Darthrau
Underboss
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 | | 04/04/2005 3:19 PM |  Alert | | recovered topic 1842 | |
Champion of Jarlaxle
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Darthrau
Underboss
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| | 04/04/2005 3:19 PM | Alert | | Can't recall some of those but I will say some people have found some of the scenarios to be unbalanced. The CS one is much better. Heck I buy'em just for the maps and updated/special rules changes. Such as in UM:CS if some one has R2 and is hiding behind a door. Just shoot the door down or blown out the side of the wall. Or the addition of medpacks that can be layed in srategic places and used. They have very good stuff. Also Dooku if you look you now have a AT-ST. Rob said thats it's stats LOL it's just a little flat until August. In CS you get even more statted stuff. | |
Champion of Jarlaxle
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Count Dooku
Commander
4636 Posts
New York
| | 04/04/2005 3:33 PM | Alert | Yeah I heard the arena monsters are a bit flat but are in Clone Strike :)
Id hate to have any mini go unused in the books...now that I didcovered these books I will probably collect my minis around them.
If the most Rebel Troopers used in a particular scenario is 6 then I will want 6, ect ect. | |
Champion of the Skulk
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Fry
Underboss
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| | 04/04/2005 4:31 PM | Alert | | One of the arena battles in clone strike calls for three Picadors, and it is possible you could need oodles of Destroyer Droids for certain scenarios if you roll correctly (reinforcements can show up on certain initiative rolls. Obviously, lots of missions call for specific VRs to be in your force. | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
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New York
| | 04/04/2005 4:35 PM | Alert | Yikes....well destroyers will be in RotS.
But the Picadors is harsh..I saw one scenario that wanted 4 speeder bikes. :( | |
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mordantos
Underboss
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| | 04/04/2005 8:05 PM | Alert | quote:
Originally posted by Count Dooku
..I saw one scenario that wanted 4 speeder bikes. :(
That is why I love the Action fleet Battle Packs (checkout Ebay).
I have a half dozen or so Speeder Bikes (from Pack #1)- You can put a Rebel or a Stormtrooper (from the Dewback in Pack #4) on it as needed, and they are in scale to the WoTC speeder bikes. Heck you can even put on a Tusken Raider (Fringe speeder bike?) from the Bantha (Pack #3).
Plus, putting the AT-ST (from pack #2) on a GW base takes up the right # of squares and will hold me til the Huge set comes out [:)] | | | |
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Fun Guy from Yuggoth
Cthulhufnord
Warlord
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| | 04/04/2005 10:18 PM | Alert | | What scale are the Action fleet Battle Packs? Most of the e-bay pictures are pretty blurry. They do look nice. | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
4636 Posts
New York
| | 04/05/2005 8:35 AM | Alert | Well I calculated what you would need to run the books.
Some of it isnt pretty.
12 Naboo Soldiers
12 Gungan Infantry
over 20 Clone troopers
10 Quarren Mercenaries (to recreate the battle of Mon Calamari in the Clone Wars cartoon)
6 Rebel Commandos
3 Destroyer Droids
3 Picadors on Orrays
I updated my want list but I aint gonna knock myself out trying to get them all.
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Champion of the Skulk
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Sean-Khan
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Count Dooku
Commander
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New York
| | 04/05/2005 8:52 AM | Alert | Yeah and Im all out of Rares and VRs...Oh well.
They also recreate the Mace Windu battle from Clone Wars.....so you need like 25 SUPER BATTLE DROIDS!
Thank the Maker they are common in RotS. When this book was written how were we expected to get over 20 Super Battle Droids? I have opened about 15 boosters and have gotten ZERO Super battle Droids...and there are 2 styles of them.
I now own one from a trade. | |
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Cthulhufnord
Warlord
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| | 04/05/2005 1:03 PM | Alert | I know they are not the Superbattle Droid but I figured this could help you out a bit.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2544&item=5173670318 | |
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Count Dooku
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| | 04/05/2005 1:49 PM | Alert | 7 Bucks for a common battle droid?
What a great deal!! :) | |
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Ewokhunter92
Sneak
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| | 04/05/2005 2:35 PM | Alert | that's $7 for 25 battle droids :) the quantity available is how many lots of 25 he has left.
