wicked cool
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 | | 02/01/2006 3:41 PM |
| 1.when fighting mace his face changes. my theory was he always looked like this and the darkside changed his looks not his fight with mace. 2.Also how did he weaken/block the force against the jedi?
ok 2 more questions
3. the clone troopers were created by syra dious(spelling). What happened to him and why didnt obi know who he was
4. with the knowledge that the stormtroopers all look alike how many characters/books/ideas were destroyedin in the existing expanded univers. | |
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oldben1
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| | 02/01/2006 5:40 PM |
| I thought his face changed because the evil presence corrupted his body. This was how it was explained in the Dark Empire comics put out by Darkhorse. The expenditure of force disintegrated his body. I didn't like that his face changed. I thought it looked and felt pretty weak.
I'm not sure how he blocked the Jedi from figuring out who he was. The strange thing about Jedis is that they seem to be able to see the future when it is convienient, and all of a sudden the future becomes cloudy. I guess it works well as a plot element. | |
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| | 02/01/2006 5:49 PM |
| 1) Palpatine is originaly from Naboo is he not? I'd say he is human.. he might carry within him the bloodline of Darth Bane(maybe). I'd say his transformation while fighting Mace Windu was Sidious no longer holding his physical corruption at bay. He just didn't have the will to do that and use the Force Lighting at the same time.
2) Likely some sort of powerfull Sith power he was using. Maybe his disguise was a side-effect or a pre-requisite to blocking the Jedi's foresight.
3) Yeah, he's dead. I'm pretty sure Dooku had a hand in that. In the comics General Grevious is infused with his blood to make him Force Sensitive enough to use the Lightsabers properly.
4) Um.. not sure what you mean here. Are we talking about book burning, or some EU no longer being part of the continutiy?
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Originally posted by wicked cool
1.when fighting mace his face changes. my theory was he always looked like this and the darkside changed his looks not his fight with mace. 2.Also how did he weaken/block the force against the jedi?
ok 2 more questions
3. the clone troopers were created by syra dious(spelling). What happened to him and why didnt obi know who he was
4. with the knowledge that the stormtroopers all look alike how many characters/books/ideas were destroyedin in the existing expanded univers.
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boba_fouts
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| | 02/01/2006 6:09 PM |
| | 4. I believe he is referring to clone trooper becoming stormtroopers. I don't think that affected anything. Who said that people who weren't clones of Jango Fett couldn't join the Imperial Navy and become a stormtrooper? | |
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Luisjoey
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| | 02/01/2006 8:48 PM |
| Imagine that you stick a nail in a electric plug and stay there for a while, the power will let your face like palpatine; maybe he uses great part of his life scence to power up the thunder against mace window because he stoped the lightsaber of a strong man in high position, he needed all the power possible. Remember that dark side corrupts de body and leave marks (as decay like necromancers) look at revan face to see what i´m telling or any sith that have pale aspect if he is good enough in the force.
About clone troopers to stormtrooper, is obvious that many (for not telling ALL) become stormtrooper because they are genetically attached to the Republic that become empire, stormtrooper have a strong training and better suits than in the clone era (at least cheaper) but for the Empire era not all stormtroopers were clones from jango fett, there were lot of common people that join the academy and were assigned as stormtrooper, if they prove they were useful then become upgraded to officers or other task, many systems were very loyal to the empire and their people owes lots of thing so they defend the empire, THE VAST EMPIRE, filled with lots of rebellions! | |
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| | 02/02/2006 12:48 PM |
| They mention it in a number of places that since Jango died, and they need more Stormtroopers to maintain the Empire than they ever needed Clonetrooper to fight the Clone Wars that two things are done. One new clones from are made from a different template multiple templates in fact, and active recruitment first takes place to fill in the ranks of the imperial Army and Navy, some of them fill in the ranks of Stromtroopers, and good ones are selected as templates. Later conscription (forced service) is put into place to get even more personal.
