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12/28/2005 9:55 AM  
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I'm in as a maybe, depending on the day/time of the event.


Date/Time have been set: Saturday at 7:30ish

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Let me see if I understand the format.

Bring two boosters with you from the listed sets. And bring a item to be added to the prize pool. From there I get a bit unclear. Is it draft or sealed? In either case do all the boosters get tossed into a pile and have them redistributed amongst the participants?

A $6 dollar participation fee will be required in order for the event to run at WF (does not seem to be an issue for anyone)

Do I have the gist of the event correct and can anyone fill in some of the blanks I missed about format?


Yes: You use your own boosters, but it IS a Draft event. WotC doesn't currently run pure draft events, and it was decided at GenCOn 04, that this would be a great format to us. 99% of people find Draft to be fun and challenging!

As for prizes: Bring WHATEVER! I'll try to find some pictures of the prizes from GenCon 05. They included Books (I grabbed Gary Gygax's "Roleplaying Mastery"!), exotic beer's imported from the north, WotC Repaints, Custom repaints, boosters, tiles, Random rares etc. etc.

The focus is on FUN, not on the prizes, but there is no doubt that the prizes can be great! (The WotC folks kicked in a booster a piece from Harbinger....)


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12/28/2005 4:23 PM  
For now mark me as a maybe. I might need/want to play in the open fiesta slot of Greyhawk.


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12/28/2005 7:28 PM  
Sorry all, I've been enjoying the holiday break.

I'm still in and fne with $6.00. I will attempt to update the list with confirmations tonight or tomorrow.

So Saturday at 7:30.

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12/29/2005 1:16 AM  
Sean and Pat,
Unfortunately, due to the big RPGA event running that slot (the Fiesta Open slot - which is huge), I have a prior commitment. I'll try and bring something cool again to throw in the pot for the folks playing, though.

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12/29/2005 1:37 AM  
BFZ: If you read through, you'll see that we wanted to have the event Friday, as we know that anyone who is at WF for LG is NOT going to be available because of the Open Fiesta. Unfortunatley, because of the nature of the event, we need to run it through official channels, and the only slot they say is available is Saturday night... [:(]

I'll at least looking forward to seeing you at the con!

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12/29/2005 9:59 AM  
Yeah Pat, I saw that in the thread. I will definitely be at the Vintage and Wardrums prerelease tournaments, though. Already got my confirmation for those events!

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12/29/2005 7:58 PM  
The MaxMinis tournament was the highlight of Gen Con Indy for me and it was cool to see everyone at Gen Con So Cal.

Now I'm the one feeling jealous that I can't go. Have fun and send reports and tons of pictures!

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12/30/2005 10:41 AM  
Heh, 2004 WF minis was awesome :-p Weren't too many of us playing and yet they just kept giving us booster after booster in prizes, good times. I suspect this year however there are going to be a lot more people there, cutting into my prescious prescious prize support :-p





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[quote]We're glad to have you aboard again Shoe! I'm also glad that a part of the WotC DDM team will be at WF again. There weren't many attendee's for DDM back in 2004, but those of us who were there (Ghendar, Kiddoc, Striderlotr, myself, and... anyone?!) had a great time talking things up with Rob!

I hope we can get a handle on attendance, as it's pretty clear most people aren't checking the boards right now!


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I remember running into a few of you guys last year at Winter Fantasy, lol, remember a certain annoying battle with my Lich against a swarm of monks in 100 points that had me rather concerned. Still, I need to learn how to put names with faces better.

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12/30/2005 10:46 AM  
That was me that you beat with your Lich, Jason. [:)] I hope to play you again at WF (and give a better account of myself, too)!

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12/30/2005 6:56 PM  
Can someone e-mail me the details for WF? I'm going to be in Arlington, VA as of January 22 and would be interested in participating if possible -- though all of my minis will still be in storage in late February.

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12/30/2005 9:32 PM  
Kith:

You can "read all about it" at http://www.consupport.com/index.asp?Con=39

You should definately plan on coming! The MaxMini's event is a sealed event, and the first Wardrums Prerelease is Saturday as well. You obviously won't need your collection for either one.

Unfortunately Vintage is sold out...

Hope to meet you there!

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12/31/2005 3:13 AM  
yeah Kith try to make it for sure, lots of sealed (league included) so wont need the minis as much!

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12/31/2005 10:44 AM  
Of course, I suck at sealed... [B)]

I'm going to live just a few blocks from there! I looked at the events; how do we sign up for the maxminis event(s)? Which time slot will it be, so we can sign up for other events?

In any case, you can sign me up as a "most likely."

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12/31/2005 12:36 PM  
Well, by saying you want to play in the maxmini's event, your basically "in"! That said, if you read about 2 pages back you'll see that we do indeed have to make this one official and in about 2 weeks time we will have to sign up either on site or ahead of time at the link I posted above.

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01/01/2006 11:14 AM  
After reading through all these posts, again , am I correct in assuming that : Constructed and Vintage will be tiles and 12 minis max, Sealed and League will be map and 8 minis max ? Obviously the Wardrums event will be maps and 8 minis.






















