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04/21/2008 11:14 AM  
Didn't read it, but saw the movie. I was thinking exactly of Jack Nicholson's character when I was mentioning successful labotomies.

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04/21/2008 6:56 PM  
Posted By Thenameless on 04/19/2008 11:01 PM
Basically, the idea is to make the guy want to serve normal jail time instead of using the whimpy insanity plea.

About the labotomy, I'm sure there are some neurosurgeons that could perform a successful one and kill the patient fairly reliably.


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04/22/2008 5:06 PM  
Well, you don't need a labotomy to do that.

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04/22/2008 6:05 PM  
Posted By Thenameless on 04/22/2008 5:06 PM
Well, you don't need a labotomy to do that.


trying to keep it humane here

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04/22/2008 7:27 PM  
Is capital punishment legal in West Virginia?

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04/22/2008 7:47 PM  
Nope

Though sometimes shooting someone and dragging them onto your property and telling the cops he was trying to kill you is....

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04/23/2008 1:44 AM  
I like that about the US. If someone threatens you on your property, you can just shoot him.

Lemme tell you about Canada's ridiculous laws. A house was empty because the family was on vacation. A thief decides to rob the house by braking in through the skylight. He jumps into the house by smashing through the skylight, slips and sprains/breaks his ankle on a puddle on the kitchen floor. He sues the homeowners for causing him to sprain/break his ankle on the grounds that their kitchen floor should have been clean and dry. He won. Good grief.

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04/23/2008 7:45 AM  
Posted By Thenameless on 04/23/2008 1:44 AM
I like that about the US. If someone threatens you on your property, you can just shoot him.

Lemme tell you about Canada's ridiculous laws. A house was empty because the family was on vacation. A thief decides to rob the house by braking in through the skylight. He jumps into the house by smashing through the skylight, slips and sprains/breaks his ankle on a puddle on the kitchen floor. He sues the homeowners for causing him to sprain/break his ankle on the grounds that their kitchen floor should have been clean and dry. He won. Good grief.


That sounds like something that happens in the US. If someone breaks into your house and gets mangled or killed, they got what they deserved.

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04/23/2008 9:11 AM  
I'm all for rehab if they show the potential.

But a lot of rehab can be done in prisons. So, why let them be free?

I understand you want to improve, and it was a mistake, but as they say, "You do the crime, you do the time."

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04/23/2008 10:25 AM  
Teflon's works too. There's no rehab like losing your freedom.

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04/23/2008 2:55 PM  
Posted By Wraithborne on 04/22/2008 7:47 PM
Nope

Though sometimes shooting someone and dragging them onto your property and telling the cops he was trying to kill you is....

lol.

That's something.

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04/23/2008 2:56 PM  
Posted By Thenameless on 04/23/2008 1:44 AM
I like that about the US. If someone threatens you on your property, you can just shoot him.

Lemme tell you about Canada's ridiculous laws. A house was empty because the family was on vacation. A thief decides to rob the house by braking in through the skylight. He jumps into the house by smashing through the skylight, slips and sprains/breaks his ankle on a puddle on the kitchen floor. He sues the homeowners for causing him to sprain/break his ankle on the grounds that their kitchen floor should have been clean and dry. He won. Good grief.
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04/23/2008 7:55 PM  
Posted By Thenameless on 04/23/2008 10:25 AM
Teflon's works too. There's no rehab like losing your freedom.


Just seems like nowadays it's too easy to get out when you plead insanity. tell 'em what they wanna hear for a while and presto, free to re-offend.

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04/23/2008 11:09 PM  
Posted By Pedro on 04/23/2008 2:56 PM
Posted By Thenameless on 04/23/2008 1:44 AM
I like that about the US. If someone threatens you on your property, you can just shoot him.

Lemme tell you about Canada's ridiculous laws. A house was empty because the family was on vacation. A thief decides to rob the house by braking in through the skylight. He jumps into the house by smashing through the skylight, slips and sprains/breaks his ankle on a puddle on the kitchen floor. He sues the homeowners for causing him to sprain/break his ankle on the grounds that their kitchen floor should have been clean and dry. He won. Good grief.
Unbelievable.



That's what I thought when I first heard it.

