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AesophDarkfable
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| I wont spoil anything (not that if youve read the book I could really)
I will begin by saying that V for Vendetta is one of my favorite comics of all time and I even prefer it over Watchman as far as Moores work.
This was not a perfect adaptation. There were a few major changes, notably no mention of anarchy as a political concept. That being said. This movie was amazing. They got it right. Even with the changes and the lack of anarchy the spirit is there. The soul is there. I was quite moved and a little teary eyed at the end.
The casting was perfect. I had forgotten how great of an actor Steven Rea is. He was amazing as Finch, as was Steven Fry as Dietrich. Hurt was politically scary as the Chancellor Sutler, and the guy who played Cready was disgustingly vile (perfect again)
Weavings voice, once you get use to the overdubish sound since hes supposed to be speaking under the mask was amazing as V and brought it to life.
Portman shows why she is one of the greatest young female actresses ever, and why she should never be judged by her role as Amidala (even she cant save a Lucas script).
The politics are there, you can read in what you want or choose not to read in easily. Alot of what you read is going to be based on your own politics. They don't beat you over the head with it though. The end got a tad bit heavy handed at one point (in a part that was changed from the comic none the less) but it worked.
I do think Fox News, MSNBC, pundits etc are going to attack this movie in some form, and Im not sure if that is a bad thing as the ideals present here are important and if attacked it might strengthen peoples thoughts on them.
I would never call V the hero of this tale, but I would call him the protaginist in the classic sense. He is not the ideal person, he is a monster in many ways and admits it.
This is a great movie, you should see it.
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Daunte
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| | 03/17/2006 2:26 AM |
| | Never read the omic/book but i definitely want to see this one. Glad its getting good reviews from real people. I never beleive what the critics say. | |
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| | 03/17/2006 7:15 AM |
| | I'm planning on seeing it. I've been a fan of the comic since it first came out. | |
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Vrecknidj
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| | 03/17/2006 8:43 AM |
| Newsweek gave it an awful review. I'm a fan of Hugo Weaving's work though, so I intended to see it anyway. Thanks for the thread.
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| | 03/17/2006 9:27 AM |
| I may rent it.
Seeing the previews with V taking on 20+ submachine gun wielding commandos with 2 daggers seems pretty tarded to me. | |
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Nixlord
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| | 03/17/2006 12:37 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Username
I may rent it.
Seeing the previews with V taking on 20+ submachine gun wielding commandos with 2 daggers seems pretty tarded to me.
Yep, I wondered about that too when I saw the previews. But after watching the movie, it was easier to swallow. His background, origin, and love for the classics has something to do with it.
And oh yeah, I loved the movie. For a super-hero comic book film, I'm pretty surprised it can be very thought-provoking, touching, and engaging (even though the totalitarian/fascist scenario depicted is a bit of a stretch). It also has a very good long build-up towards the climax.
Unfortunately, I don't think I can watch through it again. The long political/propaganda/history/character build-up towards the climax won't be as enjoyable for me a second run anymore. Not too much action for shallow me. [:p]
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The Defenestrator
AesophDarkfable
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5628 Posts
| | 03/17/2006 1:00 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Nixlord
quote:
Originally posted by Username
I may rent it.
Seeing the previews with V taking on 20+ submachine gun wielding commandos with 2 daggers seems pretty tarded to me.
Yep, I wondered about that too when I saw the previews. But after watching the movie, it was easier to swallow. His background, origin, and love for the classics has something to do with it.
And oh yeah, I loved the movie. For a super-hero comic book film, I'm pretty surprised it can be very thought-provoking, touching, and engaging (even though the totalitarian/fascist scenario depicted is a bit of a stretch). It also has a very good long build-up towards the climax.
Unfortunately, I don't think I can watch through it again. The long political/propaganda/history/character build-up towards the climax won't be as enjoyable for me a second run anymore. Not too much action for shallow me. [:p]
I can vibe with that. Im more of a pessimist so my politics tend to think that while its a stretch its not a massive one. So I'm seeing it again for sure. | |
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The Defenestrator
AesophDarkfable
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5628 Posts
| | 03/17/2006 1:10 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Vrecknidj
Newsweek gave it an awful review. I'm a fan of Hugo Weaving's work though, so I intended to see it anyway. Thanks for the thread.
Dave
Again, I'm trying to avoid making it seem like this movie is: liberal = like/love it; conservative = will hate it. But newsweeks review was kind of a joke I felt, this person let their politics get in the way of enjoying a pretty good story. I spent last night reviewing some of the conservative backlash (newsweek is a rather conservative weekly ran by an large pro-bush/pro-war conservative company) and I find most of it pretty shallow. Alot of it is similar to the gripes about Lucas's anti-bush rhetoric in Sith. Sure you can read into it what you want, but some of the reaction seems to be guilty conscience style "I think the lady doth protest to much." Again thats just my take, I'm trying to keep this thread from falling into any sort of political debate like EVERY thread on V I've found has, but if it does we're civil folk who can do it well.
