Qapla
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| http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/06/btsc.lavandrera.funerals/index.html
I'm curious to see what other people think of this... | |
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| | 05/03/2006 6:22 AM |
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And they say ignorance is bliss? | |
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griffrat
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3507 Posts
| | 05/03/2006 6:48 AM |
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Originally posted by Link
And they say ignorance is bliss?
We here in the Kansas City area have known about the Phelps Family for a while now. Mrs. griffrat went to college/uni in Topeka where the "church" is located and the Phelps' would be there and protesting anything and everything. This started back about 5 to 10 years ago, when she was in school. The trend has continued through out all of her siblings matriculation at the same University...
It is a shame that people are now being exposed to this trash. Yesterday, over lunch some of the other graduate students and I were talking about this subject.....sad, and disgusting are words that don'e even come close to this act of lack of respect..... | |
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| | 05/03/2006 6:57 AM |
| The Phelps cult, trying supplant the phrase "God loves you", with "God hates you". ::sigh::
I respect the guys who have been following the Phelps group for the past year now, holding up banners so the clan has a harder time disrupting funerals. | |
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scruffydude7
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1196 Posts
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| | 05/03/2006 8:40 AM |
| This is absolutely disgusting. I had to turn of the news last night because this story made me sick. It's not only disrespectful to the families and the soldiers who gave their lives for the safety of the very people who would spit in their face, its also just an incredibly ignorant viewpoint.
I think its pretty safe to say that these people have no understanding of the will of God, or they would not be out there doing what they are doing. This is not Christian behavior, so please do not judge the whole by the actions of the few.
They say that stupidity is chronic, but ignorance is curable. I just hope these particular folks find the cure to ignorance - understanding. | |
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Count Dooku
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| | 05/03/2006 8:45 AM |
| Not only is blaming homosexuality for the downfall of America the stupidest thing I have ever heard...
But I'm willing to bet 99% of these fallen soldiers werent homosexuals at all. Their protests arent even directly related to those who were at the funeral.
Not to mention that protesting at ANYONES funeral is the epitomy of bad taste.
This story is horrible. Its so upsetting that it choked me up.
I really wanna applaud those bikers who are riding from funeral to funeral to protect those in mourning from these people.
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griffrat
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3507 Posts
| | 05/03/2006 8:48 AM |
| | Several sates are quietly passing laws to restrict the ability of such groups to protest at funerals. It is a travesty when you have to legislate respect....[V] | |
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griffrat
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3507 Posts
| | 05/03/2006 8:53 AM |
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Originally posted by Count Dooku
Not only is blaming homosexuality for the downfall of America the stupidest thing I have ever heard...
But I'm willing to bet 99% of these fallen soldiers werent homosexuals at all. Their protests arent even directly related to those who were at the funeral.
The hardest thing for me is to know they are from this area. I love the region of the country I am from. Knowing that stories like this and the whole Kansas/evolution issue is a huge embarassment to the region....to the majority of the nation we are a bunch of dumb azes...."sad" barely scratches the surface... | |
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Sulaco
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1605 Posts
| | 05/03/2006 9:34 AM |
| | Some people are just assholes. Ignorant, selfish, hateful, bigoted, insensitive, closed-minded, self-righteous assholes. | |
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griffrat
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3507 Posts
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| | Sulaco, that is very true. The disturbing thing is they want more people to be like them. And, to add insult to injury they think they are "doing the right thing"..... | |
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Sulaco
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1605 Posts
| | 05/03/2006 10:52 AM |
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Originally posted by griffrat
And, to add insult to injury they think they are "doing the right thing".....
In my experience most wrong people do.
Most other people never seem to worry about "doing the right thing" and instead they just follow their morals and their ethics and end up doing what is right. | |
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| | 05/03/2006 11:06 AM |
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Originally posted by Sulaco
quote:
Originally posted by griffrat
And, to add insult to injury they think they are "doing the right thing".....
In my experience most wrong people do.
Most other people never seem to worry about "doing the right thing" and instead they just follow their morals and their ethics and end up doing what is right.
