Kithmaker
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| Just want to rant a little here.
Recently I've heard/seen some states referred to as being in the Midwest that just can't be.
First, if your state borders a state that is on the east coast, you CANNOT be in the Midwest.
Second, if your state is more than one state east of the Mississippi (i.e., your state does not have a border on the Mississippi), you CANNOT be in the Midwest.
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Can of the Cave Beer
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2838 Posts
| | 04/02/2006 1:33 AM |
| Ohio is a big one for that. I consistantly hear OH referred to as being part of the Midwest. Somehow, it gets lumped in with those of us who are actually, y'know WEST of something or in the MIDDLE of something...
Of course, I get twitchy when people refer to Illinois as the being in the Midwest because that just doesn't seem right to me. | |
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Temperance
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| | 04/02/2006 1:37 AM |
| I grew up in Minnesota, so I've always thought of the midwest as MN and the surrounding four states; Wisconsin, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Iowa.
It should probably be defined as those states that speak with a funny accent, don't ya know. ya der hey. ;) | |
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griffrat
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| | 04/02/2006 7:20 AM |
| LOL!!! Can o CB, When I was in the military OH being in the midwest was something of an eye opener. Until then I always thought of the "midwest" as being Mo, Ks, Ia and Ne. After the stretch in the military I change my view to be a " state that pretty much doesn't have a "real" mtn range or border an ocean/or body of salt water.
So, I guess my 'midwest' now is north of Tx, Ar, Ky (anything south and including these states is the "south") and anything between the Rockies and Appalchains. Although, you could also call any state that has more than three tornadoes in a year an honorary midwestern state...[)]
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Vrecknidj
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| | 04/02/2006 10:41 AM |
| A LOT of people think of Michigan as being in the Midwest, but, um, I've always kinda considered it the shining example of a Great Lakes state.
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Diomedes
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3173 Posts
| | 04/03/2006 9:50 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Vrecknidj
A LOT of people think of Michigan as being in the Midwest, but, um, I've always kinda considered it the shining example of a Great Lakes state.
Dave
Michigan is part of the federal reserve bank's seventh district that includes iowa, illinois, indiana, etc. I would call it midwest for that reason ;p
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nyjastul69
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| | I just got burned on a trivia question because some mook decided Ohio was a midwestern state. Midwest my... | |
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griffrat
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3506 Posts
| | 04/03/2006 11:13 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Diomedes
[quote]Originally posted by Vrecknidj
Michigan is part of the federal reserve bank's seventh district that includes iowa, illinois, indiana, etc. I would call it midwest for that reason ;p
-Diomedes
So that would make Missouri a "Super Midwest" state since it has two fed reserve banks, KC and StL...[:D] | |
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frogrodeo
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| | 04/03/2006 11:38 AM |
| | Another related question.... what would our MidEast states be? [:D] | |
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Felagund
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922 Posts
| | 04/03/2006 12:39 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Temperance
I grew up in Minnesota, so I've always thought of the midwest as MN and the surrounding four states; Wisconsin, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Iowa.
It should probably be defined as those states that speak with a funny accent, don't ya know. ya der hey. ;)
Except for Iowa. We don't have that same silly accent that you Northerners do. [:)]
I consider the Midwest to be Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and the Dakotas. | |
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Malin Lug
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742 Posts
| | 04/03/2006 1:54 PM |
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Originally posted by Can of the Cave Beer
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Of course, I get twitchy when people refer to Illinois as the being in the Midwest because that just doesn't seem right to me.
Being from Illinois, I gotta tell you... it is considered part of the Midwest. And we do border the Mississippi river.
