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Arandae
Sergeant
713 Posts
    
UK
 | | 05/21/2006 8:35 AM |
| I'll probably be (deservedly) shot down for this [:o)], but... some recent posts have got me wondering whether maxminis is becoming a little less tolerant towards complaining than it was. We get complaints, complaints against the complainers (and this might even be seen as complaining about those who complain about complainers [)] - but that isn't actually what I'm trying to get at.) I think complaining is fine, as long as people aren't excessively rude. In fact, finding out what crazy things annoy people is a big reason why I come here.
However, some posts refer to some sort of mythical hard core of (RPG) complainers, who are somehow guaranteed to complain about anything and everything. And, getting to the bit that bothers me, many of these posts seem to use this as a way of characterising this unspecified 'group' of posters as being contrary - of not sticking to the unified maxminis viewpoint. (For example: "maxminis said this and when WotC delivered it maxminis said something else - you people are so fickle!".)
All I see on maxminis is some people consistently expressing one view, which happens to be the exact opposite of the view expressed by another group. I've no problem with that - it's fun! We have diverse tastes which are interesting to read about. WotC staff must know that, and surely expect to read conflicting views on every topic - so I don't see the problem with not having an agreed maxminis viewpoint.
I wonder, though, whether some people will be put off from posting their actual views, for fear of being 'hit' by the sarcasm stick - characterised unfairly as being contrary and told off for not sticking to what maxminis has allegedly 'agreed on' as the correct view.
Does anyone feel put off from posting complaints? Am I imagining this? Am I just a moaning whiner who should quit crying and get on with the complaining (I think I know the answer to that one, but go ahead and tell me anyway - I can take it [)].) | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 05/21/2006 8:44 AM |
| | No. You are absolutly right. Thank you for speaking up. Well put. :) | |
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zoroaster100
Sergeant
873 Posts
| | 05/21/2006 9:04 AM |
| Arandae, I'm glad you posted this. I have noticed a rift recently between those pleased with WotDQ and those displeased with it.
However, for myself, I intend to (politely) continue to mention when I strongly disagree or dislike something WOTC did or failed to do and to offer constructive criticism, hoping that I can do my tiny little part to show WOTC what I and others like me want from DDM, and what we don't want. I realize there are others who want something different from DDM. But I think my needs and wants are pretty typical of D&D DMs running published adventures in Greyhawk or Forgotten Realms, and therefore similar to the needs and wants of many other customers.
I also intend to keep posting praise when I am pleased with a particular decision by WOTC (such as giving us the large green dragon in this set or the marilith and ice devil in the next set). I believe that the DDM designers want to please as many customers as much as possible, for as long as possible, because that will be more rewarding for them, financially and otherwise. And I hope they remain open to knowing when different sections of their customer base are happy or unhappy with a particular decision or direction they take.
They are trying to please skirmish-focused customers, RPG-focused customers, and subsets within those two groups. That's not an easy job. But I figure that job is made easier, not harder, by the availability of instant access to customer reactions on the internet. If people in other subsets of the customer base get annoyed that others are not equally pleased or equally displeased with a particular miniature produced by WOTC, that is their problem. | |
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jacksonm
Warlord
5560 Posts
River City
| | 05/21/2006 9:06 AM |
| | As long as it's constructive criticism and complaining it's all good. [:D] | | | |
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tirwin
Sergeant
462 Posts
North Dakota, USA
| | 05/21/2006 9:34 AM |
| I think a wide scope of opinions is great, just do it in good taste. A polite and constructive critism is a good thing, and helps WotC develope their product. It's no different than using mail in cards for consumer feedback, except they now have instant feedback (a good thing).
The main thing is respect and treating each other as you would wish to be treated.
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greyhaze
Warlord
7715 Posts
| | 05/21/2006 9:38 AM |
| 'long as there's a forum, ain't nobody gonna stop me from complainin.
