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12/07/2005 9:22 PM  
I think (imo) he's wrong. If WotC sticks to the release schedule they talked up in the middle of this year, then we should see War Drums release the Friday after Winter Fantasy.

Unless they are going to STOP doing prereleases, so they can make this one event special (that would be REALLY dumb...)it will take place the same day as the prereleases everywhere else.

We need to understand why Ian didn't schedule AAM.

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12/07/2005 11:00 PM  
I'm planning to be there, along with my friend Jason (Millygoat on maxminis.) I'll definitely be in the vintage tournaments and the prerelease. I may play the other events or I may try to get some actual roleplaying in. [:)]

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12/07/2005 11:10 PM  
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I'm planning to be there, along with my friend Jason (Millygoat on maxminis.) I'll definitely be in the vintage tournaments and the prerelease. I may play the other events or I may try to get some actual roleplaying in. [:)]



Ben your lying, you wont get any RPG in just like I wont ;P Good, always look forward to seeing you and Jason again.

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12/08/2005 8:54 AM  
Up dates with the latest list. We are now at 18 players! Not bad for a little event.

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12/08/2005 8:58 AM  
Ok, just an update. I'm going to try and run things a ltittle differently this time around, for everone who remembers the event at GenCon 05. To speed things up I'll bring an index card with everyones name on it and a space to write who you played and win/lose. I'll then be able to do a better good at random sorting inside the brackets and also keep a better eye on Draft groupings.

Anyone want to shoot the guys at WotC an email and see if they want to play this year?

Should we shoot Ian an email and discuss it with him as Winterfantasy is his baby?

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12/08/2005 9:14 AM  
I'll be there the whole four days. The only question is whether I will stay at the hotel on Wed night or arrive on Thursday morning. Does anyone know if they will be at the hotel Wed night for some gaming?

I will play in all five events that are physically possible (naturally I will play in the prerelease rather than the competing constructed).

I am playing in the MaxMini's tournament, and I would like to vote to have it during Sat afternoon (when no other minis are scheduled). But I'll do it whenever.

Like PatEllis, I suspect the WotC poster is wrong. The WF WD prerelease day is almost certainly the day every other store has its prerelease. The one way he might be right is the the WF prerelease starts at 8am, so it may be the first of the day.


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12/08/2005 10:38 AM  
Pat add 2 more, you left off George and Steve from Lord_RAvens post.

So are we planning on this draft being deathknell-underdark only?

PatL, as for Wed, Im not sure yet. Im going to have look at my class schedule, and flights and I wont be able to book mine til early Jan. Id like to make it up wed night, but it depends on when my flight would leave etc. If Jules comes with I dont want her to miss more than the 2 days of work she already will, and I don't want to let me students out of more than one day of class. Im aiming to be there wed night, but we'll see.

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12/08/2005 2:20 PM  
I've added them on.

We should also deside how long we want to run. I think the 3 turns worked well as it was late at night and with a draft. Do we stick to 3 as this is just a fun event?

Does anyone know what boosters they will be bringing?

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12/08/2005 3:05 PM  
I plan to be there all four days and will play in every DDM event I can possibly fit into each day. I vote to hold the maxminis tournament on Saturday afternoon/evening when there is no other DDM event going on. I can bring multiple copies of the Fane map if needed (Just like I did at Gen Con) or any other map that is available as a PDF. I can print them out in one sheet and laminate them too.

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12/08/2005 3:25 PM  
Chad... is there anything he can't do? [:)]

On the topic of scheduling the MaxMinis tournament, I posted in the Tournaments forum that Ian Richards told me the time listing for the Saturday Constructed was a mistake - it should be listed for 2pm (although all the other afternoon events list as 1pm). Maybe Friday night is the best time after all.

Also, Ian indicated that WotC would not necessarily hold up the afternoon event until the morning event was done. He thought the morning event would go until 3-4pm, and that people who were doing lousy in the morning event could bail and play in the afternoon event. I posted a few other tidbits in that forum as well.

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12/08/2005 4:51 PM  
Im thinking ill bring one angelfire and one underdark, just fun sets for draft.

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12/08/2005 5:19 PM  
David Christ, the senior GM for RPGA events at Winter Fantasy 2006, is not wrong about this. The War Drums prerelease event at Winter Fantasy is prior to all other similar events in the world.

This is a truly special event. The other pre-releases will be occurring at the regular scheduled time.

As for the reason why Ian didn't schedule A&A Minis, that because this is primarily a D&D show, secondarily a Star Wars show. It is not an A&A show. We tend to feature brands at shows, not categories.