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AesophDarkfable
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5628 Posts
| | 04/03/2006 5:17 PM |
| | Being from the Midwest (Illinois, and less than an hour from both the Ohio and the Mississippi) I usually consider the midwest to be IL, IN, Western KY, MO, IA, NE, KS, SD, AR Now it is often argued (and they are border parts that Ohio, Michigan, and Minnesota are as well, I would include Ohio over the other two as Ohio very much has a Midwest mentality/sensibility over a east coast one. Cincy for example is a perfect example of a midwest city. | |
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Sulaco
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1605 Posts
| | 04/03/2006 5:43 PM |
| | I think most media use "midwest" to mean "all those little square ones in the middle that no one wants to live in". There are many who feel that anything beyond the coasts - or at the extreme anything outside of NY and LA - is a vast and uneducated wasteland. It's a load of rubbish of course, but the attitude does exist. | |
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boba_fouts
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| | 04/03/2006 6:04 PM |
| | I believe the descriptor "Midwest" originated over 150 years ago, when the furtherest west Americans had ever been was the Great Plains. Back then, with Ohio being midway between the east coast and what was the most western part of the US, it was accurate to call Ohio a Midwest state. | |
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Can of the Cave Beer
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2838 Posts
| | 04/04/2006 12:31 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Malin Lug
Being from Illinois, I gotta tell you... it is considered part of the Midwest. And we do border the Mississippi river.
Oh, I understand that. It's just a personal issue with me. I've always operated from a largely literal interpretation based more (although not solely) on modern geography rather than the tradition of the colonies.
I've also irritated people from Colorado because I consider Colorado part of the Mid-West (whereas many from Colorado classify themselves with other states that host the Rocky Mountains).
Unfortunately, large sections of territory overlap, and that leaves a fair amount open to interpretation. | |
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kgradert13
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909 Posts
| | 04/04/2006 12:52 AM |
| I got no problem with Illinois bein called the midEast, but I think that was taken.
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Daunte
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518 Posts
| | 04/04/2006 8:00 AM |
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Originally posted by Sulaco
I think most media use "midwest" to mean "all those little square ones in the middle that no one wants to live in".
I want to live in the midwest. I like buying a house for $120k that someone in LA or NY pay $800k for. If that is a bad reason to live in the midwest i guess im just bad.
But seriously, to me midwest means anything between NY and California. And its not bad living here, put up with a lot of country bumpkins but you get used to it after a while. | |
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Sulaco
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1605 Posts
| | 04/04/2006 9:54 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Daunte
I want to live in the midwest. I like buying a house for $120k that someone in LA or NY pay $800k for. If that is a bad reason to live in the midwest i guess im just bad.
Absolutley. I would miss the life of the city - I'm a city kid born and bred - but given the choice I'd much prefer a quieter life out in the sticks. And the ability to live so much more cheaply doesn't hurt either. | |
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Vrecknidj
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10365 Posts
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| | 04/04/2006 10:40 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Daunte
I want to live in the midwest. I like buying a house for $120k that someone in LA or NY pay $800k for. If that is a bad reason to live in the midwest i guess im just bad.
I live on 3.3 acres of land (about 2 is woods) in Michigan. I have a 3-bedroom house (could be 4). I bought it for $119k eight years ago. If I could somehow get those 3.3 acres to relocate to Florida or California, in the right spot, I'd be sitting on millions.
But, alas, the Midwest (now that Diomedes has provided me with a reason to believe Michigan is in the Midwest) is not California or Florida.
I assure everyone, the weather in Michigan stinks, the roads are worse (last I checked, truckers consider Michigan to have the worst roads in the country), and the economy is in the tank. Michigan is the only state that wasn't hit by a hurricaine that lost jobs last year (by last count, we lose 1 job every 10 minutes).
Housing is cheap, but, the pay is generally quite bad around here, so, there's a balance.
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Ghendar
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| | 04/04/2006 11:06 AM |
| | I get annoyed when people say Connecticut is not a part of New England | |
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griffrat
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3506 Posts
| | 04/04/2006 11:11 AM |
| Funny that housing has come up. Yesterday I was talking with my old boss about this. She used to work on the east coast and rented a house for around $1600 a month. Now she has a house that costs around the $150K range in Mo. that she said back east in Md would be a couple of millions.
