Griffonheart
Sneak
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The Bleak and Frozen North
 | | 03/31/2008 8:09 AM |  Alert | | Ah the frantic SM run, I could sure use another crack at Herod. I think I have an actual plan this time. I know that I can take that guy alone, just need to out think him. | |
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jacksonm
Warlord
5560 Posts
River City
| | 03/31/2008 8:11 AM | Alert | Backing off when he does his spinny death spin of deathiness helps.  | | | |
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nork
Sergeant
391 Posts
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Griffonheart
Sneak
103 Posts
The Bleak and Frozen North
| | 03/31/2008 8:23 AM | Alert | | Yeah the backing up thing occured to me about halfway through the fight last time, worked pretty well then. I think it might be the new go to move. That and kick it up berserker fury style. | |
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jacksonm
Warlord
5560 Posts
River City
| | 03/31/2008 8:26 AM | Alert | | Maybe we can turn Nico loose in the graveyard. | | | |
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nork
Sergeant
391 Posts
| | 03/31/2008 9:14 AM | Alert | Posted By jacksonm on 03/31/2008 8:26 AM Maybe we can turn Nico loose in the graveyard.
Doesn't that happen anyway each time I die or something??? 
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jacksonm
Warlord
5560 Posts
River City
| | 03/31/2008 9:52 AM | Alert | Posted By nork on 03/31/2008 9:14 AM Posted By jacksonm on 03/31/2008 8:26 AM Maybe we can turn Nico loose in the graveyard. Doesn't that happen anyway each time I die or something??? 
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Idzy
Commander
3080 Posts
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
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jacksonm
Warlord
5560 Posts
River City
| | 03/31/2008 10:16 AM | Alert | | Since Nico is a Prot pally we're going to have to go about getting him a good shield and onehander someday... | | | |
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Richard II
Commander
3663 Posts
| | 03/31/2008 10:27 AM | Alert | | Or convince him to respec ret. Whichever one is easier. :P | |
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jacksonm
Warlord
5560 Posts
River City
| | 03/31/2008 10:57 AM | Alert | | Getting nim a new mace and shield won't be too hard. He's still using the hammer he picked up in the Deadmines. | | | |
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Richard II
Commander
3663 Posts
| | 03/31/2008 11:00 AM | Alert | | Hasn't he obtained that Verigan's Fist quest two handed mace? | |
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jacksonm
Warlord
5560 Posts
River City
| | 03/31/2008 11:13 AM | Alert | | I don't believe so. Unless someone else in the guild helped him through Shadowfang keep etc... | | | |
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nork
Sergeant
391 Posts
| | 03/31/2008 11:43 AM | Alert | I think I hace gone through Shadow Fang haven't I??? 
I remember thats where I learned the chest and need/greed ettiquette!
I have a 371 or higher i think Armour shield and learnded the skill for maces/swords too
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jacksonm
Warlord
5560 Posts
River City
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Richard II
Commander
3663 Posts
| | 03/31/2008 12:45 PM | Alert | Prot's all well and good, it's what my paladin is gonna be after all, but more survivalbility isn't necessarily the easiest. I know my warrior was a pain in the ass to play until I started dual wielding. Especially for clases that can't heal themselves, killing things faster is generally superiror to outlasting them. That said, paladins can heal themselves, so it's sorta moot. But if he's got points in talents that require shields, we do need to get him a shield.
We should be able to find you something better than a shield with 371 armor for your level. I think my paladin (whos just started using a shield himself) has one that has 361 armor, assuming I won it on the auction house last night. If you're twice my level we can get you a shiny shield from somewhere. maybe SFK, I think that's where rob's paladin got a pretty nice shield one time. Commander's Crest I think it was called. | |
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Richard II
Commander
3663 Posts
| | 03/31/2008 12:51 PM | Alert | Posted By jacksonm on 03/31/2008 12:07 PM
Mike's wise commentary...
I'd probably do this instead.
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/paladin/talents.html?0000000000000000000005304133000000000000000000000000000000000000
I took the five points from improved devotion aura (it really doesn't add that much, and it adds nothing if you use another aura (when do we get the other auras? is there a website that shows spells and what level they're gained?)) and put them into Shield spec and toughness. Course, if we're gonna go all shieldy, he needs a shield.
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jacksonm
Warlord
5560 Posts
River City
| | 03/31/2008 1:12 PM | Alert | An additional 40% on the devotion aura is nothing to sneaze at. I think on my holy Paladin at 66 her's it normaly at 820 armor boost, for Nico it would be 1148.
If that's the aura he's specialized in other pallies can switch to their concentration or ret auras.
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Idzy
Commander
3080 Posts
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
| | 03/31/2008 1:13 PM | Alert | | Speaking of Paladins, I guess a ret pally should probably be using a 2handed weapon since they do more damage, I'll have to see what I can find. | |
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jacksonm
Warlord
5560 Posts
River City
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Richard II
Commander
3663 Posts
| | 03/31/2008 1:43 PM | Alert | Posted By jacksonm on 03/31/2008 1:12 PM
An additional 40% on the devotion aura is nothing to sneaze at. I think on my holy Paladin at 66 her's it normaly at 820 armor boost, for Nico it would be 1148.
If that's the aura he's specialized in other pallies can switch to their concentration or ret auras.
Your build would be a good way to go though.
I'm not sure I quite understand what you said. 820? 1148?
Nevermind, figured out what you were saying. your devotion aura gives 820, with the talent it would add 1148. but that's only 328 extra armor, and I gotta believe you have more than 3280 armor, in which case you, well nico actually, would benefit more from the toughness ability.
