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Underboss
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The prices are from Zenako's price list, and are the average price charged by online retailers who sell singles. They do give an idea of the relative value of the minis, although as you have noticed, the actual going rate for these minis on eBay or in the marketplace forum is lower.
The reason why they are showing up in many people's trade posts is probably that the list of rares is being copied from the "list view" of the new Have/Want List. It displays the zenako value next to the minis, and people are copying and pasting the lists when they create their trade posts.
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The Mighty
jai
Commander
3235 Posts
| | 06/25/2005 5:35 PM |
| I long for the day of trading rare for rare again ... another reason i like to trade locally before wading into the waters infested with "evil mutated sea bass with frickin laser beams on their heads"
King, don't go too far away, we can help each other come Angelfire [:)]
As far as people copying and pasting their list into the thread ... doesn't that defeat the purpose of having the list to begin with ? ? ? | | | |
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Iconomancer
bassman2972
Underboss
1675 Posts
The ville IN. AKA Hell on earth
| | 06/25/2005 5:40 PM |
| | I usually like to trade rare for rare, but it seems others want to use the prices for a guidline of mini values. To me a mini may be worth 40.00 on the list but worth alot less to me. | |
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Zenako
Commander
3468 Posts
| | 06/25/2005 9:24 PM |
| As always, the prices are what the stores are charging, and they charge what they figure they can sell them for. In general lots of rares have high prices, since the option faced by someone seeking a specific rare is to either buy it at the store ala carte, or buy a whole bunch of boosters and hope. As a relative measure of "value" the list serves a purpose to help gage the relative demand or desireability of a mini factoring in all factions. For example Dragons probably have prices all out of proportion to there use in Skirmish, but you have the collectors of iconic creatures fueling the demand as well.
Don't focus as much on the actual $$ signs, but the relative signs, and oh yes, had you (or I) had the $$ and foresight to lay in a huge supply of Harbinger a couple of years back, we would be sitting pretty with a couple hundred percent increase in value. Cases you could pick up for a bit over $100 back then routinely sell for $300+ now. | |
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King O Vrock
Sergeant
397 Posts
| | 06/25/2005 10:41 PM |
| | I'm sure you get tired of repeating yourself everytime someone brings this up, and I'm certainly not trying to belittle your efforts, as I think it is a good resource and I've used it myself many times. Maybe there just needs to be some disclaimer on prices with low base sizes. Anyway, I just get annoyed when I see people using it as the only method to analyze a trade....and adding the feature right into the H/W list seems to exacerbate the problem. Guess I'll just stick to dealing with fellow old-timers like Jai [:p] (looking forward to it). | |
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Zenako
Commander
3468 Posts
| | 06/25/2005 11:31 PM |
| | Not too tired, but I do want to make sure that the price guide is used responsibly and not as an absolute bible. I know that is how I use it. Its utility also varies depending on the size of ones collection or obsession. If you are still trying to fill holes in sets then it has less use, if you are making trades of extras for different extras, then it helps to make certain that what you get will be about as worth trading as what you give up (in general terms at least). | |
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The Mighty
jai
Commander
3235 Posts
| | 06/26/2005 12:19 AM |
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Originally posted by Zenako
Not too tired, but I do want to make sure that the price guide is used responsibly and not as an absolute bible. I know that is how I use it. Its utility also varies depending on the size of ones collection or obsession. If you are still trying to fill holes in sets then it has less use, if you are making trades of extras for different extras, then it helps to make certain that what you get will be about as worth trading as what you give up (in general terms at least).
I could change the H/W List perhaps to only show prices if you ask ... if it isn't default maybe less folks would use it ? ? ? | | | |
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Zenako
Commander
3468 Posts
| | 06/26/2005 4:03 PM |
| | That might be a good idea, make it take a positive action to display rather than just being the default info. Might well help restore some of the trading aspect instead of the dollar value aspect that is more common now. | |
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bradu
Sergeant
456 Posts
Portland, OR
| | 06/26/2005 5:17 PM |
| I always find this an interesting debate. While the rarity of a figure may be similar (ie, rare for rare), there's no doubt that certain figures are more desireable and thus more valuable than others of the same rarity.
I have to think that most of the poeple saying "I wish we could go back to simple rare for rare trades" are the ones who want to get a Beholder for their Human Cleric of Bane. If you didn't have HCoB, but you had 2 Beholders, would you trade 1 for HCoB? Be honest now. Of course not. Why? Because you know you can get a lot more for that Beholder! Because the market, the supply and demand, is what determines the value of any given mini.