The wife and I are are wanting to move on to at least 3 acres and have the same square footage plus an outbulding for me (a game house!!). Just looking around with nothing more than curiousity we have found houses that have all these needs for around $250-300K. But the downside is the weather and the roads.
It rains, snows, can be cold and then hot in about a 24 hr time period. Just this week has been typical of this on Saturday it was 60 degrees F. Sunday stormy and cold 40 degrees F. Yesterday 50 sunny and windy. Now today highs in the low seventies and little to no wind. Tomorrow the weather experts are calling for thunderstorms and torrential rain.
The old timers always say if you don't like midwestern weather wait 24 hours and you will get something new....at least until July. Then it is hot, humid...did I mention it is hot and humid with the chance of tornadoes...[:D]
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Felagund
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922 Posts
| | 04/04/2006 12:38 PM |
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Originally posted by Can of the Cave Beer
I've also irritated people from Colorado because I consider Colorado part of the Mid-West (whereas many from Colorado classify themselves with other states that host the Rocky Mountains).
That just makes me think that you've never been to Colorado. There is pretty much nothing here that would qualify it as a Midwestern state. It's definitely a Rocky Mountain state.
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Originally posted by AesophDarkfable
Being from the Midwest (Illinois, and less than an hour from both the Ohio and the Mississippi) I usually consider the midwest to be IL, IN, Western KY, MO, IA, NE, KS, SD, AR Now it is often argued (and they are border parts that Ohio, Michigan, and Minnesota are as well, I would include Ohio over the other two as Ohio very much has a Midwest mentality/sensibility over a east coast one. Cincy for example is a perfect example of a midwest city.
I agree with Vreck that Michigan is a Great Lakes state, and I would include Ohio with that. It's just too far east to be a Midwestern state, imo. I would classify KY and AR as the South. | |
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Malin Lug
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742 Posts
| | 04/04/2006 12:54 PM |
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Originally posted by Daunte
But seriously, to me midwest means anything between NY and California. And its not bad living here, put up with a lot of country bumpkins but you get used to it after a while.
Hey now... yeah there are some country bumpkins out in the sticks, but that is everywhere. In the city where we live, the bars and clubs are open 7 days a week until 4AM and then open again at 7AM. It is the world headquarters of Caterpillar Tractor and a major manufacturing center and at the height of the cold war... it was estimated to be the 9th highest rated target for nuclear destruction from the Russians. So not all of the Midwest is a scene from "Deliverance." I get touchy when people reffer to the entire area as hickville. | |
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kgradert13
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909 Posts
| | 04/04/2006 1:52 PM |
| I dunno..even those of us from Illinois avoid Peoria like the plague [}:)]
I like the fact that I can afford a nice house here, compared to what it would run on the coasts. I like the quiet as well. I'd prolly snap if I had to sit in traffic any longer then I already have to on the I-74 bridge when there is an accident.
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Felagund
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922 Posts
| | 04/04/2006 2:43 PM |
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Originally posted by Malin Lug
So not all of the Midwest is a scene from "Deliverance." I get touchy when people reffer to the entire area as hickville.
But Deliverance took place in the South. [:)] The common stereotype of the Midwest that I've noticed is that it's boring, rather than that the people are hicks. | |
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Thailfi
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955 Posts
| | 04/04/2006 4:03 PM |
| Well, as a Marylander, I consider every state west of the Mississippi and east of the Rocky Mountains to be in the midwest, unless that state is Texas, which really has its own identity.
I don't think everyone from the midwest is a hick. The only opinion I have about the midwest is that it is mind numbingly boring to drive through.
So I don't consider Illinois to be in the midwest, but then if you ask anyone from New York where Maryland was, they would tell you it is in the south and everyone from Georgia will tell you Maryland is in the north. | |
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Zenako
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3468 Posts
| | 04/04/2006 4:40 PM |
| ummm, I thought the Midwest started in Albany NY....[:D] and ended somewhere near Salt Lake City...