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01/01/2006 9:20 PM  
FYI WArdrums prerelease is now full as well.

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01/01/2006 10:01 PM  
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After reading through all these posts, again , am I correct in assuming that : Constructed and Vintage will be tiles and 12 minis max, Sealed and League will be map and 8 minis max ? Obviously the Wardrums event will be maps and 8 minis.


FYI: This thread is really focused on the MaxMini's Tournament AT Winter Fantasy. You should probably head on over to the tournaments Board.

That said, I don't think they've definatively stated what format any of the tournaments will be. I think there is rampant belief that WotC will provide us with a Map for use with our 2 boosters of Underdark in League play. 8 figures is up in the air. I suspect the rules will have been posted online by the time WF happens, but will they be in force?

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01/02/2006 2:19 PM  
The vintage will likely be 12/tiles ... maps possibly but DEFINITELY 12. Those old sets have a hard enough time hitting their point mark with 12 figures ... dropping to 8 would be a pain.

For the MaxMinis event I'd like to see draft, maps (maybe a particular map?), 8 and 200.

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01/02/2006 4:48 PM  
Put me down as confirmed. $6 - no problem, that is a pitiful amount considering how much I am spending to get there and stay overnight for three nights.

Can we begin discussion on a format? Maps or tiles? Eight or twelve figures? How will we form pods and how do we pair up? I vote for 8 figures and each player brings a map but it doesn't really matter to me.

I vote to leave it unsanctioned so the WoTC guys can join us. There is soemthing really cool when you can say I beat the designer at his own game.

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01/02/2006 5:24 PM  
Well, 8 figures worked well at GenCon, and we'll pretty much ALL bet set for those rules. Maps: Yep, I think so.

Striderlotr and I have been talking a bit about the organization, we will probably have an index card for each player, and we can shuffle them together and take out sets of 4 for pairings, and then organize/keep track of who people have played and results so that we get everyone paired up quickly the next round.

SO:

200 pts
Legal Sets: Archfiends, GoL, DK, Angelfire, Underdark, War Drums (Hey, you never know what Shoe might bring!)
Format: Assault
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Anyone see any need to disagree?

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01/02/2006 6:26 PM  
Anyone like Robdaman's or Budlieser's maps? Our very own MaxMinis map?

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01/02/2006 7:04 PM  
You can add myself and my son to the list. I'm already signed up for an event in this time slot but once this is available I will cancel that event.

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01/02/2006 11:53 PM  
How is draft done in DDM? I've done MtG draft and what you pick is hidden. Is it the same for a DDM draft?

Both me and my son are realy looking forward to Winter Fantasy. I think this will be a yearly event for us.

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01/03/2006 9:22 AM  
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How is draft done in DDM? I've done MtG draft and what you pick is hidden. Is it the same for a DDM draft?

Both me and my son are realy looking forward to Winter Fantasy. I think this will be a yearly event for us.



We draft in pods of 4 normally. One person opens a booster, picks a mini and passes left, that person picks and passes left and then that person picks twice and passes right. So the person that opens the booster gets first pick and last pick from the booster. You then go left and do the same. The 4th person opens both of their boosters in a row and goes back right til the 1st person opens their last booster. In draft unlike sealed it isnt a free for all on aligment, you have to pick an axis- so you can be good, evil, lawful, or chaotic. Its a ton of fun and can be tough. For example I was trying to draft chaotic last year and had a wand expert and some decent stuff, but hadnt pulled a commander, finally I saw an urthok and jumped on it abandoning chaotic for either evil (since I had CE), then about 3 boosters later after Im set in evil and well past getting enough points to do chaotic, a yuan-ti abom gets dumped, there would have been my chaotic commander. So I ended up with a subpar evil band as opposed to a pretty nice chaotic.

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01/03/2006 12:29 PM  
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Anyone like Robdaman's or Budlieser's maps? Our very own MaxMinis map?



Ah! I like this idea. Can you post a link directly to those Maps Chris? The only problem (and it IS significant) is how do we get copies for all to use?

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01/03/2006 2:35 PM  
Copies? Did somebody say copies?

I can print copies of how ever many you want within reason. As long as the map is a PDF I can print it out on our plotter here at the school where I work. I just need to buy a roll of paper which costs me $20 bucks. Any unused paper I give to the teacher to offset the cost of ink. I might be able to laminate them too for free. I can probably do about 20 copies. Just let me know which map and how many.

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01/03/2006 2:52 PM  
I say we design our own map... something wacky. Well, not too wacky, but something definately done in the name of fun. It's a lighthearted, casual event after all. I mean, if people are going to be using Gibbering Mouthers and Fiendish Dire Weasels, the map ought to reflect that spirit. [:p]

Can we design the inside of the skirmish hall? How about a replica map of DDM R&D's new workspace? How about Rob H.'s new backyard?

Or better yet *gasp* an outdoor map. What a concept!

Maybe we should hold a contest or something. Design the map. The more funner, the more better. [:D]

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01/03/2006 3:00 PM  
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Can we design the inside of the skirmish hall?