I'm not a big trader online, I just do most of my trading at my FLGS(though I did a few online trades and have done many online Heroclix trades). But I think it's a bit silly or even ignorant if you want to try to ignore the fact that all rares are NOT worth the same. | |
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King O Vrock
Sergeant
397 Posts
| | 06/26/2005 8:21 PM |
| | Don't get me wrong Bradu, i'm not expecting someone to give me a Beholder for a Cleric of Bane, but at the same time, someone shouldn't expect to get 2 giants from me for that Beholder just because it's listed at $40 on the price thread. | |
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Round Table
Thenameless
Warlord
9953 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 06/27/2005 1:07 AM |
| | I use the price list as a guide, but like most people here, we all have our own personal value rating system for the different minis - and that's what I go by the most. | |
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The Mighty
jai
Commander
3235 Posts
| | 06/27/2005 10:27 AM |
| | I had to make a fix to the h/w list. so now to see dollar amounts you have to check the DM option. | | | |
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King O Vrock
Sergeant
397 Posts
| | 06/27/2005 11:02 AM |
| | Thanks Jai. I think that will help a bit. | |
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Zenako
Commander
3468 Posts
| | 06/27/2005 12:55 PM |
| | It is surprising how many things become the accepted norm without even trying that are merely the result of inaction or lack of a positive repsonse. That is why so many companies wanted to keep there sign up offers as "accept" for the default instead of having to click on a box to trigger the offer to accept. The companies got tons fewer sign ups when the customers had to actually take an action to sign up, as opposed to take an action to decline. | |
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Wayne
Underboss
1371 Posts
| | 07/14/2005 12:44 PM |
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Originally posted by bradu
I have to think that most of the poeple saying "I wish we could go back to simple rare for rare trades" are the ones who want to get a Beholder for their Human Cleric of Bane. If you didn't have HCoB, but you had 2 Beholders, would you trade 1 for HCoB? Be honest now. Of course not. Why? Because you know you can get a lot more for that Beholder!
That is absolutely 100 percent on-the-nose correct.
A Rare-for-Rare trading standard is a recipe for taking advantage of less knowledgeable traders, and, more subtly, for taking advantage of more honorable traders, as well.
Consider two Traders, A and B. Trader A has an Orc Champion and a Gold Champion for trade, and would like to acquire a Beholder. Trader B has a Beholder and a Human Cleric of Bane for trade, and for now wants to get a Gold Champion. When Trader A offers his Gold Champion in a Rare-for-Rare trade for Trader B's Beholder, Trader B agrees. (Why? Because it's a Rare-for-Rare standard, and Trader B is honorable? Because it's a Rare-for-Rare trade and Trader B hasn't had time to learn better?)
A week later, Trader B decides he needs an Orc Champion, and offers a Human Cleric of Bane to Trader A, in exchange for Trader A's Orc Champ. Trader A is a knowledgeable collector and declines the offer. (Why? Because he knows the Orc Champ is worth far more than the Human Cleric of Bane, and since trading is voluntary, why should he enter into a disadvantageous trade -- especially one so lop-sided as that -- even if Rare-for-Rare is the standard?) So what is Trader B's recourse? Absolutely none; he's been mercilessly taken advantage of by Trader A ... who, of course, loves the Rare-for-Rare standard.
Even more subtly, what if a week later, Trader B decides he needs an Orc Champion, and offers a Human Cleric of Bane to Trader C, in exchange for Trader C's Orc Champ? Trader C is a knowledgeable collector and declines the offer. (Why? For the same reasons as Trader A.) And again Trader B gets the shaft by either his newbie status or his honorable willingness to abide by a Rare-for-Rare standard.
When it comes to trading goods with shifting values, knowledge is essential. That's why the SEC prosecutes insider trading (i.e., dishonorably using information) and requires companies to issue accurate prospecti (i.e., disclose information). Maxminis doesn't have an SEC, obviously, so we need the tools to make an SEC-analog less necessary. Zenako's guide, prominently displayed, is one of those tools.
