Ghost
Skirmisher
19 Posts
    
 | | 05/11/2006 8:56 PM |
| New preview up.
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=starwars/article/CotFPreview3
New non-unique republic jedi and a kashyyyk trooper.
I like the trooper. The Jedi weapon master is a perfect example of power creep. More powerful than all the old non-unique jedi/dark siders. Same cost as Quinlan Vos but much better. | |
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Fun Guy from Yuggoth
Cthulhufnord
Warlord
10855 Posts
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| | 05/12/2006 3:52 AM |
| | I wouldn't call it power creep realy, it's been stated (somwhere) that the Force Users in RS were overcosted and underpowered. The Weapon Master looks to be better than even CS pieces like Assaj Ventress, however he does lack her rather powerfull CFX as well. | |
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Villiam
Sneak
55 Posts
| | 05/12/2006 6:25 AM |
| I agree with Cthulhufnord. While I dont think they are power creep either, I think they are aggressively costed. If the new Luke for the Rebels is close to this, Iwill be one happy camper.
The Republic is, obviously, a Jedi and force heavy faction. The designers have said that things are costed a little different based on what faction they are in. This figure with the same stats and called Rebel Jedi, or Seperatist Dark Jedi would probably cost more. | |
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boba_fouts
Sneak
99 Posts
| | 05/12/2006 11:12 AM |
| | Until something replaces Aurra Sing, I'd say that there is no power creep. | |
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Ghost
Skirmisher
19 Posts
| | 05/12/2006 12:34 PM |
| Oh I still think Sing was overpowered by a good bit. Mainly she just had too much health for her cost and damage output. While RS did have slightly underpowered melee figures CS was pretty well ballanced as quite a number of the melee figures in there were widely used, such as Yoda, Mace, Maul and Dooku. All well costed and useful figures.
The Weapon master (I think) is powercreep because if you compare it to other figures of the same faction and cost it is a good deal better.
Quinlan Vos is the perfect example because they are the same cost and fill the same role for the republic, that of a cheap double attacking beater, but the weapon master is far better.
Quilan has 10 more health and one higher attack. While the weapon master has one higher defence, lightsaber duelist, lightsaber assault, block, deflect and ripost on top of sweep which is Quinlan's only force power and he can also benefit from CE that require non-uniques. Additionally the weapon master doesn't have the disadvantages of having impulsive savagery and of being a unique which Quinlan has.
I thought Quinlan was always a decent figure who did see some use but he's now completely outclassed. I can't really think of an instance when I'll want to use Quinlan over this guy and Quinlan is a VR and this dude is probably uncommon. Is that not power creep? | |
I wish god were alive to see this. | |
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Darthrau
Underboss
2233 Posts
| | 05/13/2006 7:13 AM |
| | I see everyone compare this piece to Vos. I got to believe Lucas made Vos weak on approval. He was our second EU piece and Mara is much more widely accepted. Over on the Wizards board I'd done a quick match between JWM and Kolar JM. With Kolar winning since I've tried a couple proxie bouts and don't see him as the be all end all. I believe the Jedi should have more Force powers to choose from (as the JWM does) but few FP to spend. Making them versitile yet still not way over the top. I think Wizards has done a nice job with that on the JWM. The way I use the JWM and the way someone else uses him can and most likely will be different. Does adding Qui-Gon JM make him stronger? Maybe but then again maybe I try and wipe out the JWM before Mr.Ginn. Also maybe you've brought another Jedi who use the Spirit better than JWM. Overpowered? Jury's still out but, what all Jedi should be? Yeah I think so. | |
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bigbadjon
Sergeant
546 Posts
| | 05/13/2006 3:33 PM |
| | I do not think that this is a power creep situation. The weapon master really is no better than Vos. It just looks that way because he has more force powers, but he only has enough force points to use one or two powers per skirmish. I believe some people will still use Vos for his extra point of defense and attack and 10 extra health. I believe others will take JWM because he offers more versatility. However I believe they are about equal in the long run. | |
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Fun Guy from Yuggoth
Cthulhufnord
Warlord
10855 Posts
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| | 05/14/2006 11:32 PM |
| | Didn't many of the Ultimate missions books have scenarios that gave Force users a couple more powers. I seem to recall force leap and force throw being used. | |
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kizzy
Skirmisher
34 Posts
| | 05/15/2006 8:19 AM |
| | Yeah, there was also force push, foce pull and force ball. Force push was my personal fave especially on the mustafar map. I just loved pushing opponents into the lava. | |
RS 49/60
CS 42/60
ROTS 51/60
U 33/60
COTF 17/60
BH 0/60
AT-AT 1/1
AoE 4/4 | |
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Username
Warlord
5658 Posts
| | 05/15/2006 6:00 PM |
| Loving the trooper!
I wish they would make some more jedi minis that portray characters after ROTJ. | |
Originally posted by Schooly_D
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Fun Guy from Yuggoth
Cthulhufnord
Warlord
10855 Posts
Umass Amherst Baby!
| | 05/16/2006 12:46 AM |
| Still plenty of room for New Republic jedi in this set. If we don't end up seeing at least three NR figures let alone force users I'll be shocked.
quote:
Originally posted by Username
Loving the trooper!
I wish they would make some more jedi minis that portray characters after ROTJ.
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mordantos
Underboss
1210 Posts
| | 05/16/2006 3:01 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Cthulhufnord
Still plenty of room for New Republic jedi in this set. If we don't end up seeing at least three NR figures let alone force users I'll be shocked.
According to the unofficial list (that has been uncannily accurate) there are exactly three New Republic spots: Corran Horn, Jaina Solo and someone whose name fits between the two... | | | |
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kizzy
Skirmisher
34 Posts
| | 05/16/2006 8:57 AM |
| | I think it would be pretty reseonable to guess that it would be jacen Solo. i would have liked mara though. | |
RS 49/60
CS 42/60
ROTS 51/60
U 33/60
COTF 17/60
BH 0/60
AT-AT 1/1
AoE 4/4 | |
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Ghost
Skirmisher
19 Posts
| | 05/17/2006 11:20 AM |
| I definetely want at least two uniques for the NR but I think its just as important to get at least two or three new commons/uncommons. Another commander maybe, another grunt shooter or two and some kind of utility piece. I just really want all the factions to be able to run a couple of different decent squads without relying heavily on fringe.
Jedi aren't supposed to be overpowered. Powerful? Sure. But they must have a cost ballanced to their power level for the game to work. I can't think of many, if any, figures under 30 points that will be able to stand up to the Jedi WM without relying on lucky rolls at present.
Unfortunately Quinlan actually has one lower defence, not one higher. The Weapon Master has a lot more staying power than Quinlan with his higher defense, lightsaber duelist, lightsaber deflect and block in spite of his 10 lower health. | |
I wish god were alive to see this. | |
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Darth Crush
Sneak
148 Posts
| | 05/20/2006 7:53 AM |
| | wouldn't the mini of Bastila Shan be included, it fits in between both of them. She is also supposed to be confirmed. | |
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