 1:52 AM |
| | I am an admitted powergamer... I choose what I want the character to do and they lay out a plan on the best way to get there. But I also try very hard to add alot to the story of the game. We have recently gone through 3 sessions where the only dice rolls were for gather information. The last session did little but to add a stronger bond between the characters, and there was a bit of one upmanship on who gave the best gifts. (While a power gamer, my character has 4 seperate craft skills and proffesion - cooking.) It is possible to be a power gamer and a good roleplayer at the same time. | |
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Kithmaker
Commander
3926 Posts
| | 08/05/2005 1:56 AM |
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Originally posted by Malin Lug
It is possible to be a power gamer and a good roleplayer at the same time.
Possible, yes -- but not for long. Sooner or later (usually sooner, in my experience) there will be a conflict of interest between the power gamer and the role-player in you. And if you're at all serious about the power gaming aspect, it wins out because you can always sacrifice a little role-playing. Sacrificing the power gaming means you won't be as "good." | |
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The Great
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Ghendar
Warlord
13069 Posts
Mud Lick, Kentucky
| | 08/05/2005 7:13 AM |
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Originally posted by MerricB
Part of the job of the DM is to balance adventures so that everyone gets to indulge in the play style they prefer.
Yup and quite a juggling act it can be. | |
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I fought the snark and the snark won. I'm baaaaaaaaaaack!
Some of my favorite Maxminis quotes
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
Could somebody explain Snatch to me? I understand the basics, but not how to enter/use it. - Posted by orcmonk220
G's the man. - Posted By greyhaze on 11/11/2008 8:58 AM
I dont mind butting heads every once in a while. It makes thing interesting. Thats why I'd be heartbroken if Ghendar ever left - Posted By Count Dooku on 04/03/2006 11:58 AM
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The Great
Choco Monster
Ghendar
Warlord
13069 Posts
Mud Lick, Kentucky
| | 08/05/2005 7:17 AM |
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Originally posted by Slapdragon
I have noticed Powergaming seems to come mostly from the people trained to RPG by online games. For them, it is the Darwinistic Min/Maxing AND the constant treadmill of levelling that is their only interest.
Could be, could be. Unfortunately, 3.0/3.5 borrows from video game RPG. Rapid levelling compared to previous editions, feats every few levels, ability points increases, etc | |
WotC - making me wish more and more every day for a return to the TSR days. :(
I fought the snark and the snark won. I'm baaaaaaaaaaack!
Some of my favorite Maxminis quotes
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
Could somebody explain Snatch to me? I understand the basics, but not how to enter/use it. - Posted by orcmonk220
G's the man. - Posted By greyhaze on 11/11/2008 8:58 AM
I dont mind butting heads every once in a while. It makes thing interesting. Thats why I'd be heartbroken if Ghendar ever left - Posted By Count Dooku on 04/03/2006 11:58 AM
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The Great
Choco Monster
Ghendar
Warlord
13069 Posts
Mud Lick, Kentucky
| | 08/05/2005 7:19 AM |
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Originally posted by Malin Lug
I am an admitted powergamer... I choose what I want the character to do and they lay out a plan on the best way to get there.
Yes, but even if a plan is there, powergaming or munchkinism can still happen. You can "plan" to munchkinize your character. | |
WotC - making me wish more and more every day for a return to the TSR days. :(
I fought the snark and the snark won. I'm baaaaaaaaaaack!
Some of my favorite Maxminis quotes
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
Could somebody explain Snatch to me? I understand the basics, but not how to enter/use it. - Posted by orcmonk220
G's the man. - Posted By greyhaze on 11/11/2008 8:58 AM
I dont mind butting heads every once in a while. It makes thing interesting. Thats why I'd be heartbroken if Ghendar ever left - Posted By Count Dooku on 04/03/2006 11:58 AM
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kyrin
Commander
3171 Posts
| | 08/05/2005 11:51 AM |
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Originally posted by Sjofn
This is a silly way to answer, but powergaming is one of those things where you can just ... tell.
The only thing that really, truly bugs me about powergamers is when they act like I'm freaking insane for not building my character in the most absolutely obnoxiously min/maxxed way possible.
Sjofn, you have hit the nail on the head. My players are a mixture of Powergamers, Role-players, and People Who Just Wanna Have Fun On A Wednesday Night And Don't Wanna Think Too Hard About It. The key is that everybody has RESPECT for their fellow players. And they trust ME as a DM to give everybody a little of what they want every session. And they are MATURE enough to realize that it's not all about them.
Respect for each other, trust in the DM, personal maturity. That's the trifecta that lets ALL types of gamer co-exist and have fun.
JIM
aka kyrin
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Nacre
Sneak
113 Posts
| | 08/05/2005 1:45 PM |
| I don't think that powergaming is, in and of itself, an evil. But the players should sit down together and talk about what they want to do with their characters before they show up for the first session. You really need to be careful that there is some semblance of balance in power levels between the characters.
