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jacksonm
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River City
 | | 06/17/2007 2:17 PM |
| | A question to throw out to all the SWM and Battleships players. Should we continue with two of each event a month or go with all there SWM formats (100, 150, and 200 points) and one Battleships event per month? | | | |
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The Beer Baron
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| | 06/17/2007 4:41 PM |
| Posted By jacksonm on 06/16/2007 2:48 PM
6 people out for Star Wars today. Would have been 7 but Jay decided not to make it an odd number and left early. Garret, Steve, Andy, Joseph, Bram and myself in attendance.
Steve was the big winner going 3-0. I went 2-1 which is better than I expected.
As for D&D, only 4 people in attendance. Scott, Jeff, Richard, and Tom.
Richard went 3-0. Everyone not in attendance earns a mark of shame, you can trade in 10 marks of shame for a moment of Scott's free time. I'm not giving any of my spare time to people not in attendance. Maybe to those who show up, and more so to people I can best with my substandard warbands, but not those slackers who don't show up ('cuz that's alot of people).
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jacksonm
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5560 Posts
River City
| | 06/17/2007 7:32 PM |
| | Ah yes, but the joke is you have no free time to give. Thus their marks of shame are worthless. | | | |
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nervo
Sneak
56 Posts
Ellice
| | 06/17/2007 7:55 PM |
| If that's your attitude, scorning those that don't show up, instead of figuring out a way to keep them coming in, well I'm really not surprised that attendance is low. The prizes are inconsistent, the judging is inconsistent, and now this attitude? If attendance is poor, it's nobody's fault but your own.
When it became apparent that there were only four people participating, I almost walked away from Saturday's tournament because I knew that the prizes would be nowhere near the vicinity of the $20 in entry fees. So understand this: the next time I am not in attendance will be because the prizes were so cheap the last time. It is not because I am a slacker. It is because there is no guarantee of value for my dollar especially when you factor in things like bus fare or gas money.  I said before that if you were to guarantee value for the dollar, I would put my money where my mouth is and pay in advance for two tournaments a week, but now I'm not so sure that I even want to do that.
Scott, I know that you're running a business, and you are concerned about paying the bills, but I don't believe that you should be running tournaments for a profit while you both judge and compete in them. You should be grateful for the traffic, the fact that we travel long
distances to attend these (non)events and while we're in your store,
sometimes we pick up a booster or two. I spend hundreds of dollars a month on minis. I buy them by the case. When I feel RIPPED-OFF by the prizes at your tournaments, it turns me off of patronizing your store. I leave in a hurry and travel to where I can get a booster for three bucks cheaper. The only reason why I go to tournaments at Gameknight is because it's the only place that runs them, but I plan on changing that in the near future.
According to the WOTC website, all a person needs to do to run a DCI sanctioned tournament is have a DCI membership and the willingness to do it. I already have a couple of possible venues in mind, and I will be speaking to them over the next few weeks. In the meantime, I strongly suggest that you reconsider the prize structure for your tournaments. Until then, see you at league, see you at the prerelease, see you at none of the other tournaments.
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dorge
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| | 06/17/2007 9:56 PM |
| Posted By nervo on 06/17/2007 7:55 PM
If that's your attitude, scorning those that don't show up, instead of figuring out a way to keep them coming in, well I'm really not surprised that attendance is low. The prizes are inconsistent, the judging is inconsistent, and now this attitude? If attendance is poor, it's nobody's fault but your own.
When it became apparent that there were only four people participating, I almost walked away from Saturday's tournament because I knew that the prizes would be nowhere near the vicinity of the $20 in entry fees. So understand this: the next time I am not in attendance will be because the prizes were so cheap the last time. It is not because I am a slacker. It is because there is no guarantee of value for my dollar especially when you factor in things like bus fare or gas money.  I said before that if you were to guarantee value for the dollar, I would put my money where my mouth is and pay in advance for two tournaments a week, but now I'm not so sure that I even want to do that.
