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04/22/2007 1:00 PM  
Posted By gss_000 on 04/22/2007 10:35 AM
Not as far out as you think. If this was a Living Greyhawk game, 6 level 13 characters are APL 14. That would make Xykon CR only 5 lelvels higher. While it would meanthere is a good chance at least a character would die...

It's one thing for a party of 6 adventurers to face an encounter with EL 5 higher than their APL--that's bad, but manageable if the EL is high because of numbers of opponents.  A large party can handle larger numbers of opponents.  It's quite another for that same party to meet a single creature with a CR that beats the party's average level by 6.  A DM would have to be working with great restraint to avoid killing off at least one party member in that situation.

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04/22/2007 2:14 PM  
Posted By Teflon Jeff on 04/20/2007 8:36 AM
yeah, and I pronounce it Zi-Con

Rhymes with Icon.
Yup. Corim nailed it on the head. Etymologically Xy is always pronounced /zigh/ (sounds like sigh but with an initial /z/). Phonetic hard /k/ plus -on (like the word "on"). So, Xykon = zigh-con (which does rhyme with icon).

Any other pronunciation is wonky (and would lead to other wonky pronunciations like ksee-low-peh-hone-ee for xylophone).

As to the strip...silly PCs should actually take the BBEG's advice. Seriously. Go enjoy an adventure path or two (perhaps go on an expedition to the demonweb pits or something like that), level up a bit, acquire better loot...er, equipment, and then whoop Xykon upside the head. APL 14 vs. BBEG 20 +CR modifier for being a lich (IIRC +5) is just asking for a TPK.

Obviously Xykon is just playing with the OotS. Otherwise he could drop the Time Stop/Multiple Meteor Swarm lovin' and watch the good times roll.


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04/22/2007 2:36 PM  
Posted By Faragdar the Wise on 04/22/2007 1:00 PM

It's one thing for a party of 6 adventurers to face an encounter with EL 5 higher than their APL--that's bad, but manageable if the EL is high because of numbers of opponents.  A large party can handle larger numbers of opponents.  It's quite another for that same party to meet a single creature with a CR that beats the party's average level by 6.  A DM would have to be working with great restraint to avoid killing off at least one party member in that situation.


As I said, most likely one would die, but 6 on one even at that difference isn't as bad as one might think.  It's not necessarily instant death.  Here, it's from a template, too, and the type of template really affects things (I'd rather fight a 17th level wizard lich at 13 than a 24 HD half-fiend behir, the same CR).Â

Frankly, most of the time, if an encounter is just one guy, I find it less of a challenge than multiple opponents.  Don't get me wrong, it is a tough fight and there are close calls, but a well designed party can do it.

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04/23/2007 12:53 PM  
Heh. Roy fell down went boom. Actually he went splat, but whatever.


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04/23/2007 1:59 PM  
Oh yeah, an addendum to what I said before:

while 6 on 1 doable. 1 on 1 is suicide.

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04/23/2007 9:21 PM  
Well, I wasn't actually expecting the splat...I'm not expecting Roy's status to go unchanged for a great length of time.

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04/24/2007 6:12 AM  
Good guys have to die sometimes...!

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04/24/2007 3:56 PM  
As we're waiting to see what happens, I just thought I'd mention something unrelated to the current topic: V's gender.

So I was reading the 2nd printed volume and reading the Rich's notes on the section where V is turned into a lizard and they battle a black dragon. When he describes V, he uses he "he" pronoun throughout the section, where every other time before that he uses "he/she" or is ambiguous. Was this a telling mistake or laziness, for lack of a better word?


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04/24/2007 6:10 PM  
My guess, laziness.

No real evidence for the guess, but hey.

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04/25/2007 4:21 PM  
Posted By ShadowLord XT on 04/20/2007 6:34 PM
What 3 things are you talking about?

Now we kow Xykon's level. Can a band of 6 13th level PCs take on one 20th level lich (+ minions?)?


Xykon's reasonable listing of 3 things in the comic. Sorry if it came out wierd.

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04/26/2007 6:40 AM  
Roy's dead, but I think the pendant will have been broken in the fall. I think we are going to see Celia again.

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04/26/2007 12:12 PM  
hahahaha that last scene with the flumphs is classic...... love it when they bring back past jokes.

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04/26/2007 12:56 PM  
I do like the "Are there X's on the eyes" quote. Didn't we discuss something like that here before?

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04/26/2007 5:20 PM  
Posted By gss_000 on 04/26/2007 12:56 PM
I do like the "Are there X's on the eyes" quote. Didn't we discuss something like that here before?


Ya, I asked that because I wasn't sure if Nale was dead in one strip or not.

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04/26/2007 6:59 PM  
Posted By gss_000 on 04/24/2007 3:56 PM
As we're waiting to see what happens, I just thought I'd mention something unrelated to the current topic: V's gender.

