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glumag
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 | | 05/22/2005 1:20 AM |
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glumag
Warlord
5968 Posts
| | 05/22/2005 1:20 AM |
| Although I agree 100% that it is in bad form to back out I think that as long as nothing was mailed or officially posted in the trades thread then I would have to say that no real harm was done; if there is a better offer that just got in under the wire there shouldn't be a problem making new arrangements. However it should be highly noted and passed along that the person backed out after agreeing that way some of us are aware and perhaps decide if trading with this person in the future would be wise.
Personaly I think that a verbal or writen agreement is as good as a hand-shake among men, and among men your word is your bond. | |
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WakeXX
Warlord
10131 Posts
Edinboro PA
| | 05/22/2005 1:23 AM |
| | yes,it's very bad form indeed...if someone did this to me I wouldn't trade with them again.If the trade is just in negotiations it's acceptable but after a trade is agreed and adresses are exchanged it's not ok to back out at that point in my book.If they lost the fig they were trading then I'd understand,but backing out just to do a slightly better deal is just rude.I've agreed to trades myself and then have alot better offers come in an hour or so later,I've always kept to the first deal.I tell the second person sorry i already agreed on a trade or if it's a spectacular deal,I usually have the minis to do that one as well,even if I have to pull stuff out of sets,I can always trade for it back!... | | | |
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Lab Monkey
Commander
4135 Posts
| | 05/22/2005 11:04 AM |
| Yes it is definitely poor form. When a trade is being negotiated, I say anything goes.
However, once both side have confirmed a deal and exchanged addresses, I'd consider it rude to back out. | |
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The Great
Choco Monster
Ghendar
Warlord
11197 Posts
The Dark and Forbidding Lands of The Necromancer.
| | 05/22/2005 12:53 PM |
| | My initial reaction was mild annoyance and I just kinda blew it off. I did tell the other trader that it was not a good idea to agree to and then back out of a trade and that other Maxminis members would not be as forgiving as I. | |
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WakeXX
Warlord
10131 Posts
Edinboro PA
| | 05/22/2005 2:48 PM |
| Yeah,I'd be slightly annoyed as well and wouldn't trade with them in the future,but I wouldn't report them as a bad trader or anything that drastic...
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The Great
Choco Monster
Ghendar
Warlord
11197 Posts
The Dark and Forbidding Lands of The Necromancer.
| | 05/22/2005 3:28 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by WakeXX
Yeah,I'd be slightly annoyed as well and wouldn't trade with them in the future,but I wouldn't report them as a bad trader or anything that drastic...
Yeah, reporting him as a bad trader is a bit drastic but I will definitely never trade with him in the future. | |
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Champion of the Spider Eater with rider.
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Zenako
Commander
3466 Posts
| | 05/22/2005 9:35 PM |
| | In my book, once the addresses are exchanged and confirmed, then a deal is a deal. Now like some others mentioned, If I then got another even better offer, I am in a position where I could probably make that deal as well since I have such a large working margin of minis to choose from. I would be annoyed at someone bailing on a deal. During the barter phase all things are cool. I am in the middle of one deal and the trade partner asked about dropping out certain minis from the deal we were talking about since he had a chance to use some of them to get a relatively hard to come by promo. No sweat, at that point of the process, I told him. Speaking of which, I owe him a reply...need to figure out a way to clone myself into three places at once these days....sigh | |
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Blade
Sergeant
412 Posts
| | 05/23/2005 6:56 PM |
| | I think that once both partys have traded addresses there is no going back. Though I have had one trader send me his address with his first offer. Then when I did not make the trade with him he told me I was in the wrong. Let me point out that I am not saying thats what happend in your case. | |
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The Great
Choco Monster
Ghendar
Warlord
11197 Posts
The Dark and Forbidding Lands of The Necromancer.
| | 05/24/2005 6:47 AM |
| You're right, that was not the case for me. We had agreed to the trade prior to addresses being sent.
