Darth Crush
Sneak
148 Posts
    
 | | 06/15/2006 8:43 AM |
| | Who do you think would be the best mellee fighter against one another one on one? Would it be Vader JH or bane or exar, i don't know do you think you can help me out here. Also, do you think that swm would ever make a Krayt dragon mini. I would love to see one of those! | |
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Cthulhufnord
Warlord
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| | 06/15/2006 12:38 PM |
| | Well Bane is one of the sicker Melee figures, offense-wise. Nastier than Vader JH by a longshot. | |
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bigbadjon
Sergeant
546 Posts
| | 06/15/2006 1:40 PM |
| | Vader JH is more effective that Bane offensively. Against a jedi Vader does 90 damage with his triple attack and 60 against others. Bane does 80 against force users and 60 againsty others. The thing that makes Bane so nasty is that he has 200hp. | |
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Warlord
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| | 06/15/2006 1:51 PM |
| | Bane's master of the force 2 combined with Sith rage and Lightsaber assualt would allow him to walzt up to a jed and do 100 points of damage. 80 points if they were a non-force user. Vader has the triple attack for 90 against force users, however he still has to have not moved to use it. | |
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Darth Crush
Sneak
148 Posts
| | 06/15/2006 2:10 PM |
| | vader could block some of that damage, and if he just blocks one, than there goes, 40 damage against a vader JH | |
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bagheera_prime1
Skirmisher
2 Posts
| | 06/15/2006 3:17 PM |
| you guys are forgetting the max ability - lightsaber assualt, combined with master of the force 2 and jedi hunter. lightsaber assault two times(four attks) with jedi hunter for 160 points of dmg.
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Ghost
Skirmisher
19 Posts
| | 06/15/2006 3:52 PM |
| You can't lightsaber assault twice in the same turn. You are only able to use a single 'replace attacks' ability each turn. He will still be able to assault and rage in the same turn allowing him to, potentially, do 100 damage to Vader.
Basically who wins will depend on initiative and Vader's luck with block. In any case its close but I'd bet on Bane. | |
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Darth Crush
Sneak
148 Posts
| | 06/15/2006 6:18 PM |
| i tested them out.Each person started right next to each other.
Bane wins initiative, double with 2 sith rages, +20 on all attacks, both hit, one blocked by vader. Bane=200 Vader=90
Vader triples, hits on all of them,90 damage. Bane=110 Vader=90
Vader wins initiative, triple, all hit. Bane=20 Vader=90
Bane doubles with one sith rage, both hit, one block Bane=20 Vader=40
So pretty much whoever wins initiative wins,
Vader wins initiative and kills bane.
I also tested them two more times. Bane won both of them, he won two out of three. But even though, they are evenly matched, vader is 7 points less and in a skirmish, would do better! | |
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mordantos
Underboss
1210 Posts
| | 06/15/2006 6:28 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Ghost
In any case its close but I'd bet on Bane.
Not me.
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Eliminator53
Sergeant
628 Posts
| | 06/15/2006 10:12 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by mordantos
quote:
Originally posted by Ghost
In any case its close but I'd bet on Bane.
Not me.
I listen to Wesley Snipes- "Always bet on black!"
Same here.
Although General Windu is no slouch in melee either. Shatterpoint is crazy, and Vappad fighting style has always been crazy. | |
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Ghost
Skirmisher
19 Posts
| | 06/20/2006 12:47 PM |
| Just so you know, you can't actually use sith rage twice in the same turn either. You can't stack bonuses like that in SWM.
In any case it takes Bane two to four turns to kill Vader depending on the block rolls and it always takes Vader three turns to kill Bane, assuming neither of them get crit fails/hits. In any case it will at least be close, and dependant on luck.
And I'd still bet on bane, regardless of what Mr. Snipes says :p | |
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Mister_Darren
Sneak
111 Posts
| | 06/22/2006 10:01 AM |
| How well or how long do you think Tsavong Lah could/would hold up against any of these three beaters?
I actually think he would have fared a lot better if he could swing back for more than 30/round... | |
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bshugg
Underboss
1821 Posts
| | 06/27/2006 9:54 AM |
| | Though its not really a Melee discussion, you need to take into account lightsaber toss in the match up between vadar and Bane. It really puts things heavily in Bane's favor. | |
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Luisjoey
Underboss
1704 Posts
Caracas Venezuela
| | 06/27/2006 11:39 AM |
| | Vader Jedi Hunter still stand the groud, not only for his great ofensive capabilities, if not that he could block many bane attacks with a 11 on a D20. | |
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Darth Crush
Sneak
148 Posts
| | 06/27/2006 6:47 PM |
| quote:
In any case it takes Bane two to four turns to kill Vader depending on the block rolls and it always takes Vader three turns to kill Bane, assuming neither of them get crit fails/hits. In any case it will at least be close, and dependant on luck.
Got to go with the Ghost
quote:
Just so you know, you can't actually use sith rage twice in the same turn either. You can't stack bonuses like that in SWM.
Thanks, didn't know that | |
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Darth Crush
Sneak
148 Posts
| | 06/29/2006 11:49 AM |
| I had a tournament of beatsticks, with Exar,Maul COTF,Bane,DV JH,Windu,Warmaster,Malak and a Nihllus.
Round 1
Exar
vs.===Exar
Malak
Exar dominates, with his 180 hp and 19 attack, even with lightsaber duelist, exar's attack is too high.
Maul
vs.===Maul
Nihllus
Sith hunger wasn't enough for Nihllus. Maul tore him apart with quad attack.
Bane
vs.===Bane
Warmaster
Even though, Bane couldn't use any force, his 30 damage was enough to just take down the warmaster, considering the warmaster failed half his crab armor saves.
Vader
vs.===Windu
Windu
This was an upset. Windu used shatterpoint and rolled three crits without needing shatterpoint. Vader blocks one but can't stop windu and his legendary vaapad.
I'm about to play the second round, with the matchups being
Exar vs. Maul
Bane vs. Windu
TO BE CONTINUED
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Darth Crush
Sneak
148 Posts
| | 06/29/2006 3:32 PM |
| Maul
vs.===Maul
Exar
Maul wins because of his quad attack + sith rage. Lands all his attacks, and wins the final initiative and kills exar.
Windu
vs.===Windu
Bane
Windu uses shatterpoint and his vaapad lands two extra crits on bane and wins final initiative and pulls off the upset of the tournament.
TO BE CONTINUED | |
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Darth Crush
Sneak
148 Posts
| | 07/06/2006 4:45 PM |
| Maul
vs.===Windu
Windu
Windu hurts maul with his vaapad style fighting.Maul wins final initiative and has 10 health left. Windu was at 30. Maul attacked and Windu riposted and ended up killing maul. Windu got real lucky this tournament, landing a lot of critical hits. The tournament could have gone any way but windu won with his luck and criticals.
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Luisjoey
Underboss
1704 Posts
Caracas Venezuela
| | 07/07/2006 2:54 PM |
| | Nice you done that exercise but what vader did you used? champion of the sith or Jedi Hunter? | |
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Darth Crush
Sneak
148 Posts
| | 07/08/2006 5:30 PM |
| | Jedi Hunter, I'm a bad roller and he failed all his lightsaber blocks against windu. | |
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Knighthart
Skirmisher
27 Posts
| | 07/11/2006 7:22 PM |
| | Kun and his transfer of essence is totally fun to play. Watch your initiative rolls and sneak in for some 90 points of damage. boohaa. | |
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