Complaints also stir conversation, conversation is also what the boards are all about. I don't see it stopping any time soon. | |
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wicked cool
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2151 Posts
| | 05/21/2006 9:57 AM |
| | i agree complelety. nothing wrong with complaining. if i order food at a restaurant and it doesnt come as advertised i complain. if i get a brand new car/whatever and there is something wrong i complain. i complain about gas prices every day . i shop at stores with the best prices and go in demanding a certain service. this game is no different. complaining/demands can only bring about change which is usually good. Ive said it before and i hear about it at my job all the time. the consumer is always right | |
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bigbadjon
Sergeant
546 Posts
| | 05/21/2006 10:07 AM |
| | I think complaining is fine when its constructive. However the complainers on this board constantly cross the line from complaining to whining. I do not think this is the place to whine. | |
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Benimoto
Underboss
1125 Posts
| | 05/21/2006 10:07 AM |
| | But for those of you saying "but we're complaining to WoTC", consider that you're complaining to maybe 4 WoTC people and 3000-4000 maxminis members. | |
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glumag
Warlord
5968 Posts
| | 05/21/2006 10:09 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by greyhaze
'long as there's a forum, ain't nobody gonna stop me from complainin.
Complaints also stir conversation, conversation is also what the boards are all about. I don't see it stopping any time soon.
Hear Hear!
and well said Arandae!
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nyjastul69
Commander
2731 Posts
Rhode Island
| | 05/21/2006 10:09 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Benimoto
But for those of you saying "but we're complaining to WoTC", consider that you're complaining to maybe 4 WoTC people and 3000-4000 maxminis members.
But those 4 WotC employee's are the ones that you want to be heard by. | |
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PaSquall
Underboss
1399 Posts
| | 05/21/2006 10:20 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by bigbadjon
I think complaining is fine when its constructive. However the complainers on this board constantly cross the line from complaining to whining. I do not think this is the place to whine.
There's a very thin line between complaining and whining, and it's a very subjective matter. Everybody has his own opinion... | |
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Dordledum
Commander
3463 Posts
Netherlands
| | 05/21/2006 11:05 AM |
| I think it is a part of the freedom of speech to state ones opinion. If that opinion includes not being happy with a figure, a paintjob, a decision, or wwhatever, one should always be free to state this opinion.
I do agree however, that this opinion or complaint should always be posted in a respectful and polite manner. Everyone is entitled to tell anyone here that he (for example) does not want a sorcerer on a huge black dragon miniature, without being called a whiner.
Differences in opinion is what makes discussion, and this being the General discussion forum, that doesn't sound so bad myself. Complaints are IMHO just a form of stating ones opinion of displeasure. One should always be able to complain!
I think I made my point, I agree with the original poster (Arandae) on all points and want to thank him for bringing up the matter. A slight atmosphere of hostility has been present on the boards for about the last two months or something and I do not wish this trend to prevail.
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robby
Sergeant
918 Posts
| | 05/21/2006 12:07 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by bigbadjon
I think complaining is fine when its constructive. However the complainers on this board constantly cross the line from complaining to whining. I do not think this is the place to whine.
I think this is the exact attitude that Arandae is posting about. God forbid you don't toe the party line, else you're a whiner.
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Benimoto
Underboss
1125 Posts
| | 05/21/2006 12:27 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by nyjastul69
quote:
Originally posted by Benimoto
But for those of you saying "but we're complaining to WoTC", consider that you're complaining to maybe 4 WoTC people and 3000-4000 maxminis members.
But those 4 WotC employee's are the ones that you want to be heard by.
Right, but considering that each post on the front page has (by a quick look) from 200-400 people viewing it, I question whether it's a good method to get your voice heard by the people that matter.
Anyhow, I have no particular problem with people expressing negative opinions. The problem I see is that rude posters are giving all complainers a bad name.
If you have a complaint, make your opinion known politely and constructively. | |
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Kunimatyu
Sergeant
725 Posts
| | 05/21/2006 12:33 PM |
| Nah, I don't feel pressured not to complain. And if I have a problem, I will complain, simple as that. If nobody complained, WotC wouldn't know what needed fixing.
Now, I -would- prefer to avoid the "omgwtfbbq this is horrible I am totally quitting DDM now" sort of stuff, unless the subject in question really is absolutely horrible, like a set with more than 0 Gnomes, for instance. | |
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Rolland
Sneak
105 Posts
| | 05/21/2006 12:50 PM |
| If I may, I think the reason some people are complaining about complainers (so to speak), is that when we see groups of people and long threads asking WoTC for specific minis and then those request are then actually granted other vocal groups tend to complain overmuch in regards to what other people had previously asked for.