Hope that helps.

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Originally posted by PatEllis15

I think (imo) he's wrong. If WotC sticks to the release schedule they talked up in the middle of this year, then we should see War Drums release the Friday after Winter Fantasy.

Unless they are going to STOP doing prereleases, so they can make this one event special (that would be REALLY dumb...)it will take place the same day as the prereleases everywhere else.

We need to understand why Ian didn't schedule AAM.

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12/08/2005 5:25 PM  
Here is how the minis schedule works: sign up and registration start at the time given in the Winter Fantasy schedule. Play begins when registration is done and may start a little later to accommodate people coming out of other events.

The 2:00 time is not a mistake, but a rough estimation by Ian on about what time play will begin given registration, and round times for the prerelease event that goes off that morning.

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Chad... is there anything he can't do? [:)]

On the topic of scheduling the MaxMinis tournament, I posted in the Tournaments forum that Ian Richards told me the time listing for the Saturday Constructed was a mistake - it should be listed for 2pm (although all the other afternoon events list as 1pm). Maybe Friday night is the best time after all.

Also, Ian indicated that WotC would not necessarily hold up the afternoon event until the morning event was done. He thought the morning event would go until 3-4pm, and that people who were doing lousy in the morning event could bail and play in the afternoon event. I posted a few other tidbits in that forum as well.

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12/08/2005 5:28 PM  
I'll be there!

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12/08/2005 5:30 PM  
Igrsm, first of all I love you guys for lurking. Your my heros and what makes this game rock. That is great news indeed. I can get two WArdrums prereleases in. I am happy like a kid on a snow day.

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12/08/2005 7:21 PM  
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David Christ, the senior GM for RPGA events at Winter Fantasy 2006, is not wrong about this. The War Drums prerelease event at Winter Fantasy is prior to all other similar events in the world.

This is a truly special event. The other pre-releases will be occurring at the regular scheduled time.

As for the reason why Ian didn't schedule A&A Minis, that because this is primarily a D&D show, secondarily a Star Wars show. It is not an A&A show. We tend to feature brands at shows, not categories.

Hope that helps.

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Stephen: I hope you can reply again:

I fail to see a prerelease event that simply starts a few "hours" earlier that other events to be particularly special. Are you actually saying that the release date for War Drums is being pushed back from what Shoe (or was it Rob?!) had indicated last summer (3 releases a year, released on the first friday of March, July, November). Because if the schedule is stuck to, there aren't any weekends between WF and the release of War Drums.

(I'm assuming that WotC would cancel 30+ prerelease tournaments all together...).

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12/08/2005 7:32 PM  
Well, Deathknell came out at the end of march, maybe they are moving to a later in the month schedule

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12/08/2005 7:41 PM  
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Well, Deathknell came out at the end of march, maybe they are moving to a later in the month schedule


It would be a change in their stated plans, but it is of course possible.

I've started a thread over on the WotC boards to try and get some feedback

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12/08/2005 7:57 PM  
Well Shoe posted 2 min before you, so he might still be lurking and catch it.

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12/08/2005 8:13 PM  
Well without going into the details of the release schedule, and after consulting Ian and others, I can confirm that this will be the first prerelease for War Drums, by more than just a few hours.

This is not due to a drastic change in plan when it comes to release, but rather it’s a function of a hiccup in this year's process. Wait for the other War Drums prerelease announcements and things will make more sense for those of you who impatiently watch the calendar for releases.

You do know that a watched miniature never crits, right. ;-)

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Stephen: I hope you can reply again:

I fail to see a prerelease event that simply starts a few "hours" earlier that other events to be particularly special. Are you actually saying that the release date for War Drums is being pushed back from what Shoe (or was it Rob?!) had indicated last summer (3 releases a year, released on the first friday of March, July, November). Because if the schedule is stuck to, there aren't any weekends between WF and the release of War Drums.

(I'm assuming that WotC would cancel 30+ prerelease tournaments all together...).

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12/08/2005 8:16 PM  
Ah! OK, so looks like a week or 2 delay in the release of War Drums.

I greatly appreciate it when you all (the WotC folk) are so responsive to us crazy for detail gamers!

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12/08/2005 8:37 PM  
Thanks Stephen!
From Shoe as well:
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We had mentioned something along those lines at Gen Con Indy last August. We intend for DDM releases to be every 4 months, and near the beginning of each of those months. The release weekends might not always fall on the first weekend of each month. That's about all I can say about it.