Is every trader who wants Rare-for-Rare a Trader A or Trader C, taking advantage of the novice or the honorable? Of course not. But the danger is significant enough to make a Rare-for-Rare standard a terrible, terrible idea. | |
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AesophDarkfable
Warlord
5628 Posts
| | 07/23/2005 5:37 PM |
| | Would I trade a beholder for a HCoB? Do I need the HCoB to complete a set? About 7 months ago I traded a Harbinger Ogre and Barghest for the three rares I needed to complete GoL. I got ripped off "value" wise but I needed them. I generally use the guide for older minis. DCoL for instance, I dont expect to get 55 bucks worth for her, but I expect it to come closer than a rare for rare. | |
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Ghendar
Warlord
11456 Posts
In ur house, stealin' yur minis
| | 07/25/2005 6:58 AM |
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Originally posted by AesophDarkfable
Would I trade a beholder for a HCoB? Do I need the HCoB to complete a set? About 7 months ago I traded a Harbinger Ogre and Barghest for the three rares I needed to complete GoL. I got ripped off "value" wise but I needed them. I generally use the guide for older minis. DCoL for instance, I dont expect to get 55 bucks worth for her, but I expect it to come closer than a rare for rare.
Alternatively, you could have waited and traded other less valuable rares in order to get what you needed to complete GOL and then you would still have that Ogre and Barghest.
Not criticizing your trade, just posing a different scenario. | |
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Crescent Hawk
Sergeant
828 Posts
| | 08/15/2005 1:55 PM |
| | If I know I have a killer rare, Beholder, Drizzt, LSD, and so on, I just go to the trading threads and put them up for "Mini Auction". I did it with a pair of DB's last year. I'm going to be doing it very shortly with the mini's I've listed above. That way I don't feel bad about what I'm given and I know that person really wanted that figure. | |
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The Mighty
jai
Commander
3235 Posts
| | 08/15/2005 5:02 PM |
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Originally posted by Wayne
quote:
Originally posted by bradu
I have to think that most of the poeple saying "I wish we could go back to simple rare for rare trades" are the ones who want to get a Beholder for their Human Cleric of Bane. If you didn't have HCoB, but you had 2 Beholders, would you trade 1 for HCoB? Be honest now. Of course not. Why? Because you know you can get a lot more for that Beholder!
That is absolutely 100 percent on-the-nose correct.
BBBZZZZZZTT. Wrong answer. Not 100% correct.
Look at what i have for trade. I am one of the top people that wishes rare-for-rare trading were the norm. Not only would it make it easier for new folks to get old figures, but i still find it funny that the plastic and paint on the DBeast is worth more than the plastic and paint on say ... an Otyugh.
Don't get me wrong. I think the list is a good point of reference simply because the trend went to $ value trading. I know we didn't go to $ trading because the list was created, like a few folks have proposed. It is just a handy tool for the current "economy".
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glauron
Underboss
1379 Posts
Sydney, Australia
| | 08/17/2005 1:42 AM |
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Originally posted by King O Vrock
Don't get me wrong Bradu, i'm not expecting someone to give me a Beholder for a Cleric of Bane, but at the same time, someone shouldn't expect to get 2 giants from me for that Beholder just because it's listed at $40 on the price thread.
You're making me feel bad. Just last month I traded a Beholder for 1 Frosty and one Fire Giant. Somebody offered, I accepted. Mind you, a month earlier I offered a LBD, Spectre and several uncommons for a Beholder - right Ben and Zeb? [:)]. What goes around comes around. And no shady stuff, because all 3 of us are knowledgeable traders.
It should come down to what you're prepared to trade, not what $ value Zenako posts in his guide.
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flick985
Skirmisher
4 Posts
| | 08/18/2005 2:22 PM |
| I may not be a knowledgable trader, but, as they say in the Art world, I know what I like and or want. If I had an extra Orc Champ and wanted an Adventuring Wizard, I would do it. I also would not have any remorse about it at all. If I wanted to worry about prices and trade values, I would be a stock broker.
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Wayne
Underboss
1371 Posts
| | 08/26/2005 1:33 AM |
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Originally posted by jaii still find it funny that the plastic and paint on the DBeast is worth more than the plastic and paint on say ... an Otyugh.[/i]
I've seen several people make this comment over the past couple of years, and I'm baffled by it.
Do you find it funny that certain stamps are worth more than other stamps? How about coins? Furniture? Paintings?
D&D Miniatures are collectibles. What's so odd about different collectibles having different values? | |
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sttmxn
Sergeant
461 Posts
| | 09/23/2005 5:47 PM |
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Originally posted by Wayne
I've seen several people make this comment over the past couple of years, and I'm baffled by it.
Do you find it funny that certain stamps are worth more than other stamps? How about coins? Furniture? Paintings?
I completely agree, Wayne--I have also been baffled by this. Collectables are a form of currency, and currency value has nothing to do with the material or substance of the currency. Money is just paper, after all.