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maijstral
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| | 03/17/2006 2:23 PM |
| The post dispatch gave it a horrible review as well. I don't know what the reviewers politics are but he based his whole review on the politics of the movie and how out of place they were. He didn't like the preachyness of the movie, I didn't get that but go figure. He treated the whole movie as a political statement and not as a comic book story with political overtones.
The 'politics' of the movie doesn't drag it down as some critics have said. I think the people who hate the movie and judge it totally on the politics misunderstand what is going on in the movie.
I loved the movie BTW and I'm not a liberal, not a conservative either more of a middle of the roader (can't we all jsut get along).
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Vrecknidj
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| | 03/17/2006 7:03 PM |
| I saw the movie today, and, it was quite good. I'll see it again in the theater, which is about the highest recommendation a movie gets from me.
Some of the setting stuff (the political background)is a bit outlandish, but, the story itself is excellent for the comic-book genre that it's aiming for.
Very well acted.
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CarrionCrawler
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| | 03/17/2006 8:57 PM |
| | I love Moores work and I can't wait to see this! Did Moore do League of Extraordinary Gentleman? (at any rate, I prefered the comic to the movie) | |
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| | 03/17/2006 9:51 PM |
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Originally posted by CarrionCrawler
I love Moores work and I can't wait to see this! Did Moore do League of Extraordinary Gentleman? (at any rate, I prefered the comic to the movie)
Alan Moore indeed did write The League of Extraoridnary Gentlemen, as well as From Hell and Watchmen. All of them are must reads, especially Watchmen. | |
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| | 03/17/2006 9:59 PM |
| I loathed the movie adaptaion.[:(!]
quote:
Originally posted by CarrionCrawler
I love Moores work and I can't wait to see this! Did Moore do League of Extraordinary Gentleman? (at any rate, I prefered the comic to the movie)
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hazel monday
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338 Posts
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| | 03/17/2006 10:09 PM |
| allan moore has done everything he could possibly do to distance himself from this movie.
so as a fan of his work i'm gonna do the same.
and that newsweek review was pathetically transparent in it's political motivations for hating on the movie. | |
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AesophDarkfable
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5628 Posts
| | 03/18/2006 12:42 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by hazel monday
allan moore has done everything he could possibly do to distance himself from this movie.
so as a fan of his work i'm gonna do the same.
and that newsweek review was pathetically transparent in it's political motivations for hating on the movie.
Moore does everything he can to distance himself from all movies hes done. He tells them to take his name off of them and give the money to the artists. His biggest gripe with this movie in particular was he was not a fan of the changes in the script (the removal of Anarchy) and the cockiness of Joel Silver in saying Moore supported it (he did support the idea 20 years ago) | |
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taliesin
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1113 Posts
| | 03/19/2006 5:50 PM |
| Well, LXG (I knew this movie would blow as soon as they changed the title to an EXTREME!!! sounding acronym) and Constantine were really piss-poor adaptations of Moore's work. With Hollywood's track record, I'd probably distance myself as well.
Other side of the coin, Hollywood can do a good adaptation (LotR), and Moore has refused to even review the script. No input= no right to complain. His ABC line (America's Best Comics) folded, and he's "officially" retired, so raising a stink over the movie could also be his way of getting a little publicity again.
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Count Dooku
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| | 03/20/2006 7:38 AM |
| I saw it over the weekend.
I never read the graphic novel so I cant compare...but I really liked it.
As far as his killing 20+ machine gun soldiers with knives...It was more like 12. And when you see the scene where it happens it makes alot of scence and it was done very well.
I must say that I was REALLY worried when V had his rediculus opening monolog full of V-words....But it does fix itself pretty quickly.
Id suggest checking it out....I mean...What else are you gonna see from now till May? :)
Seriously though I may even get it for my DVD shelf. | |
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Vash
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| | 03/20/2006 8:34 AM |
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Originally posted by Count Dooku
Id suggest checking it out....I mean...What else are you gonna see from now till May? :)
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Count Dooku
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| | 03/20/2006 8:54 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Vash
quote:
Originally posted by Count Dooku
Id suggest checking it out....I mean...What else are you gonna see from now till May? :)
Silent Hill, April 21st. [:)]
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Orion72
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1917 Posts
| | 03/20/2006 12:44 PM |
| I saw it this weekend and I thought it COMPLETELY rocked! I'll definitely pick up the TPB, and probably see the movie again after reading it.