How much wrong has been done throughout history in the name of religion. I'm not against religion, I'm against the abuse of religion in the name of good. | |
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Diomedes
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3185 Posts
| | 05/03/2006 11:15 AM |
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Originally posted by Sulaco
quote:
Originally posted by griffrat
And, to add insult to injury they think they are "doing the right thing".....
In my experience most wrong people do.
Most other people never seem to worry about "doing the right thing" and instead they just follow their morals and their ethics and end up doing what is right.
Which is another reason why I love Dostoevsky (not to be too off topic).
Anyhow, while I'd like to say they're free to have their own wacky opinions, they just have done so in such poor taste. Rallying in a town square is one thing, picketing a funeral is quite another.
Funerals have always been one of man's only truly sacred traditions. Burial is one of the only two things in life you just can't do on your own, you need someone else to do it for you. Getting that screwed up is aesthetically revolting...
You've chosen to swear them out Sulaco (and please don't do that too often) but I'd actually go with a different term. It's a real shame to me that the word "Idiot" lost it's meaning. It didn't used to just mean, "stupid". It comes from Greek roots and means something closer to "private" or "occluded" in terms of your relation to the world. The total lack of empathy, understanding, or even care that they don't understand makes me feel more like these people are "idiots", trapped in their own mental realm and divorced from society.
Anyhow, I'm going to go be sick now.
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kgradert13
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| | 05/03/2006 12:00 PM |
| I've despised them for years now. They've really only recently got a lot of national press, but they've been pulling stuff all over the country on a smaller scale for years. The one that really irked me was the below, related to the Matthew Sheppard beating in Wyoming. Matthew Sheppard was a homosexual that was beaten to death by a pair of assailants, who allegedly targeted him due to Matthew being homosexual. (more information available on Wikipedia for those who don't remember)
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The anti-gay Fred Phelps and his supporters picketed Shepard's funeral as well as the trial of his assailants. They displayed signs typical of their protests, with slogans such as "Matt Shepard rots in Hell", "AIDS Kills Fags Dead" and "God Hates Fags". Phelps later made attempts to gain city permits in Cheyenne and Casper, Wyoming to build a monument "of marble or granite 5 or 6 feet in height" on which will be a bronze plaque bearing Shepard's picture and the words: "MATTHEW SHEPARD, Entered Hell October 12, 1998, in Defiance of God's Warning: 'Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind; it is abomination.' Leviticus 18:22."
As much as I despise this "church" and all that they stand for, their right to protest is one I'm forced to support. It's unfortunate that people (term used very loosely)like these exist, but their right to protest is guaranteed by our consitution in the US, and if we stop them now, who decides who else is then too controversial to protest? Where would it stop? | |
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Diomedes
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| | 05/03/2006 12:05 PM |
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Originally posted by kgradert13 but their right to protest is guaranteed by our consitution in the US, and if we stop them now, who decides who else is then too controversial to protest? Where would it stop?
None of the rights in the constitution are unlimited or universal. You can't yell "fire" in a movie theatre under freedom of speech (as the classic example goes).
As I mentioned, there's a time and a place for a protest. I don't think protesting a funeral is the right time or place, and I think that we, as a society, will not be hindered by curtailing this behavior.
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kgradert13
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| | 05/03/2006 12:11 PM |
| Unfortunately, they are not causing a "clear and present danger" by protesting at a funeral. Disrepectful yes, shameful, of course, but it is not akin to the "Fire in a crowded theater ruling".
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Diomedes
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3185 Posts
| | 05/03/2006 12:18 PM |
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Originally posted by kgradert13
Unfortunately, they are not causing a "clear and present danger" by protesting at a funeral. Disrepectful yes, shameful, of course, but it is not akin to the "Fire in a crowded theater ruling".
Hmm, well that's not exactly how I intended my example to be taken. I mentioned that as one of many many ways that our rights are not absolute. Similarly, if I print falsehoods about a person that cause them financial hardship, I can be sued for libel. This is another limitation on my freedoms of speech.