The way I see it, miniature value--which is the same as saying the demand for a miniature--has four determining factors:
1. Actual rarity - I say "actual" because as we all know, some Rares are simply more Rare than others. Example: Drow Cleric of Lolth. This is probably the most consistent and reliable factor in estimating miniature value.
2. Skirmish utility - That is, how useful a piece is in the DDM game. This does not impact value as much as rarity--if it did Snig the Axe would be worth $60--but it does play a role. Example: Eye of Gruumsh.
3. Fame - The iconic value of a figure. Again, not as significant a factor as rarity, but can drastically skew the value of a mini, particularly for RPGers. Example: all dragons, which are disproportionately valuable, regardless of rarity or playability.
4. Trendiness - This is the most unpredictable and volatile factor. It pretty much depends on the global metagame, in my estimation: things that are being discussed on the boards, things that WotC are saying, etc. Example: Gauth, the demand for which simply skyrocketed after Kiddoc posted his evaluation of LE warbands in Deathknell.
Factor 1 can't be determined too well until a set has been around for a while.
Factor 2 fluctuates a little, but can largely be tracked by keeping an eye on what and how people are playing.
Factor 3 is pretty much predictable. There always seems to be a discussion going on about "what's missing" or "what we'd like to see." The Beholder was breaking ground for miniature values before it was even released.
Factor 4 is the most difficult factor, to my mind. It's hard to predict what's going to be trendy just because the right person decided to talk about it or use it in a game. The big tournaments are the most reliable way to gauge this.
Anyhow, I think the values are awesome. I hope they keep going up. It adds a whole new metacomponent to collecting these little toys: investment. I for one am crossing my fingers that all the retailers follow suit in marking the Archfiends' Drizzt up to $100. | |
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Zaukrie
Underboss
2007 Posts
| | 09/26/2005 6:51 PM |
| | No doubt, some rares are worth more than others. But, I am tired of the slavery to the price list when trying to trade. If I offer two recent rares for two recen rares, I don't pay attention to it if some cost $12 and some cost $8. It's two minis I don't want for two you don't want. But, I've gotten a lot of rejections lately when the prices were off by a few dollars. I've gotten rejections on old U/C for more recent U/C because the prices were off by like a total of $4 - for sending about 12-15 minis in each package. I too long for the day when (unless there is a huge discrepancy) we just made trades of what we didn't want for what we did. | |
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Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
2854 Posts
Québec
| | 11/10/2005 12:06 PM |
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What Really Put Me Off On Those Values Is That The Instant They Announced Underdark,
Every Drow And Most Orcs Started To Increase As Much As 5$,then 5 More And Common
Drows Shot Up By a Dollar ( For JUST a Common ) And Orcs By Maybe Half That,Even
Drows From The More Recent Sets.Suddenly,a Drow Archer Sells For 10$ And The Orc 8...
That Is Preposterous ! And The Drow Cleric Of Lolth Shot Up To a Higher Value Than
Drizzt,Who IS a Drow,An Icon,a Legend While That Cleric Is Also Medium Sized,In The
Same Set.I Do Not See The Logic.
Another Thing I Have a Problem With Is Medium Rares Having The Same Prices As Large
Rares.This Is Greatly Flawed.At Least The Giants Of Legends Huge Rares Are Worth More
Than Large Or Medium Ones.Not Everyone Follows This And I Once Paid Less For a Storm
Giant Than Lord Soth,Who Yes,Deserves Icon Status But Is Two Sizes Smaller.The Huge
Boosters For That Set Was One Of THE Worst Rip-Offs I Have Ever Seen.You Have 90% Of
Getting a Huge Uncommon Worth Less Than Two Dollars Ans Only a Medium Rare For Having
Paid 5-8 More Dollars.
Oh,And Why Is The Mounted Drow Patrol Worth More Than Most Epic Rares ??? It Baffles Me. | |
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Knight of Argenis
Corim Danex
Warlord
6690 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 11/10/2005 3:38 PM |
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Originally posted by Sir Bozak The Damned
Oh,And Why Is The Mounted Drow Patrol Worth More Than Most Epic Rares ??? It Baffles Me.
I don't really know, but it might have something to do with the fact that it is one of only three mounted miniatures released so far. I wouldn't have thought that the Mounted Drow Patrol would be worth that much.
I don't think I have ever read a post with every word beginning with a capital letter before. It's hard on the eyes and breaks up the continuity of the message.