This is annoying to some of us not because "those people aren't toeing the party line", but because many of us don't feel the need to complain about some minis in the set that don't particularly suit us solely for the fact that they don't particularly suit us or our needs. I guess what I'm saying is why try to rain on the parade of others who got what they asked for?
Just to be clear there are several minis in every set I don't particularly care for or find usefull, but I don't find the need to come on the boards and slag those minis or those who like them or say that is was stupid of WoTC to make them when they should be making X mini(s) instead.
By no means am I saying you shouldn't have the right to express your opinions.
I'm not trying to pick a fight here, I just think the reaction in responce to the complainers is one of a negativity fatigue. | |
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Thenameless
Warlord
12483 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 05/21/2006 1:06 PM |
| | Complaining is not such a bad thing. To complain in a constructive way would be better. It doesn't help Wizards to just say "I hate X." But, it might help if one said "I hate X, because of this....And I'd rather they did this...." | |
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Rolland
Sneak
105 Posts
| | 05/21/2006 1:09 PM |
| Exactly! Thenameless put it more tactfully, succinctly and exactly into words what I was trying to say.
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scruffydude7
Underboss
1196 Posts
Rock Hill, SC
| | 05/21/2006 1:37 PM |
| Complaining is fine as long as it is respectful. Constructive criticism can help any company. Unrestrained bashing does not.
I also agree that contrast within the community is a good thing. I don't mind people voicing opinions differing from my own. They have every right to do so. It doesn't dissuade me from posting my opinion at all.
In fact, I'm probably more likely to voice my opinion when it is not in agreement the general consensus. | |
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Geddonight
Skirmisher
18 Posts
| | 05/21/2006 1:58 PM |
| This community seems far better at not crucifying people who complain than other, more official boards.
Forums are all about finding out who agrees and disagrees with your point of view. Debate helps you (and anyone else reading the thread) revitalize and reshape that point of view, taking in and accepting or retorting counter-arguments. Hence we have growth of insight and stronger opinions.
This, however, can most readily be accomplished only through polite discourse. "STFU you stoopid whiner" posts don't add any to the conversation.
Of course, there's also the hope that someone from WotC will notice the said complaint (especially if it's popular enough) and adjust their policy/mini que accordingly.
I agree that any criticism leveled at WotC should provide a best alternative. For instance, the "we hate mounted minis" group should specify what they're content to get instead, as well as justify their preference with 1) reasons for their like/dislike and 2) alternatives for WotC to produce. For instance, those who don't like the Sorceror on Huge Black usually say "I just wanted a Huge riderless black." Fair enough. | |
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7908 Posts
Sector 2814
| | 05/21/2006 2:25 PM |
| I for one have no problem with complaining, only certain actions that arise form it. I was slighlty annoyed by the Chainmail equiv threads that kept getting bumped, only to get bumped. Trust me, people saw them. No on is missing it, they're just not responding. WotC knows quite how you feel. Same thing with gnomes. I even want more Gnomes, but I won't bump a thread just to get it on the "first page' so to speak. Shoe and lidda know what we want, and I also know they are probably decent people who want to give us what we want. It just may take time.
So express your opinion, do it politely, and expect change to take time. | |
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Ghost
Skirmisher
19 Posts
| | 05/21/2006 2:48 PM |
| I have no problem with people expressing negative views on a/few minis that they aren't pleased with.
The only things I don't like personally are people whining whenever there is a figure that they personally don't have a use for. We all know that there are going to be figures made that don't fit into our campaigns and aren't useful to us because we all know WotC are trying to please a broad variety of people in several different campaign styles. It happens, its expected and it is necessary whether or not we like it.
Constructive criticism however is great. Valuable feedback and all. | |
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kgradert13
Sergeant
909 Posts
| | 05/21/2006 3:24 PM |
| I find the complaining about complaining far more annoying personally.