Scott, I know that you're running a business, and you are concerned about paying the bills, but I don't believe that you should be running tournaments for a profit while you both judge and compete in them. You should be grateful for the traffic, the fact that we travel long distances to attend these (non)events and while we're in your store, sometimes we pick up a booster or two. I spend hundreds of dollars a month on minis. I buy them by the case. When I feel RIPPED-OFF by the prizes at your tournaments, it turns me off of patronizing your store. I leave in a hurry and travel to where I can get a booster for three bucks cheaper. The only reason why I go to tournaments at Gameknight is because it's the only place that runs them, but I plan on changing that in the near future.
According to the WOTC website, all a person needs to do to run a DCI sanctioned tournament is have a DCI membership and the willingness to do it. I already have a couple of possible venues in mind, and I will be speaking to them over the next few weeks. In the meantime, I strongly suggest that you reconsider the prize structure for your tournaments. Until then, see you at league, see you at the prerelease, see you at none of the other tournaments.
Jeff
Don't you go just to have fun?...or for the prizes...i ussually give up my prizes because i just like playing.
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dorge
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| | 06/17/2007 9:57 PM |
| Posted By jacksonm on 06/17/2007 2:17 PM
A question to throw out to all the SWM and Battleships players. Should we continue with two of each event a month or go with all there SWM formats (100, 150, and 200 points) and one Battleships event per month?
I wouldn't mind more SWM tournaments...i'm not that intrested in the SWBS. | |
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nervo
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Ellice
| | 06/18/2007 1:06 AM |
| | If I didn't have fun I wouldn't play at all, but I already have people to play with. I go to tournaments because I like to compete against a wide variety of players, but when the difference between going 0-3 and 3-0 is one bugbear gang leader repaint or two, it's not worth my time. There's nothing to compete for. Since I don't know if it will be worth my time before I leave, I'll stay at home. I'll still go to the league and the prereleases, because there are guaranteed prizes for these events, but why would I pay $5 just to have fun when I could have fun playing minis for free? | |
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jacksonm
Warlord
5560 Posts
River City
| | 06/18/2007 5:49 AM |
| | Okay.... it was a joke on my part against the people I knew couldn't come out because they had other commitments but I guess it didn't land. I apologize. If I offended Chris Love, Rob, Jay, or Tyler who I all knew weren't going to be there for different reasons and the comment was directed at I apologize again. | | | |
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Idzy
Commander
3082 Posts
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
| | 06/18/2007 6:57 AM |
| Posted By nervo on 06/17/2007 7:55 PM
If that's your attitude, scorning those that don't show up, instead of figuring out a way to keep them coming in, well I'm really not surprised that attendance is low. The prizes are inconsistent, the judging is inconsistent, and now this attitude? If attendance is poor, it's nobody's fault but your own.
When it became apparent that there were only four people participating, I almost walked away from Saturday's tournament because I knew that the prizes would be nowhere near the vicinity of the $20 in entry fees. So understand this: the next time I am not in attendance will be because the prizes were so cheap the last time. It is not because I am a slacker. It is because there is no guarantee of value for my dollar especially when you factor in things like bus fare or gas money.  I said before that if you were to guarantee value for the dollar, I would put my money where my mouth is and pay in advance for two tournaments a week, but now I'm not so sure that I even want to do that.
Scott, I know that you're running a business, and you are concerned about paying the bills, but I don't believe that you should be running tournaments for a profit while you both judge and compete in them. You should be grateful for the traffic, the fact that we travel long distances to attend these (non)events and while we're in your store, sometimes we pick up a booster or two. I spend hundreds of dollars a month on minis. I buy them by the case. When I feel RIPPED-OFF by the prizes at your tournaments, it turns me off of patronizing your store. I leave in a hurry and travel to where I can get a booster for three bucks cheaper. The only reason why I go to tournaments at Gameknight is because it's the only place that runs them, but I plan on changing that in the near future.
According to the WOTC website, all a person needs to do to run a DCI sanctioned tournament is have a DCI membership and the willingness to do it. I already have a couple of possible venues in mind, and I will be speaking to them over the next few weeks. In the meantime, I strongly suggest that you reconsider the prize structure for your tournaments. Until then, see you at league, see you at the prerelease, see you at none of the other tournaments.