I know right now for my paladin his Devotion Aura grants 160 armor (I think). An increase in 40% would push that to 224, or an increase of 64 pts. If I instead put that into toughness (grants 10% more armor from items) as long as my armor is currently 640 or higher I get more from the toughness boost.
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jacksonm
Warlord
5560 Posts
River City
| | 03/31/2008 1:55 PM | Alert | Posted By Richard II on 03/31/2008 1:43 PM Posted By jacksonm on 03/31/2008 1:12 PM
An additional 40% on the devotion aura is nothing to sneaze at. I think on my holy Paladin at 66 her's it normaly at 820 armor boost, for Nico it would be 1148.
If that's the aura he's specialized in other pallies can switch to their concentration or ret auras.
Your build would be a good way to go though. I'm not sure I quite understand what you said. 820? 1148? Nevermind, figured out what you were saying. your devotion aura gives 820, with the talent it would add 1148. but that's only 328 extra armor, and I gotta believe you have more than 3280 armor, in which case you, well nico actually, would benefit more from the toughness ability. I know right now for my paladin his Devotion Aura grants 160 armor (I think). An increase in 40% would push that to 224, or an increase of 64 pts. If I instead put that into toughness (grants 10% more armor from items) as long as my armor is currently 640 or higher I get more from the toughness boost. *still likes talking about things like this*
This one might work actually...
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sZVhtIx0dMgqtVbx
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Richard II
Commander
3663 Posts
| | 03/31/2008 1:57 PM | Alert | Posted By jacksonm on 03/31/2008 1:55 PM
But that extra 40% can make a difference for the other members in the party. Plus I knew Nico already had it chosen.
True, didn't think about that. But then, if the tank is doing good, no one but the tank should be taking damage, so the armor rating of party members would be irrelevent. In a perfect situation of course. | |
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jacksonm
Warlord
5560 Posts
River City
| | 03/31/2008 2:01 PM | Alert | Posted By Richard II on 03/31/2008 1:57 PM Posted By jacksonm on 03/31/2008 1:55 PM
But that extra 40% can make a difference for the other members in the party. Plus I knew Nico already had it chosen.
True, didn't think about that. But then, if the tank is doing good, no one but the tank should be taking damage, so the armor rating of party members would be irrelevent. In a perfect situation of course.
If you were on that Zul'Gurub run Garret talked me in to last night you'd realize how quickly things can go bad.
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jacksonm
Warlord
5560 Posts
River City
| | 03/31/2008 2:02 PM | Alert | | And while we're on this general talent conversation did any of the new Warlocks not spec Demonology? | | | |
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Richard II
Commander
3663 Posts
| | 03/31/2008 2:05 PM | Alert | | I didn't, but then my warlock is a blood elf. | |
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Idzy
Commander
3080 Posts
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
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Griffonheart
Sneak
103 Posts
The Bleak and Frozen North
| | 03/31/2008 4:21 PM | Alert | | I speced Demonology but then again I did it first and so have dibs. lol. I kid of course, since I am not a huge fan of the 'lock anyway if anyone else wants to rock the demon spec I wouldn't even count Bindle. | |
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nork
Sergeant
391 Posts
| | 03/31/2008 11:00 PM | Alert |
Thxs for the clarification - know i understand a little better.
So I have Protection and Holy - which includes Resurrection right???
Time to get that going I think.
And Richard - i have a 700 something shield that I guess I should start using!
I am not yet wise in the ways of WOW speak!
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jacksonm
Warlord
5560 Posts
River City
| | 04/01/2008 5:31 AM | Alert | | All Paladins can rez. | | | |
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Richard II
Commander
3663 Posts
| | 04/01/2008 6:09 AM | Alert | | Ya know, they almost got me with that bard class thingy. | |
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jacksonm
Warlord
5560 Posts
River City
| | 04/01/2008 7:01 AM | Alert | Posted By Richard II on 04/01/2008 6:09 AM
Ya know, they almost got me with that bard class thingy.
They are a tricksy bunch.
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Idzy
Commander
3080 Posts
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
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jacksonm
Warlord
5560 Posts
River City
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nork
Sergeant
391 Posts
| | 04/01/2008 8:49 AM | Alert | Posted By jacksonm on 04/01/2008 5:31 AM
All Paladins can rez. I seem to be unable to take the 1st rank or skill in it.
Both Garret and Richard were saying there is a quest in Elwyn forrest
or something to start me off on rez. Otherwise I think i should just
have the thing already naturally - unless I have missed something as
usual
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Stop monkeying around - thats my job!!! | |
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nork
Sergeant
391 Posts
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jacksonm
Warlord
5560 Posts
River City
| | 04/01/2008 9:36 AM | Alert | Posted By nork on 04/01/2008 8:49 AM Posted By jacksonm on 04/01/2008 5:31 AM
All Paladins can rez. I seem to be unable to take the 1st rank or skill in it. Both Garret and Richard were saying there is a quest in Elwyn forrest or something to start me off on rez. Otherwise I think i should just have the thing already naturally - unless I have missed something as usual 
Read this.
http://thottbot.com/q1646
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Richard II
Commander
3663 Posts
| | 04/01/2008 10:15 AM | Alert | | There is a quest nico. It starts in Ironforge (since we're dwarf paladins). I did it on Sunday, took maybe 20 minutes (a bit of a long run to the place, but once there easy enough). I'll take you through it tomorrow hopefully. | |
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nork
Sergeant
391 Posts
| | 04/01/2008 10:39 AM | Alert | Sounds good! Not even touching work on Wednesday.
So i will be home all day - more WOW time!  | |
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jacksonm
Warlord
5560 Posts
River City
| | 04/01/2008 10:40 AM | Alert | Posted By nork on 04/01/2008 10:39 AM Sounds good! Not even touching work on Wednesday. So i will be home all day - more WOW time! 
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