There are 1000's of players, of course some people are going to want X mini instead of Y mini. Complaining is natural. | |
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dariustad
Warlord
6322 Posts
| | 05/21/2006 3:51 PM |
| | No one had better take away my right to complain! I'll *really* start complaining if that happens! [:o)] | |
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zoroaster100
Sergeant
873 Posts
| | 05/21/2006 5:46 PM |
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Originally posted by Ghost
The only things I don't like personally are people whining whenever there is a figure that they personally don't have a use for. We all know that there are going to be figures made that don't fit into our campaigns and aren't useful to us because we all know WotC are trying to please a broad variety of people in several different campaign styles. It happens, its expected and it is necessary whether or not we like it.
I have to disagree with this. I personally do realize and accept that a number of minis in each set will be things I don't have a use for. That doesn't even bother me much, as long as most of what I get in each set is stuff I can use.
When I see a slot going to something I have no use for, and things I really want not getting made, then I feel I should express my opinion. That way I can express what things I don't have a use for and what things I do have a use for, informing WOTC of what I'd prefer to see in the future. Do I expect WOTC only to make minis that I find useful? No. But I think there is a greater chance that WOTC will include the ones I prefer if I, and other like-minded people, state our preference.
Also, there is always the chance when I explain why I don't find something useful, that I'll learn in the ensuing discussions of an alternate non-obvious use for a mini which I might not have thought of. | |
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ChristopherGroves
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cerberuspuppy
Warrior
288 Posts
| | 05/21/2006 6:16 PM |
| I think I'm in agreement with the general sentiment here. Complaints are an important part of forums like this. If we do not complain, then WotC must assume we're happy with the status quo and keep it as is.
We complained about game balance, and now a year or so later, it's much better. We complained about paint jobs and distribution in WD, and while there might not have been time to turn things around for WDQ, I expect that these things will be improved for Blood War.
Complaints must of course be presented in an intelligent and civil manner. Otherwise, both WotC and the other posters will assume that the complainers are being idiots and/or pricks, and the complaints themselves will be dismissed.
It's just basic Sociology.
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zenthrus
Warlord
5132 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 05/21/2006 7:14 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by cerberuspuppy
Complaints must of course be presented in an intelligent and civil manner.
This is the kicker. There have been a number of complaint posts that weren't presented in an intelligent and/or civil manner.
Just stick with Merric's First rule and we'll all be fine [:D]
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3964 Posts
Adelaide
| | 05/21/2006 11:11 PM |
| Complaining helped get hellspike maps replaced. Complaining helped get fixed demongate maps for all. Complaning got a response for teh war drums paint jobs.
Constructive complaining is good.
Some do seem over zealous with the line for complaining and whining, but I wont complain about that righht now ;)
As said, it's all discussion, and thats what makes this a fun board. | |
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ksarchet
Sneak
144 Posts
| | 05/22/2006 2:22 AM |
| | Complaining is fine, and can be constructive. Saying "set A" sucks and I hate it because of a few minis that aren't exactly what you hoped for isn't nearly as helpful. (ie. This set doesn't have an Aboleth and a Nalfashnee, therefore it sucks.) belittles all the hard work and effort that goes into making the minis we suppoedly enjoy. There isn't a set in existence that I have liked every mini in the set. I expect that every set will have 6 to 10 minis I don't want. Complaining about the six to 10 specific minis is constructive. Set bashing doesn't seem nearly as helpful though and really does get to some of us. | |
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Prince o the Raven Banner
Sergeant
606 Posts
| | 05/22/2006 2:27 AM |
| I'm one of those that made the blanket statement, "gamers complain".
I get proven right daily.
Why do gamers complain?
They complain because they are also, frequently, perfectionists. Wanting perfection is why they play games that take more than 10 minutes to learn. Complaining is a vehicle to bring their games closer to their view of perfection.
When enough complaints coincide on the same issue perhaps a shift is created in the game design paradigm. So, complaints are a good thing. Keep in mind however that what YOU want may not be what is needed.
I for one will keep complaining, I am good at it.