I really don't intend to debate the point and I'll leave you to your own views, but from my readings of the federalist papers on up, these rights were intended to protect the individual from the state. Not to be used to bully others. I stand 100% by any law prohibiting this kind of behavior, and moreover, will sleep well tonight believing myself a firm upholder of individual freedom.
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Ragecage
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| | 05/03/2006 12:38 PM |
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Originally posted by kgradert13
Unfortunately, they are not causing a "clear and present danger" by protesting at a funeral. Disrepectful yes, shameful, of course, but it is not akin to the "Fire in a crowded theater ruling".
I believe that a more appropriate civil rights analogy would be "Your right to swing your fist ends at my face." When your right to speech, or anything else, for that matter, infringes upon other peoples rights, you should be able to effectively file a civil grievance. | |
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Count Dooku
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| | 05/03/2006 12:59 PM |
| I dont want to change the subject to much..But I know you cant yell "Fire" in a the theatre because it can create harm to others.
But you also cant yell out "This movie Sux!" or "Hey Lady your Fat!" or talk loudly at all...Because you are disrupting some form of gathering (a movie or play).
Isnt a funeral also some kind of organized event? Cant the law force them to disperse? | |
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| | 05/03/2006 1:17 PM |
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I dont want to change the subject to much..But I know you cant yell "Fire" in a the theatre because it can create harm to others.
But what if I yell THEATRE!!! during a fire? [:p] | |
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kgradert13
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| | 05/03/2006 2:33 PM |
| ALl you are guilty of MAYBE if you yell in a theatre is disturbing the peace, and that is a huge maybe. You can be kicked out, as they have in their rules and regulations somewhere about people being disruptive and their actions allowed.
Public protests are a little bit different however. Unfortunately, this allows groups with agendas beyond the norm to have their say as well, nazi's, KKK, and other hate groups being examples of those. | |
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kgradert13
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| | 05/03/2006 2:33 PM |
| ALl you are guilty of MAYBE if you yell in a theatre is disturbing the peace, and that is a huge maybe. You can be kicked out, as they have in their rules and regulations somewhere about people being disruptive and their actions allowed.
Public protests are a little bit different however. Unfortunately, this allows groups with agendas beyond the norm to have their say as well, nazi's, KKK, and other hate groups being examples of those. | |
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dagonet
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| | 05/03/2006 2:44 PM |
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Originally posted by Count Dooku
I dont want to change the subject to much..But I know you cant yell "Fire" in a the theatre because it can create harm to others.
But you also cant yell out "This movie Sux!" or "Hey Lady your Fat!" or talk loudly at all...Because you are disrupting some form of gathering (a movie or play).
Sure you can--other people will just yell at you, throw popcorn, etc. And if you prove to be too much of a disturbance, the theater management can remove you. But (loudly) complaining about a movie isn't actually illegal.
Regarding Phelps and the state laws to stop his protests, I believe those laws are currently beingh challenged by the ACLU. As they should be. Utterly vile as Phelps is, his right to peacably assemble is ABSOLUTELY protected by the First Amendment, every bit as much as your right or mine to protest outside his church during a sermon. If you start chipping away at those rights in order to protect people's sensibilities and feelings (as opposed to their safety), you end up with something that looks a lot more like, say, an Islamic theocracy than America. As far as I'm concerned, the freedoms which define this country (and which, as the Republicans are so fond of reminding us, so many people have fought and died for) are too valuable to be thrown away over someone like Phelps.
What I don't understand, is why, during one of those protests, someone hasn't just walked up to Phelps and broken his jaw. What jury would convict?
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IanB
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3112 Posts
| | 05/03/2006 4:16 PM |
| | The guy is an ass, but the rights of assembly and free speech are inviolable, and nothing he is doing is illegal, or should be illegal. | |
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| | 05/03/2006 4:46 PM |
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Originally posted by Count Dooku
But you also cant yell out "This movie Sux!" or "Hey Lady your Fat!" or talk loudly at all...Because you are disrupting some form of gathering (a movie or play).