Jeff
Whoa there why the scorn for Scott, Mike made the joke? It had an intended target (myself included), not everyone that didn't attend, something that is harder to convey since our group has grown recently.
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nervo
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Ellice
| | 06/18/2007 11:23 AM |
| Mike and Scott were batting that "joke" back and forth, but I really didn't find it funny at all. Scott should be much more careful about how he characterizes his customers on a public forum.
As a consumer, I only need to get that ripped off feeling once before I'll take my business elsewhere. As a businessman Scott needs to understand that.
Scott wrote this:
"I'm not giving any of my spare time to people not in attendance. Maybe to those who show up, and more so to people I can best with my substandard warbands, but not those slackers who don't show up ('cuz that's alot of people)."
Well Scott, I showed up and you beat me with your substandard warband, so take a little bit of your spare time and consider what you have to do to gain my customer loyalty. | |
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dorge
Sergeant
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| | 06/18/2007 12:50 PM |
| Posted By nervo on 06/18/2007 1:06 AM
I'll still go to the league and the prereleases, because there are guaranteed prizes for these events.
You still get repaints at the pre-release if you don't make it to the finale four. | |
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peanut69
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| | 06/18/2007 1:30 PM |
| Hey guys (for those who don't recognize the ID: I am one of the guys from the demo on May 17, and I was out last Thursday)
I am thinking of coming out for Thursday (still not sure if I can, but it looks good). Unfortunately I am still a newbie when it comes to these tournaments. I was wondering if anyone could help with the rules on building a warband for 500 point EPIC sanctioned.
Does this mean that I can only use epic creatures?
Does the 70% rule still apply?
Are there any EPICs that can't be used in sanctioned games (repaints, etc.)?
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jacksonm
Warlord
5560 Posts
River City
| | 06/18/2007 1:49 PM |
| Hey peanut69. Welcome to the boards. 
The rules for Epic Warbands are too different from 200 points or other formats. You can use any mini from a standard DDM set that isn't banned (Drider Sorcerer being the only banned mini). You may not use the Dragons from the Icons line.
There is no 70% rule in Epic games. You may use the 352 point Aspect of Tiamat which is slightly over 70% for instance. The 8 figure limit is still in effect though although warband can be bigger with things such as summoning, minions, and the like.
Repaints including custom repaints you do yourself are perfectly legal so long as it can be recognized as the original figure. All Epic figures released to date are legal for this format.
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nervo
Sneak
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Ellice
| | 06/18/2007 2:13 PM |
| Posted By dorge on 06/18/2007 12:50 PM Posted By nervo on 06/18/2007 1:06 AM
I'll still go to the league and the prereleases, because there are guaranteed prizes for these events.
You still get repaints at the pre-release if you don't make it to the finale four.
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puff_maul
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| | 06/18/2007 5:30 PM |
| Posted By jacksonm on 06/17/2007 2:17 PM
A question to throw out to all the SWM and Battleships players. Should we continue with two of each event a month or go with all there SWM formats (100, 150, and 200 points) and one Battleships event per month?
Yes!!! I for one don't collect Starship Battles, but it is a cool game, and I'd like to play it again if someone will let me use some of their collection...As I stated before, though, Star Wars Minis is my first choice of any minigame, and I want to play against you guys as often as I can. As far as prizes go, I'm fine with the way things are. If I didn't spend my $5 at Gameknight every weekend, I'd probably just be drinking it away anyway (LOL). Seriously though - MORE SWM and maybe SSB once a month is cool with me.
And I am proud that, for the first (and probably the last) time, Star Wars Minis beat out D&D Minis for attendance!!! MWAHH_HAHH_HAH_HAH!!!
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jacksonm
Warlord
5560 Posts
River City
| | 06/18/2007 6:16 PM |
| | SWM does seem to be gaining a little momentum which we can hopefully build upon. I don't want to take away from the Battleships though if people are still having fun with that. I won't be around this Saturday to ask the ships players so someone get their opinion for me. | | | |
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Omand
Commander
3120 Posts
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
| | 06/18/2007 8:21 PM |
| Hey all,
Well, work is finally winding down. I will manage to get out for Epic this Thursday, although not out on Saturday. Then, finally, I get into the league on the following Thursday. After that is the Pre-release.