What that other trader did to you was wrong. | |
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Lab Monkey
Commander
4135 Posts
| | 05/24/2005 10:51 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Blade
I think that once both partys have traded addresses there is no going back. Though I have had one trader send me his address with his first offer. Then when I did not make the trade with him he told me I was in the wrong. Let me point out that I am not saying thats what happend in your case.
As long as you didn't say "Deal" or send him your address, I think the other trader was out of line. | |
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Myth Master Jr
Sergeant
418 Posts
| | 05/24/2005 4:28 PM |
| | I agree that backing out on a deal is just wrong. Like it was said above, all you have in these forums is your word. Once you screw that up, you've got nothing. I'd like to know who this guy is so that I'm never put in that position with him. And your right, I wouldn't be as forgiving. | |
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Cha0tic g0od
Skirmisher
0 Posts
| | 05/24/2005 8:06 PM |
| I havent had someone back out of a trade. I have been in a situation , as Zenako expressed where a better deal for me can to me but because of my collection I was able to make the trade.
With trades only work with numbers in hundreds or low thousands, it is heartbreaking when it occurs.
I now have 12 Minas and have receently acuired 3 of said Minas for 10.00 a piece. My wife then bought one on ebay (she didn't know I got the 3) for 50.00..
Deals come and go, but once you exchange addies, then a deal is a deal!
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WakeXX
Warlord
10131 Posts
Edinboro PA
| | 05/24/2005 8:10 PM |
| | Yep,trade backer outers beware![}:)] | | | |
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The Great
Choco Monster
Ghendar
Warlord
11197 Posts
The Dark and Forbidding Lands of The Necromancer.
| | 05/24/2005 8:44 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by WakeXX
Yep,trade backer outers beware![}:)]
Are they worse than post padders?
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Ghendar - Bringin' the snark!
Champion of the Spider Eater with rider.
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WakeXX
Warlord
10131 Posts
Edinboro PA
| | 05/24/2005 8:50 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Ghendar
quote:
Originally posted by WakeXX
Yep,trade backer outers beware![}:)]
Are they worse than post padders?
[:p]
Why yes,yes indeed they are![)] | | | |
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Knight of Argenis
Corim Danex
Warlord
6614 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 05/24/2005 8:56 PM |
| | I also think it is bad form for someone to negotiate trades in the trade thread while trying to sell the same minis on ebay. I know of someone on maxminis that did that to someone else. If someone is going to put something on ebay, it should be removed from their tradeable minis. Minis shouldn't be put on ebay when negotiations with those minis are underway. | |
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WakeXX
Warlord
10131 Posts
Edinboro PA
| | 05/24/2005 9:15 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Corim Danex
I also think it is bad form for someone to negotiate trades in the trade thread while trying to sell the same minis on ebay. I know of someone on maxminis that did that to someone else. If someone is going to put something on ebay, it should be removed from their tradeable minis. Minis shouldn't be put on ebay when negotiations with those minis are underway.
Who would do such a thing? | | | |
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dariustad
Warlord
6322 Posts
| | 05/24/2005 9:40 PM |
| I once had this in my sig, but I believe it to sum up the trading process:
"Est Solarus Oth Mithas" -- my honour is my life.
Once the agreement is made, stick to it -- Honour it! | |
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Knight of Argenis
Corim Danex
Warlord
6614 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 05/24/2005 10:58 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by dariustad
I once had this in my sig, but I believe it to sum up the trading process:
"Est Solarus Oth Mithas" -- my honour is my life.
Once the agreement is made, stick to it -- Honour it!
That quote influenced my formative years as a teen. | |
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Knight of Argenis
Corim Danex
Warlord
6614 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 05/24/2005 10:59 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by WakeXX
quote:
Originally posted by Corim Danex
I also think it is bad form for someone to negotiate trades in the trade thread while trying to sell the same minis on ebay. I know of someone on maxminis that did that to someone else. If someone is going to put something on ebay, it should be removed from their tradeable minis. Minis shouldn't be put on ebay when negotiations with those minis are underway.