As I understand from my conversations with Organized Play, Winter Fantasy's Wardrums event will be one week before the nationwide prerelease events. Since WF is the last weekend of February, the first weekend of March would be the prerelease, which would indicate that the Wardrums release itself would be after that weekend.


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12/08/2005 8:40 PM  
Stephen also if your there and have the time, come by the Maxminis event and play! Wizards folks are always welcome.

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12/08/2005 10:49 PM  
And one more:
League will be:

Thursday 2 PM - 9 PM
Friday 8 AM - 9 PM
Saturday 8 AM - 9 PM
Sunday 8 AM - 4 PM.

That's a total of 40 hours of DDM League goodness over the four days.

Prizes will be awarded to two people per day:
Total games played.
Highest Total points.

Finally there will be an over all event prize for both
Highest total games played
Highest total points gained.

Points are:
3 points for a win.
1 point for a loss.

Players of each game report it to Minis HQ and the winner rolls two d20s to see what new miniature they win from our prize grid to add to their warband mix choosing either miniature (not both).
The lossing player rolls once and adds that miniature.
These miniatures will all be Underdark.

You join once and play all weekend with no further outlay but get miniatures every game.

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Players can ONLY use the miniatures they get within their sealed packs.
200-point builds with no faction rules as per sealed play.
Maps must be used. No terrain tiles.
There is no set time limit to games. These can take as long as is agreeable between both players.

Think that's it.

see you there.

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12/08/2005 11:18 PM  
Maps!? Hmmm... Cool. Wonder how that will work for casual play. There were a fair number of people who meandered over from the RPGA pen and paper side and did some league. They wouldn't be able to do that so easily...


Pat Lynch: Are you driving? How are you going to transport those maps?!


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12/09/2005 12:47 AM  
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Maps!? Hmmm... Cool. Wonder how that will work for casual play. There were a fair number of people who meandered over from the RPGA pen and paper side and did some league. They wouldn't be able to do that so easily...


Pat Lynch: Are you driving? How are you going to transport those maps?!


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Pat, I'm flying this year. About the maps... okay I'll admit it, I'm a nut[:I]. I have one set of maps that I keep in toploaders, one set of maps that I have folded up in a folder that I bring to the FLGS in case anyone needs one, and one set that I keep in shrink wrap. I'll bring the folder set to WF.

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12/09/2005 10:20 AM  
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Pat, I'm flying this year. About the maps... okay I'll admit it, I'm a nut. I have one set of maps that I keep in toploaders, one set of maps that I have folded up in a folder that I bring to the FLGS in case anyone needs one, and one set that I keep in shrink wrap. I'll bring the folder set to WF.


Heh... I thought those toploaders might present some obstacles at some point!

I don't even have Helpspike prison yet though, so who am I to talk...

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12/09/2005 2:22 PM  
Count me in, if there is still room.

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12/09/2005 2:58 PM  
More from Ian:

I will be there as it's my show.

Anyway we'll have some R&D staff there for you to bug as well as the Brand Manager for D&D Minis. We'll be doing a Brand talk and R&D interaction meeting on the Thursday. To that end allow me to explain our goals as a company for Winter Fantasy.

This IS the D&D show. This is the show where we talk publically about 2006's directions and products for the very first time. We run through what and why with a full Q&A session. We essentially acknowledge you're the most invested fans we have and therefore we want to recognise that by having those announcements and interaction with you first.

Lastly we have enough seating for the expanded events schedule with plans that if it becomes more wildly attended than we expected we can expand further.

The facilities are awesome with direct access to the mall and the hotel is located just 5 - 10 minutes from the airport with a metro stop pretty much next to the hotel. Combine this great location with the attractions that DC offers all located a very short trip around the hotel itself it makes it a great destination for the whole family. What could be better than playing some games, visiting some historical attractions and giving the family a totally cool time?!

I look forward to seeing you all there. Lets just hope that we've no snow this time... but hey it wouldn't be WINTER Fantasy without some cold conditions right?

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12/10/2005 12:13 AM  
Im going to be driving to this if you want me to transport toploaders for you Pat.

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12/10/2005 12:33 AM  
I also am driving and have all my maps laminated + several copies of Fane mounted on foamcore... Plan on having at least one of every mini with me - just in case ;-) (4 tackle boxes)

Haven't decided when I'm driving up - prob Thursday morning... or maybe after work 3pm-ish? Get there around 5pm?

Where are most people staying? The Hyatt was like $159 per night? seems a little drastic? might stay elsewhere - any suggestions...?

Look forward to seeing everyone again!