Hope to see a bunch of you soon.
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nervo
Sneak
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Ellice
| | 06/18/2007 10:09 PM |
| If we are paying a part of our entry fees to help pay the rent/electricity bills at Gameknight, how much do you charge on Wednesday nights where you just play the D&D RPG?
Also, how much do you charge for people to come to an open game night? | |
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Idzy
Commander
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Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
| | 06/19/2007 6:51 AM |
| Well there are no prizes at all for an open game night, or for D&D so there is no charge at all.Â
There was an event last year that was sort of like a open game day  for maxminis and EN-World which had an enty fee of $7 or so and included lunch. | |
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dorge
Sergeant
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| | 06/19/2007 12:16 PM |
| Posted By nervo on 06/18/2007 2:13 PM Posted By dorge on 06/18/2007 12:50 PM Posted By nervo on 06/18/2007 1:06 AM
I'll still go to the league and the prereleases, because there are guaranteed prizes for these events.
You still get repaints at the pre-release if you don't make it to the finale four. The issue is not what you get as a consolation prize, it's what you get for being in first place. I plan to finish in the final four at the pre-release and take home a few extra boosters. If there were no guaranteed prizes, I'd find something else to do.
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nervo
Sneak
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Ellice
| | 06/19/2007 12:59 PM |
| Just throwing this out there back in the rent category to look at it this way. If $1 from each entry fee goes to paying the rent and the rest to prizes lets do a little theoretical math there.
Let's say for the heck of it the average tornament ends up with 10 players meaning 10 dollars in rent money. In an average month there are maybe 9 DDM tournaments so that would be $90 in rent money. Toss in the other Hero Clix, Dreamblade and Star Wars Events and maybe it would be another 30, maybe. So let's say it's $120 for rent each month. I'm pretty sure Scott is paying more than that to rent the basement each month, not to mention you have to factor in for utilities etc....
There is one very key factor that is missing in the equation though, what is the service of running and hosting these events worth? Sure a part of it is just what it takes to promote the business but I would say Game Knight goes a step and more beyond what most places do which is why events are still run there.
4 players = $20, total prizes amount to 5 repaints (the winner gets 2), and four epic cards. Maybe first place gets value for their entry fee if the repaints are sought after uncommons. And what is the total cost of all the prizes? Probably about $9.50. Total prize fund = 47.5% of entry fees. Well, if Scott is renting the basement for DDM and SWM but not D&D... I just have to shake my head. It feels like I'm subsidizing your Wednesday D&D group.
If $1 from every entry fee went into rent, and everybody who showed up for D&D had to pay that $1, and everybody who showed up for open game night had to pay that $1, then I would have no problem with it, as everybody who uses the available space on any given day has to pay the same amount. Last saturday I paid $2.62 for space rental and the service of running the event. Last Wednesday, none of you (except for Scott of course) paid ANYTHING for space rental and the service of running the event.
What is this service worth? It should be free, just like the service of
organizing and hosting a D&D campaign or an open game night. I'm
going run my tournaments for free, and the venue that I choose will
gladly host them in order to get increased traffic in their store.Â
Every dollar of every entry fee will go towards prizes.
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nervo
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Ellice
| | 06/19/2007 1:04 PM |
| Posted By dorge on 06/19/2007 12:16 PM Posted By nervo on 06/18/2007 2:13 PM Posted By dorge on 06/18/2007 12:50 PM Posted By nervo on 06/18/2007 1:06 AM
I'll still go to the league and the prereleases, because there are guaranteed prizes for these events.
You still get repaints at the pre-release if you don't make it to the finale four. The issue is not what you get as a consolation prize, it's what you get for being in first place. I plan to finish in the final four at the pre-release and take home a few extra boosters. If there were no guaranteed prizes, I'd find something else to do. If you get in first place you get a rare witch is worth more than your entry fees.