So I was reading the 2nd printed volume and reading the Rich's notes on the section where V is turned into a lizard and they battle a black dragon. When he describes V, he uses he "he" pronoun throughout the section, where every other time before that he uses "he/she" or is ambiguous. Was this a telling mistake or laziness, for lack of a better word?


I have always thought Vaarsuvius was a guy since Roy called him "V-man" here:

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0009.html

I never really took the ambiguous gender jokes as leaving it up for speculation as to what gender Vaarsuvius was, I just saw it as making fun of androgynous elves in general.

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04/26/2007 9:16 PM  
Posted By gss_000 on 04/24/2007 3:56 PM
As we're waiting to see what happens, I just thought I'd mention something unrelated to the current topic: V's gender.

So I was reading the 2nd printed volume and reading the Rich's notes on the section where V is turned into a lizard and they battle a black dragon. When he describes V, he uses he "he" pronoun throughout the section, where every other time before that he uses "he/she" or is ambiguous. Was this a telling mistake or laziness, for lack of a better word?

There are other times when V is called a she, or feminine pronouns are used


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04/26/2007 11:18 PM  
Were these by the author or in the strip? I'm just trying to keep track. Thanks.

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04/28/2007 6:51 AM  
Another classic Belkar moment:

Hobgoblin: "I think theres' something in my eye."
Belkar: (sticks dagger in hobgoblin's eye) "Got it."

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04/30/2007 2:21 PM  
Yeah, that had me laughing for a good 10 seconds. then I had to quickly switch windows. Darn Supervisors...

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04/30/2007 9:29 PM  
ROFL!

Todays comic was great, 'EVIL: A Growth Industrty'.  Too funny oh and NASDAC Symbol: DOOM. hahahaha

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05/01/2007 10:03 AM  
I wonder if they have a local office I could apply at...

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05/02/2007 9:31 AM  
Using convicts, maybe not the best idea. As was once said, "Evil wil win because Good is stupid."

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05/02/2007 10:35 AM  
Posted By gss_000 on 05/02/2007 9:31 AM
Using convicts, maybe not the best idea. As was once said, "Evil wil win because Good is stupid."
Now, now.  Let's get our movie quotes right - "...now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."

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05/03/2007 7:27 AM  
Posted By gss_000 on 04/24/2007 3:56 PM
As we're waiting to see what happens, I just thought I'd mention something unrelated to the current topic: V's gender.

So I was reading the 2nd printed volume and reading the Rich's notes on the section where V is turned into a lizard and they battle a black dragon. When he describes V, he uses he "he" pronoun throughout the section, where every other time before that he uses "he/she" or is ambiguous. Was this a telling mistake or laziness, for lack of a better word?



Always thought V was a She, remember the episode that V and Haley shared a room and all the guys were listening in? But in my opinion all elves are "she".

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05/03/2007 9:05 AM  
Posted By Dordledum on 05/03/2007 7:27 AM
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 But in my opinion all elves are "she".

It's funny because it's true.

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05/04/2007 12:19 AM  
Last panel of today's strip: doesn't seem like a fair encounter.

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05/04/2007 12:43 PM  
Yeah, I almost feel bad for the Paladins...almost.

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05/04/2007 6:08 PM  
Do you think they're blue-blooded as well?

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05/05/2007 2:53 PM  
That's an awsome magic item.

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05/06/2007 8:45 AM  
I really don't want any GM to get ideas from this strip.

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05/07/2007 11:36 AM  
Oh man, I totally have some GREAT ideas now.

That strip is great, it's good to have evil genius Xykon back.

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05/07/2007 2:20 PM  
In some ways it is interesting seeing Xykon stop playing dumb and unleash. In other ways, it is terrible seeing the results when I am rooting for the other guys.

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05/07/2007 3:12 PM  
Posted By Corim Danex on 05/07/2007 2:20 PM

In other ways, it is terrible seeing the results when I am rooting for the other guys.

If Xykon and his army were easy to beat then it wouldn't mean much when the OOTS eventually win.



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05/07/2007 4:58 PM  
Posted By Corim Danex on 05/07/2007 2:20 PM
In some ways it is interesting seeing Xykon stop playing dumb and unleash. In other ways, it is terrible seeing the results when I am rooting for the other guys.

Check out the pne that just posted.  It might make you feel better.Â


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05/07/2007 6:29 PM  
Are there even bouncy balls in D&D? No magic, I mean just a plain bouncy ball. If so I would like to lauch a couple of those from a slingshot.
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05/07/2007 8:42 PM  
Oh, Lordy Lordy.

New OOTS is up.

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05/08/2007 8:43 AM  
I so want to pull that last panel for an avatar.

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05/08/2007 9:19 AM  
Posted By kyrin on 05/07/2007 8:42 PM
Oh, Lordy Lordy.

New OOTS is up.

I did NOT see that coming.

Get over there. Now. Thank me later.

Daaaaaaaaaaaaang.

JIM
aka kyrin
I have to agree.  Did not see that coming, and that's just sweet.  Chalk up one for the good guys.  Looks like Xykon's plan just went south in a big way.

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