No, you can't yell it because you are on private property. On thier grounds, the movie theatre has the right to ask that you comply with thier rules. Too many assume that you ALWAYS have free speech. That's not the case at all. That's why you will notice these protestors are most likely smart enough to do so on public property or locations that will not complain they are there.
I agree that these people are despicable to the core. In fact them just exisiting makes me lose faith just a little more in humanity. But I support thier right to say what they believe. | |
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Fearfrost
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| | 05/03/2006 5:05 PM |
| The fact that they are protesting on public property gives them the right to act this way. As long as their actions do not cause a public hazard or rise to the leve of riotous behavior they are covered by the 1st amendment.
After reading more about these people I have found they are even less about "the will of God" as they claim be all about money. Most of the family are lawyers and they have sued when their rights are infringed upon. Basically they are picking on these poor people because they know it will cause a viseral reaction and they can turn a profit from it.
The worst thing people can do they already are and that is give these people free press and a stage to spew their hate. I feel terrible for the families that have to endure their "protests" during a time of mourning. I applaud the Riders for trying to run interferance and give these fallen soldiers the respect they deserve.
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Felagund
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| | 05/03/2006 5:35 PM |
| One of my friends sent me an article a month ago about this same topic. He also included this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps
Fred Phelps is like a living embodiment of hatred. It's disgusting.
Maybe what they're doing shouldn't be a criminal violation, but it's certainly a civil offense. It's harrassment in the worst way. | |
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314 Posts
Netherlands
| | 05/03/2006 6:20 PM |
| Even if these people have a right to voice their opinion (even in this way), this is no excuse for the disrespectful way they behave towards other people. With the right to express an opinion comes the responsibility to not abuse this right.
My country (the netherlands) has seen two political murders in the last few years. It would take too long to explain the hows and why's and the different (devastating) repercussions this has had on our community here, but one of the things that is most striking is that more and more people are abusing their freedom of speech, or at least are really stretching the boundaries of civil debate. A lot of people (including more prominent figures) are saying the most idiotic, hurtful, short-sighted, narrowminded and most of all damaging things while quite vocally claiming to use their freedom of speech. A lot of these people just don't seem to realise that having this right and being right are two entirely different things.
I am not claiming to know things better: on the contrary, I am quite aware that I don't have all the answers. But at least I try to listen to every other voice instead of just hearing my own.
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FeranEldritchKnight
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| | 05/03/2006 7:06 PM |
| | While we're talking about rights, doesn't the family have the right to bury their son in peace? More appropriately, I feel they should pass laws to prevent disruptive behavior within a certain distance of a funeral home or cemetary. If someone had protested a funeral I had attended, I probably would have lost my temper. Dealing with the loss of a loved one is hard enough without ignorant bigots making it harder.[V] | |
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Sulaco
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| | 05/05/2006 9:51 AM |
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The guy is an ass, but the rights of assembly and free speech are inviolable, and nothing he is doing is illegal, or should be illegal.
Not necessarily. The funeral is a private function and the cemetary is private property. Whether it is illegal or not does not alter the fact that they are assholes and it is in very, very bad taste. We can respect their right to protest while at the same time having no respect for them as people.
Same holds true for the KKK and Nazis. While I abhor them and would happily see them all surgically removed from the genepool we must respect their right to assemble. One of the prices we pay for an ostensibly free society is that people who say things we don't want to hear are also allowed the freedom to speak. | |
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griffrat
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| | 05/05/2006 10:19 AM |
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Originally posted by Sulaco
Not necessarily. The funeral is a private function and the cemetary is private property.
They get around this by standing on the road or in the ditch where the city or the state owns the road up to the cemetary....crappy none the less.....