I won't complain about mounted minis though, As I already complained when I didn't have them. [)]
Merric's policy allows complaining to be constructive. Which is why this place is great for complainers as well as gamers, who may or may not be the same people. | |
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Thenameless
Warlord
12483 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 05/22/2006 2:48 AM |
| | Complaining is fine for the boards, as long as no personal attacks are involved. Just don't complain to your dispatcher if you're a courier. | |
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Ghendar
Warlord
13069 Posts
Mud Lick, Kentucky
| | 05/22/2006 7:44 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by jacksonm
As long as it's constructive criticism and complaining it's all good. [:D]
I agree. However, sometimes people take it too far. If you complain too much you lose credibility and people just start thinking of you as a cranky, "crying wolf" type who should be ignored. | |
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WakeXX
Warlord
10152 Posts
Edinboro PA
| | 05/22/2006 7:47 AM |
| This thread sucks....[:p]
Seriously,I'll agree with the "as long as the complaining is constructive it's ok" sentiments. | | | |
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ChristopherGroves
Warlord
6093 Posts
| | 05/22/2006 8:21 AM |
| Complaining here ups your post count, therefore WakeXX and Ghendar and Glumag complain [)] ... seriously check out their post counts. Anyone with 5k posts you KNOW is a trouble-causing good-for-nothing wise-guys.
Arandae, I blame you (and not WakeXX) for this topic ...
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The gamers being perfectionists example is a good one ... I'd have gone a bit differently on that. Gamers like to change things. It isn't about perfection, it's just a built-in desire to change things. When gamers buy a new game, they read the book and after an hour ALREADY have one thing they are thinking about changing. It is simply a core part of their nature.
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As far as intolerance to complaints, I'm not sure there has been a decrease in tolerance. We've had one wobble around which there is/was a bunch of stress. If we take that away, everything is pretty even-keeled. We do have a bunch of relative new-comers here, and there's always a learning curve in regards to what is tolerated and what isn't. Takes a bit, but this is a tad different than most online forums.
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Arandae
Sergeant
713 Posts
UK
| | 05/22/2006 8:28 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by ChristopherGroves
Anyone with 5k posts you KNOW is a trouble-causing good-for-nothing wise-guys.
*Checks ChristopherGroves' post count - yep, above 5000.* So - you've unmasked yourself!
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quote:
Originally posted by ChristopherGroves
Arandae, I blame you (and not WakeXX) for this topic ...
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griffrat
Commander
3507 Posts
| | 05/22/2006 8:46 AM |
| Since change is really a constant and the hopes of guiding the change in a certain direction complaining is the action of direction of change. I know that back in the early days of the WotC boards I would state a complaint as constructive as I could with out to much emotion, also with as much proper grammer.
It seemed like this manner got results. But it was the impolite and flames that was something that I didn't want to participate in nor watch.
Here Merric's first rule is enforced. I don't mind the fact that since we all know this rule we are all forced to play nice when we complain.
So, while there is a fine line between constructive critisism and whinning. It is a line which only gets crossed on occasion. One of these main reasons tht it gets crossed is emotion. The emotion that we feel strongly about the topic of the complaint.
Since we are complaining about x, y, or z figure we now know who is going to be trading these figs. As I am sure that many people are aware there is a little trading going on around here from time to time. Complaints help drive this engine as well.
All in all as long as we are nice out on the play ground and no one is trying to pick a fight then it makes this place a better recess time....[:D]
Regardless I am still blamin Wake.....I am sure that he put Arandae up to this...[)]
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striderlotr
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| | 05/22/2006 8:55 AM |
| Complaining happens. Getting upset about it is pointless.
The thing that bothers me would be the following:
1. Complaining to the point of whining... ex. "I hate X!", 3 posts later "I still hate X!", several posts after that "I will always hate X!".Would you like some chees with that whine? If you don't like something, state what it is you don't like and stop whining about it.
2. Complaining that turns ugly. We have all seen several conversations that have degraded into a flame war or bashing... not so many in the past few months but for some of us old timers here it has got ugly in a few threads. There is no need for that and it does not help anyone.
I think it is fine to complain. I would actually encourage complaints if they were done in a postive manner with a eye towards finding a solution to the problem. Complianing just to bitch is pointless, but speaking your mind in a way that is looking for change or to better something is fine. | |
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| | 05/22/2006 10:23 AM |
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Originally posted by ChristopherGroves
Complaining here ups your post count, therefore WakeXX and Ghendar and Glumag complain [)] ... seriously check out their post counts. Anyone with 5k posts you KNOW is a trouble-causing good-for-nothing wise-guys.
I aint at 5000 yet Chris!!!
However, you have correctly deduced the exact purpose of my presence here on Maxminis. [:p] | |
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