Richard came in first place on Saturday and got an extra Bugbear Gang Leader repaint. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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dorge
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| | 06/19/2007 1:46 PM |
| Posted By nervo on 06/19/2007 1:04 PM Posted By dorge on 06/19/2007 12:16 PM Posted By nervo on 06/18/2007 2:13 PM Posted By dorge on 06/18/2007 12:50 PM Posted By nervo on 06/18/2007 1:06 AM
I'll still go to the league and the prereleases, because there are guaranteed prizes for these events.
You still get repaints at the pre-release if you don't make it to the finale four. The issue is not what you get as a consolation prize, it's what you get for being in first place. I plan to finish in the final four at the pre-release and take home a few extra boosters. If there were no guaranteed prizes, I'd find something else to do. If you get in first place you get a rare witch is worth more than your entry fees.
Richard came in first place on Saturday and got an extra Bugbear Gang Leader repaint. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Sorry, other than the 4 people tournaments, Richard still got his entry fees back.
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Idzy
Commander
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Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
| | 06/19/2007 2:05 PM |
| Posted By nervo on 06/19/2007 12:59 PM 4 players = $20, total prizes amount to 5 repaints (the winner gets 2), and four epic cards. Maybe first place gets value for their entry fee if the repaints are sought after uncommons. And what is the total cost of all the prizes? Probably about $9.50. Total prize fund = 47.5% of entry fees. Well, if Scott is renting the basement for DDM and SWM but not D&D... I just have to shake my head. It feels like I'm subsidizing your Wednesday D&D group. If $1 from every entry fee went into rent, and everybody who showed up for D&D had to pay that $1, and everybody who showed up for open game night had to pay that $1, then I would have no problem with it, as everybody who uses the available space on any given day has to pay the same amount. Last saturday I paid $2.62 for space rental and the service of running the event. Last Wednesday, none of you (except for Scott of course) paid ANYTHING for space rental and the service of running the event. What is this service worth? It should be free, just like the service of organizing and hosting a D&D campaign or an open game night. I'm going run my tournaments for free, and the venue that I choose will gladly host them in order to get increased traffic in their store. Every dollar of every entry fee will go towards prizes.
Why does hosting a tournament cost money?Â
Well the store supplies laminated maps, Tournament organizers (though often we do have Mike volunteering so Scott can play), there is the cost of the kits, which are ordered before we know what is in them so if they are a stinker then there are lots of cards left over which is wasted money, boosters.
What does it cost the store to host D&D or Boardgames?
Nothing but the cost of the room which goodwill can cover, I would think that D&Ders probably buy more snacks then tournament players do too.
That said I would be willing to throw in a buck a session to play D&D every week if it was asked.
I think that splitting the rather small DDM community between different stores in Winnipeg would be bad for the scene but who knows, it probably reduces the likelyhood that  we will ever see a qualifier though.
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nervo
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Ellice
| | 06/19/2007 3:20 PM |
| Posted By dorge on 06/19/2007 1:46 PM Posted By nervo on 06/19/2007 1:04 PM Posted By dorge on 06/19/2007 12:16 PM Posted By nervo on 06/18/2007 2:13 PM Posted By dorge on 06/18/2007 12:50 PM Posted By nervo on 06/18/2007 1:06 AM
I'll still go to the league and the prereleases, because there are guaranteed prizes for these events.
You still get repaints at the pre-release if you don't make it to the finale four. The issue is not what you get as a consolation prize, it's what you get for being in first place. I plan to finish in the final four at the pre-release and take home a few extra boosters. If there were no guaranteed prizes, I'd find something else to do. If you get in first place you get a rare witch is worth more than your entry fees. Richard came in first place on Saturday and got an extra Bugbear Gang Leader repaint. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Sorry, other than the 4 people tournaments, Richard still got his entry fees back.
Do you mean to say that in addition to his extra bugbear gang leader, he recieved a refund?
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nervo
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Ellice
| | 06/19/2007 3:47 PM |
| The most disappointing thing about this is that I brought this up a couple of months ago and Scott said he'd take another look at the prize support. Since then I have heard nothing from him. I have a hard time believing that Scott is unaware of my more recent complaints.