Texas is just Texas and not part of anything else that wants it to be a part of it....
As for home prices, the cost of the homes is not that much different, it is really the cost of the land that drives prices up so much. I know in my area north of Boston land lots of 1/4 acre run close to 200K each, and then the cost of the house.
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boba_fouts
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99 Posts
| | 04/04/2006 6:30 PM |
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Originally posted by kgradert13
I dunno..even those of us from Illinois avoid Peoria like the plague [}:)]
Last time I checked, Big Al's is in Peoria...that is more than enough reason to visit Peoria. | |
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kgradert13
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| | 04/05/2006 1:41 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by kgradert13
I dunno..even those of us from Illinois avoid Peoria like the plague [}:)]
Last time I checked, Big Al's is in Peoria...that is more than enough reason to visit Peoria.
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nyjastul69
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2710 Posts
Rhode Island
| | 04/05/2006 11:01 AM |
| Here's what Wiki has:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midwestern
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griffrat
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3506 Posts
| | 04/05/2006 11:53 AM |
| Great wiki article, thanks
From my point of view the "Culture" part hit the nail right on the head with this passage....and the reason I like it here so much....[:D]
"Midwesterners are alternately viewed as open, friendly, and straightforward, or sometimes stereotyped as unsophisticated and stubborn. Factors that probably affected the shaping of Midwest values include the religious heritage of the abolitionist, pro-education Congregationalists to the stalwart Calvinist heritage of the Midwestern Protestants, as well as the agricultural values inculcated by the hardy pioneers who settled the area. The Midwest remains a melting pot of Protestantism and Calvinism, mistrustful of authority and power."
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Zaukrie
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2007 Posts
| | 04/05/2006 12:06 PM |
| Well, housing costs are not necessarily cheap in the midwest. Prices in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area are in the range of Seattle and other non-NY/LA prices. If I were willing to move to the sticks around here, I could triple the size of my house, but, then, I wouldn't live in the city that has the second most theaters per capita in the US, nor one of the few cities with two full-time paid orchestras, and more museums than you can possibly want to visit. We have contractors from NY City here right now, and they think NY is safer than Minneapolis.
I love how people that have never visisted certain cities "know" them so well. It is waaaay too damn expensive to live here given the weather. That said, our schools are still decent/good, unlike some other places I've been trying to convince my wife we should move to.
As for the "midwest" definition, that is tough. I don't think you can be more than 1 state away from a state that has the Missisippi in it to be midwest. | |
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Felagund
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922 Posts
| | 04/05/2006 12:48 PM |
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Originally posted by nyjastul69
Here's what Wiki has:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midwestern
Okay, who's the quack that thinks West Virginia is a part of the Midwest? | |
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AesophDarkfable
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5628 Posts
| | 04/05/2006 3:06 PM |
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Originally posted by Zaukrie
Well, housing costs are not necessarily cheap in the midwest. Prices in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area are in the range of Seattle and other non-NY/LA prices. If I were willing to move to the sticks around here, I could triple the size of my house, but, then, I wouldn't live in the city that has the second most theaters per capita in the US, nor one of the few cities with two full-time paid orchestras, and more museums than you can possibly want to visit. We have contractors from NY City here right now, and they think NY is safer than Minneapolis.
I love how people that have never visisted certain cities "know" them so well. It is waaaay too damn expensive to live here given the weather. That said, our schools are still decent/good, unlike some other places I've been trying to convince my wife we should move to.
As for the "midwest" definition, that is tough. I don't think you can be more than 1 state away from a state that has the Missisippi in it to be midwest.
Laugh, thats like Chicago, I think the Illinois House Resolution 950 made it illegal to mention cheap and chicago in the same sentence :P | |
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Gunthar
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2938 Posts
| | 04/05/2006 6:52 PM |
| | The Midwest is fine. There are pockets of crap everywhere. Iowa and Nebraska have a problem with the majority of their talented and educated people moving away, but so do other places. | |
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