Nice read on Phelps from Wikipedia....I am going to have to give the wife some grief considering that she and Fredie are alums of the same University...... | |
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K Rich
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| | 05/05/2006 2:59 PM |
| That's the reason that I hate people nowadays. That's fine, you've got the right to protest and everything, but these soldiers fought and died FOR YOU. They paid the ultimate sacrifice for their cause, and I back them 100%. We've lost thousands of good men and women to gain and keep our freedoms, and to keep those of others from being distroyed. Asses like this guy need to be taught a lesson, and I've got the perfect solution. Give them to the families of the departed soldiers, like me, who lost two cousins in Iraq. They'll learn to respect REAL fast.
There is a BIG difference between the right of free speech, and complete mockery of what this country and it's people stand for. If it weren't for these soldiers, these people would be blown up for their beliefs. Sometimes, it's too bad we can't do that here. | |
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griffrat
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| | 05/05/2006 4:34 PM |
| K Rich, Your feelings are heard and you have my utmost sympathy for the loss of your cousins.
Zeb's (other maxmini member) brother in law just got back and I was worried for him and wishing I was there with him just to watch his six. See, that is the thing that wacko nut jobs will never understand is the reasons that you point out. These people are not the ones that have heard the news nor felt the pain and the sickness in the pit of your gut when you hear that someone you know isn't coming back. Freedom isn't free. I know it is cliche. But it is true.
I can stomach the reasons they can say things that make the idea of drinking my own vomit a good one. By the simple summary of Voltaire, "I might not agree with what you say. But, I will defend the right for you to say it."
It is sick the way they think and the logic the use. and it makes me angrier, than few people can imagine. But violence on them, in thier mind only justifies the course of action they have taken.
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| | 05/06/2006 6:21 AM |
| Free Speech is all well and good. I my self have helped the ACLU in the form of funding. I will defend the Right of any American to state his peace. But the KKK would not protest the Funeral of a Black or Jewish Soldier. Larry Flynt wouldn't print a cartoon that claimed American Servicemen and Women were automatically going to Hell.
What this man is doing is dispicable... no it's worse, I don't know the word for it. It is Horrible in a way that I can't conjure. In a way I would say it is Evil, real and palpable.
His statements are an Abomination. An Abomination against God, against Military Service and against National Identity. While I am thankful that such a mechanism does not exist, if it did, he should have his Citizenship Revoked. At the very least he should be forced to aply for citizenship. Unfortunately there is no certification for Humanity.
I have both close friends and family in warzones at this time, people I love. I want them to come home, safely, but am well aware that they may not come home at all. Should that unfortunate event occur I would not sit well with these "protests".
This man is a publicity grabbing hack. Roosterd' up so as to draw attention to his personal agenda, one most people couldn't give 2 shakes for, by blindsiding grieving families at a moment of severe emotional stress. All in the hopes that anyone will pay attention to his Moraly Deficient agenda.
Once, long ago, an actress named Jane Fonda travelled to Vietnam (the Northern part at the time) and appologized, on behalf of all Americans, for our involvement in their civil war. For this she earned the Hatred of an entire generation of servicemen. While she was wrong, moreso for speaking for people that never asked her to do so, she believed that what she was doing was right. At the very least the people she wronged were still living (the majority at least). She could offer an appology to any one she had offended. The people wronged here will not be able to get such an apology. What Mr. Phelps has done is far, far worse than what Ms. Fonda did. Mr. Phelps gets about as much sympathy as a 9/11 hijacker in my book.
It is fortunate that my State Legislature will probobly inforce some form of restriction on Mr. Phelp's brand of protest. For if not, and I get within arms reach of this Prick, I Will beat him within an inch of his life. When I go before the Judge I Will plead Guilty without Contest and will happily spend some time in Jail. This guy has it coming. Let that be my Free Speech. Some people are just Evil, nothing much to be done about it. We have to accept it, mark them, and move on.
In the end Mr. Phelps will have to stand before God, who I fervently believe will find him wanting. Until then we will have to tolerate this piece of flotsam all to aware that this guy is a mouthpiece of the Devil.
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griffrat
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3507 Posts
| | 05/06/2006 12:48 PM |
| Ya know before this story Fred was just kinda the local oddity/idiot. Widely ignored as the group is really small and the trash that coomes out of his sewer for a mouth is just trying to get an emotional rise out of people.