Hey, this is interesting! I could definatley see the GenCon hall getting converted to a Map. Lots of difficult terrain, the Wotc HQ and WizKids HQ could be Victory Area's, some pits would be along the back where the escalator's are...


Chad: Are your copies in color?

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01/03/2006 10:00 PM  
I'll get Rob and Budlieser to chime in here ...

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01/03/2006 11:34 PM  
Yes they are in color just like the Fane maps I printed for Gen Con Indy. I've never seen robbdaman or bedleiser's maps. Can someone provide a link please. I'd like to do a test print.

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01/04/2006 12:11 AM  
You can find my maps here: http://www.maxminis.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12331

I have several ranging from mildly different types of battle maps like my Icy Chasm to crazy @$$ terrain like the Cursed Swamp. Some of my maps would be very weird to play a real game on though I'd love to see it happen. Any other suggestions are welcome for my creative process in designing a map toward possible use at WF.

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01/04/2006 9:26 AM  
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Yes they are in color just like the Fane maps I printed for Gen Con Indy. I've never seen robbdaman or bedleiser's maps. Can someone provide a link please. I'd like to do a test print.



Chad, that would be great if you could get the maps printed off like that. That would also make a great prize to throw in for your prize support. If people win they get to pick first and if they want the map we played on... very cool!

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01/04/2006 9:39 AM  
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You can find my maps here: http://www.maxminis.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12331

I have several ranging from mildly different types of battle maps like my Icy Chasm to crazy @$$ terrain like the Cursed Swamp. Some of my maps would be very weird to play a real game on though I'd love to see it happen. Any other suggestions are welcome for my creative process in designing a map toward possible use at WF.

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Love the maps! I would have to say that if we cannot make a map of the gmaing hall, I think the icy chasm would be cool with the "Winter" theme for Winterfantasy.

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01/04/2006 9:49 AM  
The maps look really cool! Thanks for doing all that work. My friends and I printed some out. The forgotten Catacomb comes out really dark and isn't a good choice for this tournament.

I think the one with the trees is too confusing rule wise to make this tournament run smoothly. So I would vote against using that one. The Icy Chasm looks really cool but I haven't printed it out yet. It has an interesting idea in that the start areas are on the long sides. The LOS directly across is a concern but might be doable for this tournament as Fireballers will appear at random and aren't as efficient anyway.

Can someone post a link to Budlieser's maps?

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01/04/2006 9:59 AM  
I vote for the Icy Chasm.

A map of the gaming hall is of little appeal to me. It loses the flavor of D&D and makes it feel too modern for my tastes.



I was thinking of what to do with all the maps after I am done. I don't think I'll be able to laminate 20 copies. I could possibly get five of them laminated and throw some of those in to the prize pool. The other non laminated ones I'll just print out on one sheet in color, which still looks nice by the way. I was thinking of selling some of those off at a minimal price ($1 or $2 each) to give to the teacher to pay for the ink.

What do you think?

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01/04/2006 11:43 AM  
Votes and submissions should be made in the thread stickied in the skirmish forum.

I and others can help defray the costs of ink for the teacher(s). That is only fair.

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01/04/2006 12:06 PM  
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Votes and submissions should be made in the thread stickied in the skirmish forum.

I and others can help defray the costs of ink for the teacher(s). That is only fair.



I'd be more than willing to cover a significant amount of the cost of the ink and associated printing. It's the least I could do after proposing such a preposterous predicament. [:D]

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Votes and submissions should be made in the thread stickied in the skirmish forum.

I and others can help defray the costs of ink for the teacher(s). That is only fair.



I'd be more than willing to cover a significant amount of the cost of the ink and associated printing. It's the least I could do after proposing such a preposterous predicament. [:D]



Add me to the list of map printing/laminating reimbursers. Especially if I end up with one at the end of the tournament. [:)]

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quote:
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Votes and submissions should be made in the thread stickied in the skirmish forum.

I and others can help defray the costs of ink for the teacher(s). That is only fair.



I'd be more than willing to cover a significant amount of the cost of the ink and associated printing. It's the least I could do after proposing such a preposterous predicament. [:D]



Include me in paying for some of the ink, a couple of bucks is no problem. And Brian, it would only be a preposterous predicament if we print the maps and no one wants to play on them. So can we get a vote as to the map. So far I've heard a few yeahs for the icy chasm, but he does have several others.

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01/04/2006 6:19 PM  
Well so far it's not official yet but if people really like the Icy Chasm I can sumbit that. The thin ice terrain is easily understood but could use some clarification so it's certain where it is on the map. It's an odd map to play on because first round combat is not uncommon which is great for speed 4 figures but it is also tough to get VPs without a very fast figure. Plus I could make at least two more before the end of this month. I'll have to decide what I prefer for submitting. I can easily lighten the Forgotten Catacomb too. When I printed mine I tweaked the brightness on the printer so it's easier to see. Icy Chasm is very easy to see since it's mostly white. Means less ink used too. [:p] Oh and FYI the tree terrain was Zippy's idea, I just borrowed it from his King of the Hill map. If I knew what the DDM R&D's new workspace looked like I might throw that together. Same with Rob H's backyard. I also have a couple outdoor maps that are partially started. I'll figure it out.

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