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12/10/2005 1:17 PM  
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I also am driving and have all my maps laminated + several copies of Fane mounted on foamcore... Plan on having at least one of every mini with me - just in case ;-) (4 tackle boxes)

Haven't decided when I'm driving up - prob Thursday morning... or maybe after work 3pm-ish? Get there around 5pm?

Where are most people staying? The Hyatt was like $159 per night? seems a little drastic? might stay elsewhere - any suggestions...?

Look forward to seeing everyone again!





Im not getting a hotel room til January when I get student loans in. So not sure, but if the hyatt is 159 a night and thats their supposed Winter fantasy discount then im not staying there. Did you say you were going to winter fantasy? supposed to give you a geek rate or something then.

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12/11/2005 3:03 PM  
Its a hotel basically in DC on a convienent metro line and very popular. They are having a reasonably major convention event.. 159$ IS a decent rate for that kind of stuff.

Ask any Vegas hotel what their prices are during Comdex and what they are the days before or after. NoVa isnt a cheap place to visit anymore. Im sure there are cheaper motels farther out.. BTW - avoid the north and East ends of DC if you arent familiar with them. Its not what Id call the safest parts of town (iirc the locales correctly)

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12/12/2005 9:34 AM  
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Its a hotel basically in DC on a convienent metro line and very popular. They are having a reasonably major convention event.. 159$ IS a decent rate for that kind of stuff.

Ask any Vegas hotel what their prices are during Comdex and what they are the days before or after. NoVa isnt a cheap place to visit anymore. Im sure there are cheaper motels farther out.. BTW - avoid the north and East ends of DC if you arent familiar with them. Its not what Id call the safest parts of town (iirc the locales correctly)



That is so true. VA is still cheaper then DC, but it is more then the middle on no-where. As we will be a short drive from DC the prices will be higher then further away. If you don't mind the drive about a half hour away might be cheaper.

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12/12/2005 9:41 AM  
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Well without going into the details of the release schedule, and after consulting Ian and others, I can confirm that this will be the first prerelease for War Drums, by more than just a few hours.

This is not due to a drastic change in plan when it comes to release, but rather it’s a function of a hiccup in this year's process. Wait for the other War Drums prerelease announcements and things will make more sense for those of you who impatiently watch the calendar for releases.

You do know that a watched miniature never crits, right. ;-)

Stephen



Stephen, I don't know how long you have been checking out Maxminis, but this event is a huge success and shows the fan base of the game tremendously! We started the event at Gencon 2004 with about 20 players and maybe 2 WotC guys playing as well. This year at Gencon 2005 we had close to 50 players and 4 or 5 WotC guys came along for the fun. We decided to hold the event again at Winterfantasy 2006 and it looks like we have over 20 players again. The players and communitee love to have any member of the WotC staff come and play, so if you would like please come and play. Let me know if you are planning to, or if you know of any of the other WotC guys that will be there and would like to play. It is a lot of fun and everybody works away with prizes (last years prizes were so numorous that we got to let everyone pick twice).

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12/12/2005 9:48 AM  
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And one more:
League will be:

Rules:
Players can NOT play the same opponent twice running. We're going to force you to make one more friend
Players can ONLY use the miniatures they get within their sealed packs.
200-point builds with no faction rules as per sealed play.
Maps must be used. No terrain tiles.
There is no set time limit to games. These can take as long as is agreeable between both players.



So with the bolded news we can assume that WD will be the starter for league play, maybe even the booster! So if we play in the sealed event and league we could end up with mulitple starters and boosters of WD! Very nice deal!

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12/12/2005 1:29 PM  
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quote:
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Maps must be used. No terrain tiles.



So with the bolded news we can assume that WD will be the starter for league play, maybe even the booster! So if we play in the sealed event and league we could end up with mulitple starters and boosters of WD! Very nice deal!


Hmm, I don't know about that. I think in another thread Ian explicitly said that War Drums would be only handed out in the prerelease. I think it's more likely that they'll just hand out a double-sided map, two underdark boosters, and a token sheet as your league kit.

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12/12/2005 2:56 PM  
Benimoto is correct:

Ian responded to my question on the topic by explicitly stating that there would be no WD product involved in league.

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12/12/2005 4:09 PM  
More information about WF is now on the Wizards site:

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=rpga/conventions/wf

Real quick scan: looks like no real new information, but at least there's more than a date and location now.

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12/12/2005 5:40 PM  
Anyone know what you have to do to reserve your slot in these various events? I've signed up on the convention site, but haven't sent money via paypal yet. How did it work last year?

Sorry to post here, thought people in this thread might be best to answer it.

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