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04/23/2008 11:11 PM  
Posted By Wraithborne on 04/23/2008 7:55 PM
Posted By Thenameless on 04/23/2008 10:25 AM
Teflon's works too. There's no rehab like losing your freedom.


Just seems like nowadays it's too easy to get out when you plead insanity. tell 'em what they wanna hear for a while and presto, free to re-offend.


Exactly.  It's like they're making a joke out of the system.  You always hear about the defense counsel advising the client to say something stupid like his mom and dad used to beat him, and that led to the complex that led to the multiple homicide.  Gimme a break.

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04/24/2008 3:28 AM  
Posted By Thenameless on 04/23/2008 11:11 PM
Posted By Wraithborne on 04/23/2008 7:55 PM
Posted By Thenameless on 04/23/2008 10:25 AM
Teflon's works too. There's no rehab like losing your freedom.


Just seems like nowadays it's too easy to get out when you plead insanity. tell 'em what they wanna hear for a while and presto, free to re-offend.


Exactly.  It's like they're making a joke out of the system.  You always hear about the defense counsel advising the client to say something stupid like his mom and dad used to beat him, and that led to the complex that led to the multiple homicide.  Gimme a break.


But then they get to asylums, do they not?

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04/24/2008 8:57 PM  
A sentence for any mental illness is almost always softer than doing the time for the crime.

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04/24/2008 11:58 PM  
Posted By Pedro on 04/24/2008 3:28 AM
Posted By Thenameless on 04/23/2008 11:11 PM
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Posted By Thenameless on 04/23/2008 10:25 AM
Teflon's works too. There's no rehab like losing your freedom.


Just seems like nowadays it's too easy to get out when you plead insanity. tell 'em what they wanna hear for a while and presto, free to re-offend.


Exactly.  It's like they're making a joke out of the system.  You always hear about the defense counsel advising the client to say something stupid like his mom and dad used to beat him, and that led to the complex that led to the multiple homicide.  Gimme a break.


But then they get to asylums, do they not?


Yeah and then go along with treatment for a while and then tell the Dr. what he wants to hear then get out.

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04/25/2008 1:39 AM  
It makes you wonder if the criminals are smarter than the doctors. You'd think the doctors could come up with some kind of a screen that could let them know when a guy is faking his rehab or not.

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04/25/2008 7:21 AM  
Posted By Thenameless on 04/25/2008 1:39 AM
It makes you wonder if the criminals are smarter than the doctors. You'd think the doctors could come up with some kind of a screen that could let them know when a guy is faking his rehab or not.


For at least the first several of years they should assume they're all faking.

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04/25/2008 8:29 AM  
Posted By Wraithborne on 04/24/2008 11:58 PM
Posted By Pedro on 04/24/2008 3:28 AM
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Posted By Wraithborne on 04/23/2008 7:55 PM
Posted By Thenameless on 04/23/2008 10:25 AM
Teflon's works too. There's no rehab like losing your freedom.


Just seems like nowadays it's too easy to get out when you plead insanity. tell 'em what they wanna hear for a while and presto, free to re-offend.


Exactly.  It's like they're making a joke out of the system.  You always hear about the defense counsel advising the client to say something stupid like his mom and dad used to beat him, and that led to the complex that led to the multiple homicide.  Gimme a break.


But then they get to asylums, do they not?


Yeah and then go along with treatment for a while and then tell the Dr. what he wants to hear then get out.


They can't release you, if your diagnose is mental illness. That's incurable in most cases.

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04/25/2008 8:30 AM  
If you are a schizophrenic, you're srewed. No cure, just a little ease.

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04/27/2008 2:12 AM  
Posted By Wraithborne on 04/25/2008 7:21 AM
Posted By Thenameless on 04/25/2008 1:39 AM
It makes you wonder if the criminals are smarter than the doctors. You'd think the doctors could come up with some kind of a screen that could let them know when a guy is faking his rehab or not.


For at least the first several of years they should assume they're all faking.


Hopefully, medical technology advances enough so that they can tell from lesions in the brain whether a guy really has a mental problem or not.  I'd definitely treat a guy differently if he has a legit problem, but I still wouldn't let him out onto the streets and endanger the general public - that's not fair to the rest of the citizens.

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