The whole thing about luke wanting to go the acedemy in ANH is part of that. The Palpy "Imperlizes" all regional flight schools/flight acdemies into Imperial Naval Acedimies to supply the need for officers and crew for the new Impartor class (ISD's) that are being made. | |
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wicked cool
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2017 Posts
| | 02/02/2006 1:08 PM |
| | hopefully they cover this in the tv series. i figured the clones are the reason why there are no non-humans in the imperial army | |
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Count Dooku
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| | 02/02/2006 5:37 PM |
| OK here comes the Star Wars Nerd!!!
1)Yes Palpatine is human. The Dark Side has the power to phisically change your appearance. Anakins eyes turning yellow and red as he is killing the Sepratist leaders if proof of this. The lightning is made of pure darkside energy. When it was turned back on itself it was an overload of darkside corruption that just phisically manifested itself in palpatine. This also explains why it didnt disfigure Luke. Luke wasnt channeling the darkside..he was just being harmed by it.
2) Im unsure. My personal theroy is that Darth Sideous is incredibly powerful. More powerful than any sith ever was. Thats why after a millenia the sith finally felt ready to take on the jedi. Sideous found a dark side power to mask himself from the jedi. They could not sence the dark side of the force in him. Because it was so strong perhaps it was dulling the jedis senses in general.
3) Master Syfa Dias sensed and forsaw that there were dark times in store for the galaxy. His best frind Master Dooku was already secretly serving Palpatine. Dooku convinced Sypha Dias to order an army to protect the Republic. The Jedi counsel would never aprove so the 2 jedi set out in secret. Syfa Dias went to Kamino and spoke with Lama Su and ordered the clone army. Master Dooku (under the name of Darth Tyranus) went to the moons of Bogden and hired Jango Fett to be the host for the clone army. Once this was done Dooku and Syfa erased all recods of Kamino even existing from the jedi archives. Dooku then betrayed Syfa and killed him. A few months later Dooku publicly announced that the Republic was corrupt and a new government should be formed. He left the Jedi Order and formed the Confederacy of Independant Systems (aka the Sepratists). Certain Comic books speculate the Syfa didnt die but instead was Dooku's Prisoner kept in a stasis chamber.
4) The revalation that Stormtroopers were originally clones of Jango Fett ruined none of the cannon. After Palpatine declared himself Emperor he secretly started to worry that others would create a clone army to rise up against him. So he slowly started to shut down all cloning facilites across the galaxy...eventually making it illeagal and banned altogether. Palpatine started to replace clones with standard humans signing up to fight in the military. They are actually cheaper than clones or droids. You dont have to pay to have them made..You just use voluntiers or press beings into service. By the time of RotJ there werent many clones left in the Empire.
For proof of this I pont out the DVDs of the Trilogy. Tsemura Morrison played Jango Fett. In the DVD of ESB he dubbed over Boba Fett's lines because Fett is a clone of Jango so should have the same voice. If Stormtroopers were still clones why didnt George Lucas have Morrison dub the Stormtrooper voices as well? That also expalins why Stormtroopers are different heights in the classic trilogy.
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Luisjoey
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1703 Posts
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| | 02/02/2006 6:11 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Count Dooku
2) Im unsure. My personal theroy is that Darth Sideous is incredibly powerful. More powerful than any sith ever was. Thats why after a millenia the sith finally felt ready to take on the jedi. Sideous found a dark side power to mask himself from the jedi. They could not sence the dark side of the force in him. Because it was so strong perhaps it was dulling the jedis senses in general.
I think this ability is called FORCE STEALTH with palpy was very skilled in his use.