I assure you that PotRB, your feelings are shared by a wide majority of this area (Kansas City and larger metro) and have been forsome time. Interesting that you speak of Jane Fonda. About three months ago a Vietnam Vet at a book siging went up to her and spit tobacco juice (beechnut I think). The judge at the trial sentenced him to a fine and a time served. So, there is some justice and sometimes you have to wait until things have calmed down before the time is right.
Not that I warrant or condone violence. You would now where I stand on the use of force if you knew me in real life a little better. A wise man once told me that every dog has his day, and good dogs have two. Fred will have his cumuppens someday. And it will probably be at the hands of a Gulf War Vet (I or II) would be my guess. As for some strange reason Vets of all wars seem never to forget..... | |
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| | 05/07/2006 3:37 AM |
| As far as I know Jane hasn't ever apologized for that incident. There are a whole bunch of folks that'd cackle at the chance to chud her (which is really gross). I know a few, I might pass that on.
I was a little bent out of shape during my earlier post. I'd only just seen that CNN footage earlier in the evening. Normally I am not a violent guy. But occasionally the best way to get something settled is to send two guys "outback" to do it the old fashioned way. I really would spend a couple of days in jail for the chance to pop this nutjob in the mouth.
I feel for you, having this loon in the neighborhood. But I suppose every village needs an Official Idiot. Something tells me this guy's publicity seeking will be his undoing, he will cross a line where some Judge (probobly a vet) will get the extreme pleasure of sending him to a place where the type of behavior that has him so worked up is commonplace. | |
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maijstral
Underboss
2105 Posts
| | 05/07/2006 8:09 PM |
| he actually worse than you think, How do you think he funds his 'protests'.
He incites people to threaten or attack him and his group,especially the children,then sues them or whomever he can.
He was here at Southern Illinois University at Carbondale a few months back preaching his hate and trying to get someone to throw a punch or 'deny him his right to free speech'. If some poor student had taken the bait do you think he would have sued the broke student... no he would have sued the university for allowing it to happen. | | | |
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AesophDarkfable
Warlord
5628 Posts
| | 05/07/2006 8:27 PM |
| Phelps is disgusting in alot of ways, but he is not a dumb man. What's very interesting is that he was a civil rights attorney.
A colleague of mine is studying them for dissertation and the stuff he has is amazing. There is only one non family member in the group if I recall correctly (the man who made the Hatemongers documentary) and a vast amount of them are lawyers. They are always well behaved at their protests and have a very set strategy that they go about. Their claims and goals are interesting from a research perspective as they are not a traditional social movement in any sense of the word since they are not actually trying to ellicit change, but feel that they must do this as "real" Christians. And if the Freedom Riders (the counter protest group) claims of their size are legit they are also the only movement I know that has a larger organized counter-movement than the movement itself.
As for the right to protest. Its there. Funeral or no-funeral, tasteful or not, they are within the law and work very hard to make sure they are. I am very much against states (my own included) creating laws to disallow this form or any form of free speech and organized protest.
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kyrin
Commander
3171 Posts
| | 05/07/2006 11:37 PM |
| Actually, ADF, I'm not sure how smart they *are*. One of these days, they may well protest at the wrong soldier's funeral. That is playing with fire in a BIG way.
Yet another example of why I feel that the most common facial expression on Judgement Day will not be despair, but surprise...
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hazel monday
Warrior
338 Posts
Baltimore MD
| | 05/08/2006 10:38 PM |
| This guy needs a taste of his own medicine. Not only should people protest him when he's spreading his hate filled message, they should protest him from the moment he leaves his house to the moment he crawls back to it. He should be picketed when he's trying to buy socks or return his videos to blockbuster.
If there was any justice in this world this guy would never get a moments peace. For the rest of his miserable worthless life all he deserves to see are angry faces and cardboard protest signs. I'd like to see how well he'd deal with that. | |
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