TheOriginalGamer
Sneak
149 Posts
    
Oklahoma
 | | 09/22/2006 6:31 PM |
| So anyone else having trouble with this twin attack ability?
Twin Attack - This character makes a single extra attack whenever it makes an attack. This attack must be made at the same target asa the original attack. Twin attack even effects multiple attacks granted by special abilities and force powers. For example if Lord Vader uses his lightsaber sweet, he attacks each adjacent enemy twice.
So far these situations came up:
Lightsaber assault - Vader comes up, does lightsaber assault, first attack, then twin attack on the first attack, second attack, then twin attack on second attack. So lightsabe assault is 4 attacks, not 2.
Double Attack with a Speeder - Same as above - Using twin attack on each attack giving it 4 attacks instead of 2.
Does this seem like the right way to play?
Seems like twin attack might be broken. Giving everyone on the board quadruple attack seems a bit overpowering.
What do you guys think?
Jared
Distraction Games
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Fun Guy from Yuggoth
Cthulhufnord
Warlord
10615 Posts
Umass Amherst Baby!
| | 09/22/2006 10:09 PM |
| I agree it should not stack with Double attack. As far as Vader using it in a lightsaber sweep.... well that I do not see as broken, given that Windu can do that with force whirlwind.
The whole twin attack puzzles me. In some ways it makes the game faster.... yet the set also has evasion monkeys. All very strange. It makes me wish we had a Shoe or Lidda lurking in the SWM section as well. | |
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Luisjoey
Underboss
1704 Posts
Caracas Venezuela
| | 09/22/2006 11:50 PM |
| Yes the Twin Attack is kinda of broken, Vader is really powerful as long it have Force points (before he attacks he needs to deflect some attacks). The twin attack comes broken for characters who attack from distance, but since many characters (in this set) come with the ability at the right cost (i hope) is not so broken a lot, but you need to put new BH set minis in your squad to keep at top in the metagame.
As far i can see characters with twin attack cost high, for example han solo that could shoot four times but cost more than the older versions of this character.
I think the mix between the new set with the other could give excellent combinations keeping many minis strong, lowering some combos, and bringing over other characters (especially the rebels and seps) | |
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Fun Guy from Yuggoth
Cthulhufnord
Warlord
10615 Posts
Umass Amherst Baby!
| | 09/23/2006 12:07 AM |
| | Looking at the preview with the speeder it does indeed look like Double attack and Twin attack stack with each other. | |
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TheOriginalGamer
Sneak
149 Posts
Oklahoma
| | 09/23/2006 7:22 AM |
| Last night the top 3 squads had either Vader or someone else with Twin Attack. It was scary. Looking forward to a non-sealed event: Mace Windu and Mas Ameeda, the rest of the figures have twin attack. Everyone has a minimum of 4 attacks (single attack with Mace's cmdr effect, and twin attack), most have 6, and a few have 8. I hope I am not overestimating things here, but if you can have a squad with this amount of attacks, why bring anything else?
Mace, Mas, Boba (4 tries at an instant kill on a 20 is very tempting) or pehaps and ISP speeder and something to transfer damage, could be devestating.
The scary part is that sometimes we do a factionless tournament at 200 points.....
At any rate, I will hold off on if Twin Attack is broken just yet. It will take a few weeks to find out if it is or not. As of last night though, with 14 people, top three were with twin attack.
Thank you for the replies to this thread.
Sincerely,
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Luisjoey
Underboss
1704 Posts
Caracas Venezuela
| | 09/23/2006 5:53 PM |
| It is a nice Thread friend 
I have to try the Twin attack, maybe i come to the same conclusion like you, but i still see the twin attack as expensive ability in characters that could balance because your opponent could have more miniatures so the twin attack could be reduced. | |
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wicked cool
Underboss
2032 Posts
| | 09/26/2006 6:56 AM |
| | im a little confused on max # of attacks. can someome explain double attack when combined with twin attack. if maul uses force points and doesnt move how many attacks does he get? if he moves. max/min # of attacks these types of pieces get? | |
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Mr. Parker
Skirmisher
15 Posts
| | 09/26/2006 7:05 AM |
| | Twin Attack does seem quite powerful...but I wan't to try it out before making any judgements...given that I haven't got any BH yet.