Scott, your prize support is well below what WOTC recommends. Your boosters are higher priced than any other game or hobby store in town, and your single minis are much higher priced as well.
Scott, it doesn't matter if your buddies don't think so or don't care. I am only one dissatisfied customer whom you refuse to address. I contend that you are ripping people off with the cheap and inconsistent prize support for sanctioned tournaments. I will regard your silence as an assent until I hear otherwise from you. I have decided to not patronize your store any longer, not even for league or the prerelease.
I will come back and check this thread regularly to see if you provide a response to my allegations, but I've pretty much said all that I have to say on the matter. If anyone would like to speak to me directly about this matter, please send me an email. When I start up my tournaments, I will start a new thread in this forum, and of course you will all be welcome to come and participate. Until then, adios.
Jeff
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puff_maul
Sneak
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Winnipeg MB
| | 06/19/2007 5:28 PM |
| I for one am sticking with Game Knight. I don't care exactly how many dollars or cents it costs me, I'm no accountant. I've already stated my own reasons for wanting to cut down on playing DDM on a regular basis, and that's simply because I don't earn enough, or at least am not able to allocate enough dollars to support both DDM and SWM. I refuse to believe that Mr T (hey, can this be his new nickname?) is trying to rip anyone off. He is an honest and competent businessman, and a pleasure to deal with. 'Nuff said. If you disagree, that is your perogative.
I used to play SWM at another store across town, and entry fees were always $6, and, even though almost all of that went to booster drafts, turnouts were poor at best, and there were almost never any prizes from retailer kits available. Maps were never supplied. Those things aside, one thing that Gameknight does better than any other game store in Winnipeg is generate interest. It shouldn't be about how much you spend, or how much you play, or how much you win. Just like your Mom always said: "all that matters is that you had fun." Playing SWM & DDM at GK has always been fun........ok, so I've had my bad days.......ok, a lot of bad days.....but I'm still coming back. I ended up with one Stormtrooper in the last SWM tournament (I already have a few dozen), but I'm happy for the chance to compete for potentially something better.
If you want to blame anyone, blame WotC for creating this whole mess of highly addictive, money-sucking games - don't blame the person who gives you access to it.
And calling down someone on an open forum like that and using their full name is just childish and rude. I think you owe him an apology. | | | |
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nervo
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Ellice
| | 06/19/2007 6:25 PM |
| I edited out Scott's last name, but I'm still waiting for a personal response from him... the response that I've been waiting for for months. When he answers for himself, when he can account for where every dollar of the entry fees go and set up a fair system that is both consistent and transparent, perhaps then I would be willing to apologize. Until then, I will stand by my statement that as a consumer, I feel ripped off by Gameknight.
Rule number one in business, Scott... "The customer is always right." | |
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Ice_Troll98
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In your closet
| | 06/19/2007 6:48 PM |
| I will tell you one of my favorite sayings, that I have told to, and have been told by people many times.
If you don't like how Scott runs HIS store (NOT YOUR'S)
SHUT UP AND GO HOME!
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ShadowLord XT
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Plane of Shadow
| | 06/19/2007 6:53 PM |
| Posted By nervo on 06/19/2007 3:47 PM
...Your boosters are higher priced than any other game or hobby store in town, and your single minis are much higher priced as well...
I know for sure that's a lie.
Last time I was at Galaxy Comics (couple of months ago) their boosters were higher priced and they're good singles were higher priced as well. I doubt they changed too much. They also have few (if any) sales on singles while Gameknight has many.
For prize support Galaxy sucked. You had to come in 1st or 2nd to get anything. If not you left with nothing. There was the odd day where they would hand out retailer kits, but not like gameknight since they got less. It was a way of getting people to come hoping to get some from the next one seeing as they might have missed the last one.
Entry fees were $6 not $5 like at Gameknight.
The way I see it, I like going to Gameknight. It's way better than going back to Galaxy.
I also agree with puff_maul. I think you owe the Baron an apology.