In a game where everyone knows going into the campaign that they are playing in a meatgrinder of an adventure, powergaming is perfectly acceptable. In a campaign where the have a little more of a cushion for poor rolls or mistakes, sub-optimal characters are more attractive. But is should be clear what you are playing before the campaign begins. | |
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kestrel.ca
Underboss
1687 Posts
| | 08/05/2005 8:13 PM |
| As others have said, it depends on the players. With my relatives, we infrequently game, and almost never with the same PC group twice. I'm constantly rolling up new characters, often mid level (6-12). It's really easy to "optimize" these characters, and I like to think that I'm not too bad at it. What it does do, I find, is create fairly one-dimensional/one-trick PCs who are very, very good at a few things, but suffer in a larger variety of encounters.
In our games, since the PC turnover is so high, it's also nice to try different things (like the incredibly broken half-brass golem barbarian). But it all depends on the players (including DM). | |
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Captain Harlock
Sergeant
450 Posts
| | 08/06/2005 3:08 PM |
| Now, of course with what I said, I can also see a problem that creates munchkining/powergaming, especially in the "living" campaigns.
That is, in almost every fight, the opposition is "optimized". That is, they are all build for the combat and as if they had no other life. (As a writer I tend to avoid this, but then again, many of my combats are not challanging, especially to optimizers.)
If players see their opposition as always being optimized, then they are going to optimize themselves.
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6842 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 08/07/2005 12:01 AM |
| My brother-in-law sure seems to fit the bill as a power gamer. It seems that all he cares about is being the most powerful character in the party. He plays a warmage and loves to cast fireball adding 3d6 damage and knocking himself out for 3 rounds and doing 1.5 times damage with whatever it's called ability. The 3 round and 3d6 extra damage come from a Dragonlance feat. We're doing a Dragonlance setting.
Anyway, he is level 7 and was extremely excited to set off a fireball for 72 damage.
If he didn't talk over the DM most of the time and be so boisterous, he might be more tolerable.
I remember that when I talked about the idea of having my Dwarven fighter add a level of paladin (so I could detect evil at will) was being "wasted" because it delayed the next fighter feat I would get by a level and it was less efficient than playing a 100% fighter. I thought it made some sense in our campaign because we had just discovered the gods and our NPC healer (Goldmoon equivalent) destroyed the dragon with the blue crystal staff and became a cleric. | |
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megamadrat
Sneak
126 Posts
| | 08/07/2005 6:27 AM |
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Originally posted by Testament
Using feats effectively, like Druids with Nnatural Spell, or a Leap Attacking + Heedless Assaulting + Power Attacking barbarian (looking at you Megamadrat!) is just effective play AFAIC, and using the feats in the way they were designed. Yet some consider it to be powergaming.
What? So i have a slightly twinky fighter build that i also roleplay to the hilt. Is that so nasty i have to be singled out?
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| | 08/07/2005 9:22 AM |
| | Ispent a lot of time working on my new character a ranger barbaian, trying to mak ehim as effective as possible at smashing things. I also worked a long time on the character side of things, i use a different voice when talking as my pc, he is a fully fleshed out character, who just happens to be good at hitting things. I have always tried for a mix of both powergameing and character building even back in the day of first ed. 18/00 str anyone;). A good Gm will know the signs of a min maxer who just wants to min max and will slap them down hard. It has and always will be up to the gm to limit things from prestiege classes, feats and races. Just because they are there they dont always have to be used. | |
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Malin Lug
Sergeant
742 Posts
| | 08/07/2005 1:17 PM |
| Like I have said earlier in this thread... I am a power gamer and my character will always be very good at what they do, but my current character has spent skill points to have 4 different craft skills and even proffesion cook. I must say that I do a good job of role playing and not just roll playing.
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easytiger1
Warrior
231 Posts
| | 08/07/2005 11:43 PM |
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Leap Attacking + Heedless Assaulting + Power Attacking
Where can heedless assault be found, cause my barbarian wants to power up as well :) | |
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Pale Rider
Underboss
1023 Posts
London, Ontario, Canada
| | 08/08/2005 8:56 AM |
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Originally posted by Kithmaker
Possible, yes -- but not for long. Sooner or later (usually sooner, in my experience) there will be a conflict of interest between the power gamer and the role-player in you. And if you're at all serious about the power gaming aspect, it wins out because you can always sacrifice a little role-playing. Sacrificing the power gaming means you won't be as "good."
Nonsense. You can just as easily switch your wording around and say you can always improve role playing by sacrificing some power gaming. It is really a "nothing statement" that is your opinion, not fact.
Most of the people I've played with 'power game' if that is the term for making effective characters who excel in their chosen niche (more often combat but nearly as often some skill or social facet). It is not a crime nor does it make these players less worthy than someone who goes out of their way to create hamstrung characters to 'enchance' role playing (at least as it is being so narrowly defined in this thread). | |
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