I ordered Han Solo, Scoundrel online yesterday...definately looking forward to trying him out.
So I'm assuming that I can use mobile and twin attack together. | |
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MikeyChraal
Warrior
220 Posts
Manchester, England
| | 09/26/2006 9:54 AM |
| Yeah it is pretty broken, twin attack.
It would be less broken if it was this instead:
Twin Attack: If this character misses with an attack he can make an immediate attack against the same target. This can only happen once per attack. And rerolls may not be rerolled. | |
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Fun Guy from Yuggoth
Cthulhufnord
Warlord
10615 Posts
Umass Amherst Baby!
| | 09/26/2006 5:25 PM |
| Posted By MikeyChraal on 09/26/2006 9:54 AM
Yeah it is pretty broken, twin attack.
It would be less broken if it was this instead:
Twin Attack: If this character misses with an attack he can make an immediate attack against the same target. This can only happen once per attack. And rerolls may not be rerolled.
Play Warhammer 40K much? I was thinking along the same lines myself.  | |
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AJ_Wolf
Skirmisher
9 Posts
| | 09/28/2006 9:34 AM |
| It really shouldn't be to suprising that Twin Atack dominated the release events as it is one of the premier abilities of Bounty Hunters. As for Twin Attack dominating the game, well it will for a few weeks while everyone test drives the new figs.
Is Twin Attack powerful? Heck yeah. But is in no way game breaking. There is only ONE fig that grants Twin Attack to followers, and it only works on Rebel faction troopers. General Windu boosting Twin Attackers? By my count there are only three figs that will benefit from him, the new Boba, Komari Vosa, and ISP Speeder. Mace + Boba = 134pts wrapped up in two figs. Komari has a low def and 80 hp, and the ISP is a huge target that wouldn't be able to move to really benefit from those 6 attacks.
Lord Vader is definately powerful, but he needs force points to really become a monster, and his raw stats aren't nearly Jedi Hunters, and he has no defensive abilities. Han and Boba combine Mobile Attack, with Twin Attack to good effect, but they are priced appropriately I feel.
Finally, Twin Attack is only really useful against high HP enemies. Guess what, if I have a bunch of 20 HP figs hitting you and overwhelming you with numbers, Twin Attack is useless.
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AJ_Wolf
Skirmisher
9 Posts
| | 09/28/2006 9:44 AM |
| Posted By wicked cool on 09/26/2006 6:56 AM
im a little confused on max # of attacks. can someome explain double attack when combined with twin attack. if maul uses force points and doesnt move how many attacks does he get? if he moves. max/min # of attacks these types of pieces get?
Here is the definition of Twin Attack:
Whenever this character attack, he makes 1 extra attack against the same target.
Basically this means that eveytime you would attack someone, you get to attack the twice. Say I have Komari Vosa and she is based by two enemies. I attack enemy A, first attack hits, doesn't kill. Twin Attack allows me to now make a second attack against that same enemy. If this attack fails to kill enemy A, then I can use my second attack from double attack to attack enemy A, or move on to enemy B. If I do attack enemy A and kill him then, I do NOT get a fourth attack as the attack that would have come from Twin Attack is wasted because the target is dead. Does this make sense? | |
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wicked cool
Underboss
2032 Posts
| | 09/28/2006 10:49 AM |
| somewhat. if vader is sorrounded how many attacks(8?). now the champs of the force maul has 4 attacks plus he has force abilities. ho many attacks is he making 4+. why would he use twin attacks. sorry dont have his card on me and im new to the gmae part of collecting for this.
in your example if vader kills his opponent on the second attack he can use the remaining 2 attacks on another and so forth. he could take out 4 weenies with 4 attacks? | |
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AJ_Wolf
Skirmisher
9 Posts
| | 09/28/2006 11:31 AM |
| Posted By wicked cool on 09/28/2006 10:49 AM
in your example if vader kills his opponent on the second attack he can use the remaining 2 attacks on another and so forth. he could take out 4 weenies with 4 attacks?
No Vader couldn't take out four weenies as Twin Attack only allows you a second attack against the same target. So the most Vader could kill using Lightsaber Assault with Twin Attack is two. Now if he were surrounded by more than two opponents he could use Lightsaber Sweep to attack each adjacent enemy twice. (Once for the sweep plus a bonus attack from Twin Attack.)
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