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Count Dooku
Commander
4636 Posts
New York
| | 04/05/2005 2:43 PM | Alert | | Duh...I should look a little harder....that really is a sweet deal :) | |
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mordantos
Underboss
1210 Posts
| | 04/05/2005 5:26 PM | Alert | quote:
Originally posted by Cthulhufnord
What scale are the Action fleet Battle Packs?
The figures are about 25mm, so smaller than the WOTC scale (~28mm), but the vehicles and creatures look to be spot on. | | | |
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mordantos
Underboss
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| | 04/05/2005 5:41 PM | Alert | quote:
Originally posted by Sean-Khan
"But you can use replacements!" Well, what are the minis there for then?[:D]
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and I have the stat card for a duck, then it is a duck [)]
Use as many of the paticular miniature you have, and use "close" proxies for the rest (say, a Bespin Guard or Alderaan Trooper for any Naboo you are short). As figures are defeated, remove/replace the proxied ones.
And with the "reprint" of droids and troopers, they become significantly easier to field in mass. Course, some of use could even do it before RoTS ΖD] | | | |
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Fun Guy from Yuggoth
Cthulhufnord
Warlord
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| | 04/06/2005 1:14 AM | Alert | I was pretty sure the Wotc stuff comes close to the "true" 25mm, it varies from figure to figure of course. However if you put them near one of the larger 28mm Games Workshop or Reaper Minatures you can see a big difference.
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Originally posted by mordantos
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Originally posted by Cthulhufnord
What scale are the Action fleet Battle Packs?
The figures are about 25mm, so smaller than the WOTC scale (~28mm), but the vehicles and creatures look to be spot on.
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mordantos
Underboss
1210 Posts
| | 04/06/2005 2:33 PM | Alert | quote:
Originally posted by Cthulhufnord
I was pretty sure the Wotc stuff comes close to the "true" 25mm,
No, the WotC figures are bigger than true 25mm. The old WEG Star Wars were true 25mm (and the Action Fleet Battle Pack figs blended nicely with them)- WotC SWM is bigger. I put them at 28mm or what some call 'heroic' 25mm- Big enough not to mix well with true 25mm (putting my SWM Rebel trooper next to my WEG trooper, it looks like father and son). On the SWMB mailing list, most people are moving to the SWM scale or staying with 25mm, but I don't know anyone who is freely mixing them except out of desperation (being short of a particular mini.)
Games Workshop has been moving to 'heroic' 28mm (and raising their prices to match [)])
Yes, there is some scale variation among the Star Wars Miniatures (most notably the big Rebel Pilot, who we think is half-wookie [:p]) but the majority are decidedly larger then true 25mm. | | | |
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Sean-Khan
Commander
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Count Dooku
Commander
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New York
| | 04/20/2005 2:38 PM | Alert | Now that I messed with them I see why some people dont like them.
It recreates battles from the films...and not all of the film battles were even sided.
Theres one battle that has Luke, Obi-Wan, 3PO and R2 verses 6 Tuskens.
Obi-Wan alone can destroy a dozen Tuskens.
Clone Strike's book is more even sided...but sill had one sided conflicts.
I like how the CloneStrike book has battles from the Clone Wars cartoon. | |
Champion of the Skulk
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Sean-Khan
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Count Dooku
Commander
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| | 04/20/2005 3:36 PM | Alert | Im at work so cant check...Im sure there are victoy conditions..but they are still one-sided in favor of who won in the movie.
Can someone with the book on hand shed some light on this? | |
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Sean-Khan
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Fry
Underboss
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| | 04/20/2005 4:42 PM | Alert | SK: in that scenario, it's not totally impossible for the Acolytes to win. If the shooters bunker down on the high platforms (presumably what you're thinking of), IIRC the Acolytes can Force Jump to get up there. Don't have the book on hand so I can't see how lopsided it is, but there you go.
Most of the Clone Strike missions are at least close to balanced on points, if not on effectiveness of units.
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Sean-Khan
Commander
2656 Posts
| | 04/21/2005 12:44 AM | Alert | Um... force jump? How can you use such? Is that available to all the jedi/darksiders in scenarios?
Furthermore, I read first victory conditions wrong, and now didn't remember that, and it made it even worse for separatists. They MUST take Aurra down in order to win! How is that possible?!? And one of the acolytes must survive!
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Defeat the Dark Side Acolytes: If the Fringe player defeats the two Dark Side Acolytes, he wins the scenario.