I agree with the thought of the customer is always right, but only to an extent. That thought is making people become a little ignorant nowadays. They want everything poised for them. Put yourself in Scott's positon. If you lowered prices, there would be a point where you wouldn't be making any profit. He's got a family to help feed (a rather big one in my mind). Imagine if your boss said you were going to make X amount of dollars a week and you spent 2X amount of dollars a month. Living paycheck to paycheck I hear sucks alot. And with economic inflamation, he's gotta up his prices or he might not be even breaking even. | |
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dorge
Sergeant
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| | 06/19/2007 7:43 PM |
| Posted By nervo on 06/19/2007 6:25 PM
I edited out Scott's last name, but I'm still waiting for a personal response from him... the response that I've been waiting for for months. When he answers for himself, when he can account for where every dollar of the entry fees go and set up a fair system that is both consistent and transparent, perhaps then I would be willing to apologize. Until then, I will stand by my statement that as a consumer, I feel ripped off by Gameknight.
Rule number one in business, Scott... "The customer is always right."
Os the money situation any of your buisness...i don't think so...and if the costomer is always right then i could say "I want that booster for free." is that fair...No. | |
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Idzy
Commander
3082 Posts
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
| | 06/20/2007 6:36 AM |
| | Kids (I'm incliding my self here), even though his sig says FEED ME, I think its clear its time to no longer Feed the Troll. | |
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The Beer Baron
Underboss
1553 Posts
"Champion of the Centaur Commander. Knight of the Gnoll Druid. Vindicated Champion of the Dragon Wrought Kobold!
| | 06/20/2007 10:43 AM |
| Jeff, I have no idea where all this negativity is coming from. You seem really dissapointed in the prizes, and that seems to be all that matters.Â
You are bashing my prices, but if they offended you, you simply haven't made this known before. I sell my stuff at fair market value. If the guy who sells at the flea market is cheaper, then go there. The internet is cheaper still. Go there then. I never said I was selling any of this stuff at the cheapest prices. I am simply trying to make a living selling them at "fair" prices.
You say I am not reponding. Well I flew out of town for three days. I left Sunday, and got back at midnight last night. I haven't had a chance to respond, and your postings have continued to get nastier and nastier during this time. I have more urgent things to do after being away than sit here responding to your diatribe! Yet here I am.
You say I am not looking at the prize structure. I have print-outs in my working space right now. I have been asking people what they feel the value of the epic cards/repaints are. I am gathering feedback. I am trying to break it down in a formula that makes sense. (Not your formula - just one that is more fair). I could have just changed it to your schedule of prize breakdown the moment you posted it, but that would have only been a rash decision to placate one disgruntled customer. Walmart doessn't do this, so I don't know why you expect me to.
You say I am below what WOTC recommends. You should read the paperwork that comes with the retailer kits to see how prizes should be broken down. They don't recommend handing out boosters at all. Or having a monthly prize, which I added some time ago over concerns that the stuff in the bin was getting repetitive. I do respond, so don't go shooting your mouth off that I don't. I spend lots of time trying to make these events fair, fun and reasonable. I have had it on my "to-do" list for 3 weeks to get the prize structure "written in stone", so I could post it in the store. Then you could argue with the wall for all I care. I am far above what WOTC recommends.
Pre-release fees are $42. I am "allowed" to charge $10 over the cost of the boosters for such an event. WOTC suggests that actually. Two boosters with tax is $36.14. I suppose I could charge $46.14. And then I suppose I could not bother with lunch, since WOTC doesn't recommend it (and you probably wouldn't like my choice of pizzas either). I could skip the free t-shirt (the colour doesn't match your eyes perhaps).
Recently, I have had to let a person on my staff go, and replace him with a new trainee, which takes time to train. I am over-worked, underpaid, understaffed, and now it seems underappreciated. I don't expect you to really give a rats ass about my problems, but just understand that I am doing more than taking your money and laughing about it behind your back.
As to the customer always being right - utter rubbish. It is just a catch-all mantra for the disgruntled customer to throw in the retailers face when they don't get what they want. Some businesses will cave in sometimes. I won't sit here and take abuse from people. I live by the mantra "You can please some of the people all the time, and all the people some of the time, but you can't please all the people all the time."Â
You obviously aren't pleased. Well too bad. I am not giving you free boosters with every game you play. I am not going to sell them for $5 each because some dipwad in Timbuktu is doing it.