Who would do such a thing?
I am not supposed to say on the forum, am I? I could probably email the info. Not sure on protocol. | |
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donovani
Sneak
56 Posts
| | 05/25/2005 3:23 AM |
| | Corim - Interesting point. I've got much more experience on eBay than I do here at Maxminis but I know some people w/ eBay stores have auctions listed there for 30+ days. So it is a bit of a gray area I would say, because until an item is bid upon they can withdraw the eBay listing anytime. But I certainly agree with you that once a mini is committed to a buyer through eBay it shouldn't be on a trading thread here. | |
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Lab Monkey
Commander
4135 Posts
| | 05/25/2005 12:59 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Corim Danex
I also think it is bad form for someone to negotiate trades in the trade thread while trying to sell the same minis on ebay. I know of someone on maxminis that did that to someone else. If someone is going to put something on ebay, it should be removed from their tradeable minis. Minis shouldn't be put on ebay when negotiations with those minis are underway.
Some people buy mass quantities of minis. It's entirely possible that the person has more than 1 of a particular figure and is seeking to sell 1 figure and trade another.
Also, a seller can pull a mini from Ebay if he (or she) hasn't received any bids on it. As long as no deal has been made for the mini here or on Ebay, I see no problem with this. The seller is free to do whatever he wants with his minis.
Once a deal is negotiated and agreed to OR once bids have been laid down for a particular mini THEN the trader/seller is under an obligation to deliver and it is dishonorable to refuse. | |
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Hero of the Force
Siddartha of Suburbia
Underboss
2277 Posts
| | 05/26/2005 6:50 AM |
| I've lost opportunities to get figs I really wanted because I committed figures to trades just minutes before the primo offer comes in. It's frustrating, but once you say "Sounds like a deal" it's a deal. If you have second thoughts, voice them before the deal is agreed to.
At least that's the way it should be, and that's the way I treat it.
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The Great
Choco Monster
Ghendar
Warlord
11197 Posts
The Dark and Forbidding Lands of The Necromancer.
| | 05/26/2005 7:37 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Lab Monkey
quote:
Originally posted by Corim Danex
I also think it is bad form for someone to negotiate trades in the trade thread while trying to sell the same minis on ebay. I know of someone on maxminis that did that to someone else. If someone is going to put something on ebay, it should be removed from their tradeable minis. Minis shouldn't be put on ebay when negotiations with those minis are underway.
Some people buy mass quantities of minis. It's entirely possible that the person has more than 1 of a particular figure and is seeking to sell 1 figure and trade another.
Yeah, i was wondering about that. Do we know that this particular seller/trader doesn't have multiples of the figures. Some he puts on ebay, some he tries to trade here?
Do we have evidence to the contrary? | |
Ghendar - Bringin' the snark!
Champion of the Spider Eater with rider.
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WakeXX
Warlord
10131 Posts
Edinboro PA
| | 05/26/2005 1:24 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Ghendar
quote:
Originally posted by Lab Monkey
quote:
Originally posted by Corim Danex
I also think it is bad form for someone to negotiate trades in the trade thread while trying to sell the same minis on ebay. I know of someone on maxminis that did that to someone else. If someone is going to put something on ebay, it should be removed from their tradeable minis. Minis shouldn't be put on ebay when negotiations with those minis are underway.
Some people buy mass quantities of minis. It's entirely possible that the person has more than 1 of a particular figure and is seeking to sell 1 figure and trade another.
Yeah, i was wondering about that. Do we know that this particular seller/trader doesn't have multiples of the figures. Some he puts on ebay, some he tries to trade here?
Do we have evidence to the contrary?
I agree,If it was different copies of figs or the Ebay auction had no bids and he was trying to trade them off,that's all well and good.If it was the same figs or the auction had bids and he was trying to trade them still,that's a different story. | | | |
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