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Capture the Aqualish Spy: If the Separatist characters defeat Aurra Sing and at least half of the other Fringers, and there is at least one Separatist character adjacent to the Aqualish Spy, the Spy is considered captured.
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Fry
Underboss
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| | 04/21/2005 12:48 PM | Alert | Can you give a link to the scenario in question?
Most of the scenarios in the Clone Strike book list extra force powers that characters get under "special scenario rules". Jedi almost always get Force Jump and Force Push, and sometimes also Force Throw. | |
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Sean-Khan
Commander
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| | 04/22/2005 1:54 PM | Alert | That scenario is here:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=swminis/article/showdown
I got my my copu of UM:CS today. I don't know if I would have liked RS version more, after all... But I had eaten something inappropriate and my stomach hurt, so I didn't want to think of it too much.
The first impression is a little disappointing. The book isn't very thick and has soft cover. I hope it gets better when I get to test scenarios... It's cost was high, 30 Euros, which was dropped to 25,5E (~$33) because I bought 3 Death Knell cases for me and my friends and the sum was over 400E. There was also Clone Strike boosters that were something like 16 Euros per box (no thanks) but death knell's price was 10E/box, that's 8,5 after reductions! Very reasonable, maybe the costs of SWM will drop too! | |
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Cthulhufnord
Warlord
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| | 04/22/2005 2:26 PM | Alert | | Seems balanced points wise, a number of the models I'd never use myself. That and sing is a scary little combat monster. At least the points match up.[xx(] | |
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Fry
Underboss
1724 Posts
| | 04/22/2005 3:42 PM | Alert | Note that nowhere is it written that scenarios must be equally winnable by either team. [:P]
That does look like one of the "broken" scenarios to me, though. As it's written, the separatists (acolytes and friends) can't kill the spy or both sides lose. That means the separatists have only three rounds to kill Aurra and get the spy captured, since that's how long it will take the spy to get to the speeder.
As far as getting Aurra killed...I would try to blow away her backup, then use the "walk the plank" rule to feed her to the sarlacc if she got anywhere near it. It would definitely be hard. | |
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Sean-Khan
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Count Dooku
Commander
4636 Posts
New York
| | 04/29/2005 8:39 AM | Alert | quote:
Oh, now I see it... How so many people have ruined their UM-book maps. It's not as tough paper as starter-maps, and it's folded so it almost automatically begins to get torn. I used my fingers to try to pull it out very evenly, and still I got one-centimeter cut to two edges... Luckily, not worse. I can imagine how people not aware of this can tear their whole map easily
I ripped my map to pieces trying to get it out. It was glued shut so it couldnt unfold!
I emailed WotC and they mailed me a really nice already removed from the book perfectly replacement :)
Now all they need to do is mail me my relpacement AT-TE that had no driver sitting on it. | |
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Sean-Khan
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mordantos
Underboss
1210 Posts
| | 04/29/2005 1:53 PM | Alert | quote:
Originally posted by Count Dooku
I ripped my map to pieces trying to get it out. It was glued shut so it couldnt unfold!
I emailed WotC and they mailed me a really nice already removed from the book perfectly replacement :)
Now all they need to do is mail me my relpacement AT-TE that had no driver sitting on it.
Yep, had to get a glued UM:RS map replacement too, and it went smoothly. Was real careful with the UM:CS map.
And I am also waiting for some defective DDM/SWM figures to be returned- First time I have had to do it with WotC (I am an "old hand" at doing it with Wizkids [)]) | | | |
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Mushroom King
Thor
Underboss
1938 Posts
| | 09/20/2005 6:41 PM | Alert | So, Which is the better book???
How about the new Sith one???
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mordantos
Underboss
1210 Posts
| | 09/20/2005 8:38 PM | Alert | quote:
Originally posted by Thor
So, Which is the better book???
Depends. Which is you favorite Era? Which one is on sale?
I originally got them primarily for the maps. Now that WotC is redoing the maps and putting them in the Retailer Kits... eh, I would still get them but only at a deep discount (or wholesale [:D]) | | | |
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Wakalimasu
Sergeant
735 Posts
Calgary
| | 09/21/2005 12:33 AM | Alert | i wnated to pick one of thsoe book up once ig et some money.. :D
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Fun Guy from Yuggoth
Cthulhufnord
Warlord
10174 Posts
Umass Amherst Baby!
| | 09/21/2005 11:59 AM | Alert | | I liked the Arena map for using the Huge minis. | |
Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.
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