Palpatine was more of the last tradition of the sith, he was a trayan sith lord, that were based more in intrigue and cunningness than in be strong and direct struggle, As Trayan kind palpatine used his fellow aprentices as weapons for his cause. In that matter palpatine was not a clasic sith he had he´s own style far away from sith golden age standars. | |
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| | 02/03/2006 2:42 AM |
| | The Clone Troopers also aged at twice the normal rate as well. i would make sense that the Emperor would eventually make plans to replace them with regular human recuits. | |
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Luisjoey
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| | 02/06/2006 12:31 AM |
| | Clone troopers are pretty expensive that stormies... | |
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Darth Crush
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| | 05/03/2006 4:23 PM |
| come on count dooku i was about to put in that the clones were replaced by stormtroopers
In the battle of kamino, all the ARC troopers were activated to defend the city. The kaminoans didn't want to live in the empire and was going to create a clone army to fight the empire. Palpatine stoped the process. He had Boba fett and the 501st legion stop the uprising.The 501st legion was known as vader's fist and consisted of elite clone troopers.Those were the troopers that vader led against the jedi temple. Some fought at the battle of endor and hoth and was known at the end of the war as Death Squadron.
Sifo dyas was killed, dooku didn't hold him prisoner he killed Sifo Dyas. Dooku then had Jango be the source of DNA for the clones and had him watch over them.[:p]
I dont know about why palpatine's face changes or how he could hide himself but if I guessed i would go with Count Dooku's theory. | |
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forkedmoon
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| | 05/07/2006 10:26 AM |
| | When determining the validity of all the theories I know the movies would be the first source of definiitve information, what other sources are consider "gospel" when it comes to star wars lore? | |
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Darth Crush
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| | 05/07/2006 7:41 PM |
| | i get most of mine from wiki and tidbits from just random articles i read | |
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mordantos
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| | 05/08/2006 3:03 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by forkedmoon
other sources are consider "gospel" when it comes to star wars lore?
The term you are looking for is CANON, and outside the movies nothing is canon and can be retconned at any time.
Some would argue that even the movies aren't canon as they get changed (Han shot first, then he didn't, now he does again) and contradict themselves (Original Trilogy vs Prequels).
Personally, I say go with what ever makes the most sense for you. In "my" Star Wars, Rebellion Era Stormtroopers are not clones and the control of the force is not based on a bacteria (I refuse to say the forbidden word).
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zenthrus
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| | 05/09/2006 6:10 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Count Dooku
4) That also expalins why Stormtroopers are different heights in the classic trilogy.
Why, then, does Leia make the comment about Luke being "a little short for a stormtrooper"[?]
Wouldn't that suggest that stormtroopers have a regulated height (easy to control via cloning)?
Or are tall guys just signed up as grunts while short guys get to fly Tie-fighters and command Star Destroyers (all so Darth Vader feels taller)?
Your spot on for points 1-3, though, Count [^] | |
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| | 05/10/2006 2:29 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by zenthrus
quote:
Originally posted by Count Dooku
4) That also expalins why Stormtroopers are different heights in the classic trilogy.
Why, then, does Leia make the comment about Luke being "a little short for a stormtrooper"[?]
Wouldn't that suggest that stormtroopers have a regulated height (easy to control via cloning)?
No more than police and fire departments in the US have a minimum height requirement for joining. To be a stormtrooper probably simply requires a certain height, gun skill (or lack there of by the way they shoot), etc. | |
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Darth Crush
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| | 05/10/2006 9:57 PM |
| | the empire probably didn't care if you had any gun skill, they probably just wanted as many recruits as possible[xx(] | |
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| | 05/11/2006 5:27 AM |
| | I thought the explaination for "stormtrooper shooting" in Ep IV was that they were under orders to let the Rebels escape so they could track them down. The Stormtroopers seemed pretty acurate when they were capturing Leia and Invading the Hoth base. It's realy only the bit on the Death Star and later against the Ewoks that their prowess suffers. | |
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Darth Crush
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| | 05/11/2006 7:54 PM |
| | i dont think the empire would want the rebels to be able to just flee like that.In episode V, it looked like the empire wanted to kill the rebels.(when han went through the asteroid field). I think the stormtroopers were either overwhelmed or just had a bad shooting day![:(] | |
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