So go ahead and run your games elsewhere. Have fun. Maybe I'll take a day off and come enjoy a game where I don't have to answer phones. | |
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The Beer Baron
Underboss
1553 Posts
"Champion of the Centaur Commander. Knight of the Gnoll Druid. Vindicated Champion of the Dragon Wrought Kobold!
| | 06/20/2007 11:09 AM |
| To everybody else,
Happy Wednesday!
I've been away and haven't had a chance to post. But here is this week at a glance:
Underdark single rares on sale at 25% off all week.
Wednesday (today): D&D, still free! A&A minis, usually free.
Thursday: DDM 500 points epic, sanctioned.
Saturday: 10 am, Starships, 300 points. 1:30 pm DDM "Old School" use battle grid maps and tiles with a 12 figure limit.
Oh, and thank you, to all of you who stuck up for me here in my absence. I am trying. I may fail sometimes, but I am trying. I will continue to look at the prize structure/entry fee thing, even though nervo has decided already to not frequent the store anymore. All your concerns are valid, so don't hesitate to take any of them up with me at any point in time. I may not change policy right away, and there is usually a reason for that. But I know the store will not move ahead unless the customers feel they are getting value for the money, find the products they want, are serviced with courtesy and professionalism, and feel comfortable in the environment. So where I have short comings, I will continue to strive to make the store better.
Cheers,
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jacksonm
Warlord
5560 Posts
River City
| | 06/20/2007 11:26 AM |
| Looks like a good week of games ahead at Game Knight as usual. Heck, I'm even going to break my self imposed ban on Epic games since October and come out tomorrow.
I echo Idzy's statements above, the very reason I didn't add to what is very much a one sided problem.
Another question to the Star Wars minis crowd, do you have a preference on formats 100, 150, or 200 in general. If one was to occur every month what would it be? | | | |
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The Beer Baron
Underboss
1553 Posts
"Champion of the Centaur Commander. Knight of the Gnoll Druid. Vindicated Champion of the Dragon Wrought Kobold!
| | 06/20/2007 12:41 PM |
| Re: SWM formats, I've been trying to mix it up a bit. 100 points is fun, but sometimes the game is to fast. 200 points is fun also, but that's a lot of stormtroopers.
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jacksonm
Warlord
5560 Posts
River City
| | 06/20/2007 12:48 PM |
| Yeah, I've notice in the 200 point format with the 20ish activations matches often don't come close to finishing in an hour. Perhaps 150 is the perfect happy medium.
As I mentioned earlier if we do drop a battleships even we could do all three formats of SWM and where there are 5 Saturdays in a month do a second Battleships event. I'd be happy to run one of them to give you a shot at beating Steve's Stormtoopers there Scott. | | | |
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ShadowLord XT
Commander
2646 Posts
Plane of Shadow
| | 06/20/2007 2:58 PM |
| I'm not too keen on 500 point games. I just don't like them.
I'm not sure about Saturday too. | |
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puff_maul
Sneak
165 Posts
Winnipeg MB
| | 06/20/2007 5:01 PM |
| Posted By The Beer Baron on 06/20/2007 12:41 PM
Re: SWM formats, I've been trying to mix it up a bit. 100 points is fun, but sometimes the game is to fast. 200 points is fun also, but that's a lot of stormtroopers.
Well, I certainly enjoy 200 pts the most.....and I was working on a squad with 30 activations.....but I think mixing it up, just like for DDM is a lot of fun.....It really forces you to think out your squad more when you have to change formats every time.
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puff_maul
Sneak
165 Posts
Winnipeg MB
| | 06/20/2007 7:24 PM |
| | BTW, I don't think I'll be down for DDM for a while....too much on my plate at the moment....but I'll definitely show up for the next league session....I'm still gunning for that "best attendance/worst record" consolation prize....the Warden of the Wood shall rise again!!! | | | |
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