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Idzy
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| | 03/21/2006 11:32 AM |
| | Saw it last night after reading the reviews here and you guys are right on, awesome movie, I'll probably pick up the DVD and the TPB too if I can find it. | |
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| | 03/23/2006 4:42 PM |
| | This was a great movie, I was skeptical at first but ended up loving it. Nice south Park reference AesohDarkfable. | |
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zenthrus
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| | 03/25/2006 5:20 PM |
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Originally posted by taliesin
Other side of the coin, Hollywood can do a good adaptation (LotR)
WETA Workshop isn't exactly "Hollywood." New Line just paid the bills, they didn't exercise creative controls over Mr. Jackson [:D]
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| | 03/25/2006 11:51 PM |
| | See it on teh big screen. I saw it tonight and it was very good. a bit of a "thinker" at times, but so be it. | |
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1476 Posts
| | 03/26/2006 12:29 AM |
| I was pleased overall with the movie.. tho a few points bugged me.
Hugo Weaving is too big to play V. which isnt important except for one of the "fringe" theories about who V is. It falls under the category that Wolverine being a runt isnt important.. but it is a little.
I felt they did a good job with the modernization.
I liked it alot.. course it was good source material. It furthers the theory that the Wachowski's stole the script for the Matrix tho.. at least in my mind. They cant create anything good.. they can only take ideas from the right sources. | |
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| | 03/27/2006 5:36 AM |
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Count Dooku
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| | 03/27/2006 9:05 AM |
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Hugo Weaving is too big to play V. which isnt important except for one of the "fringe" theories about who V is.
Cant wait for this thread to change to Spoilers Allowed.
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B
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1189 Posts
| | 03/29/2006 8:00 AM |
| i saw this film last night. Wow. Just Wow. I thought it was a great story, and visually stunning. I loved the giant talking head. I loved the bland palette accentuated by crimson. I loved the thing at the end with all the people....you know what I'm talking about [)] ...damn no spoiler warning........
Anyway, I must sayt that I think the best part of the movie for me was the fact that it wasn't all about V. I think that he, evie, and the detective all got about equal time....which is rare in movies nowadays.
I also have to say that the fight with all the guys with guns REALLY does make more sense when you see it.....of course, they don't really have guns....they have bullets [:D] | |
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The Defenestrator
AesophDarkfable
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5628 Posts
| | 03/29/2006 1:07 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Count Dooku
quote:
Hugo Weaving is too big to play V. which isnt important except for one of the "fringe" theories about who V is.
Cant wait for this thread to change to Spoilers Allowed.
I wanna know this theroy. :)
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B
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1189 Posts
| | 03/29/2006 1:47 PM |
| | I'm kind of curious....did anyone else try and stat out V? I know that after the movie I came to the conclusion that he was a bard/fighter/dervish. Anyone else? | |
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Count Dooku
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| | 03/29/2006 2:52 PM |
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Originally posted by B
I'm kind of curious....did anyone else try and stat out V? I know that after the movie I came to the conclusion that he was a bard/fighter/dervish. Anyone else?
Id give him that special ablity that lets him keep fighting after he drops down to negative hit-pionts :) | |
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2838 Posts
| | 03/29/2006 11:23 PM |
| Spoiler: Possible Origin for V
One theory for V's origin is that "he" isn't a "he"--or necessarily a "she", either. It depends on your point of view.
There is an almost-off-the-cuff remark about V's identity in the back of the collected trade paperback about how the world was not ready for a trans-sexual hero or something like that. I'd have to check for it again. | |
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rhane
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1412 Posts
| | 04/28/2006 11:00 AM |
| Since I have 4 kids, it typically takes me longer to see movies than most. However, this past weekend, the wifey and I got out and went to see it.
...Freakin' WOW!!!!!!!
As a bit of a political conservative, I still gotta say that I think this is one of the best movies EVER! And I don't typically lavish praise like that...as many of you know, I'm much happier being critical [:D]. Like Aesoph, I also got a little choked up at the end.
In many movies, there are alot of little things that sometimes throw the movie off for me. Little choices that have a big negative impact. The Galadriel scene in Fellowship of the Ring, for example. In V, I can't think of a single thing they did wrong. In a word, I'd describe the movie as "perfect".
After it was over, I ran the wife home, dropped her off, and immediately went to see it again. I haven't done that since I was a kid (Jedi maybe). The second viewing didn't have the impact of the first, but its still spectacular, and I'll absolutely buy the DVD on the day its released (and hopefully sneak out to the theater again before its gone). | |
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| | 04/28/2006 12:43 PM |
| Yeah, I acctually went out with my sisters and their hubbies when they came up over easter to visit and I think everyone save my one borther in law left the theater going wow (ah he's an old war movie buff).
I thought it was a brillant movie, only thing I think they could have done better is diversify the time they spent on who/what was being persecuted under their tyranical government. Not that I'm conservative, leftist or whatever the heck you want to call it. Just they seemed to dwell on the whole gay/lesbian thing a bit too much. All the flashbacks with Evie reading the letter. Could have done it differently. One thing the graphic novel did better to flesh out IMO. | |
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