Good points on the earlier drows going up in value. I would have thought the opposite would have happened--people realizing that drow are now easier to find and so the demand for the older ones would actually decrease. I would think that people with a lot of older drow would try to unload on their extras since they can replace them with the newer drow.
Maybe that has something to do with it--there weren't as many of the older drow on the market, and now that more people have spares to trade/sell, they are demanding more for the drow they are trying to get rid of. I guess it's up to the buyers/acquirers if they are willing to pay that much for them, or if those trying to sell/trade them will be stuck with them because people aren't willing to offer that much for them. This might cause the value to drop again. Who knows? | |
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Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
2854 Posts
Québec
| | 11/11/2005 1:41 PM |
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About The Typing,That Is My Style And I Find It Easier To Read This Way.If I Get
Enough Complaints,I Will Change,But That Only Happened On One Website With Mostly
Children That Kept Whining About How It Hurt Their Precious Eyes.
I Am Glad To See Someone Agrees With Me About The Drows,I Guess Most People Bought
Dozens Of Them And Are Now Laughing And Rolling Themselves In Money.I Only Started
Collecting Minis In June And Only Have Underdark To Complete.But When I Had To Spend
More On a Drow Cleric Of Lolth Than a Huge Red Dragon,Drizzt And Large Silver
Dragon,I Was Enraged.My Seller Friend, creep192 ,That Many Here Must Not Know Well
Enough As He Is The Nicest Seller So Far And Greatly Helped Me With My Collection
And Answers Emails Quickly And Politely,If You Use a Coeerct Tone With Him, Warned
Me That It Was My Last Chance To Buy Her As She Would Get Another Boost At Underdark's
Release As All Drows Would.So,I Got Her In a Multi-Rare Deal To Soften The Blow.I Have
Not Received Her Yet,I Make Monstrous Orders,But From The Pictures,She Does Not Look
That Nice And Again,Is Only Of Medium Size.Had She Been Large,Would People Be Charging
In The Three Didgits For Her ? Again,Insanity... | |
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glumag
Warlord
5968 Posts
| | 11/11/2005 7:07 PM |
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Originally posted by Sir Bozak The Damned
About The Typing,That Is My Style And I Find It Easier To Read This Way.If I Get
Enough Complaints,I Will Change,But That Only Happened On One Website With Mostly
Children That Kept Whining About How It Hurt Their Precious Eyes.
Is that a clever way of setting up anyone who complains about your "style" of typing?
why would you want to make what you type easier to read for you? you typed it, you know it...your effort should be to make what you write easier to read for everyone else. [)]
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Thenameless
Warlord
9953 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 11/13/2005 10:18 PM |
| | The prices are rising becuase they come from online merchants who are trying to make a profit/living. I suspect that most minis can be bought for much less on ebay, or from local stores/people. | |
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Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
2854 Posts
Québec
| | 11/14/2005 9:55 PM |
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I Still Say,Despite Being Older And Rarer To Find,The Harbringer/Archfiends And Dragoneye
Rares,Uncommons And Even Commons Are Starting To Reach Ridiculous Amounts Of Money.
I Noticed No One Contested My Point On The Point That Larger Rares Should Be Worth More
Than Medium/Small Ones ( With Certain Exceptions,Of Course ).I Mean,According To An
Online Guide,My Trade With a Friend Of a Friend.His Small,Ugly,Ridiculous Gibberish
Mouther For My Large-Based Flesh Golem.I Thought I Was Being Ripped Off,But My Friend
Insisted And The Guy Had To Go;Because I Expected At Least a Bonus Common In That Trade.
I Looked Them Up And It Turns Out The Gibbering Mouther Was Worth About a Dollar More
Than The Flesh Golem.Can Anyone Make ANY Sense Of That ?
Just As With The Announcement Of Underdark Doubling All Rares With Drow On Their Names
Or Of ANY Connotation With Drows Or Spiders... | |
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Zenako
Commander
3468 Posts
| | 11/15/2005 10:43 AM |
| | I have serious issues with many of your assumptions, but am not willing to take the time to refute them. I still find your writing style hard to read and generally skip your posts because of it. A number of other posters have also indicated the same. You are free to think and value your minis however you wish, but just because you say something and no one takes the time to counter your position does make you correct by default. | |
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http://www.maxminis.com/hw_list.asp?user=Zenako last updated 29 May 2006
Set Status: in a nutshell = all of all
In Process trades0), (Sig last updated 05/29/06) 300 plus Completed Trades -
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Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
2854 Posts
Québec
| | 11/15/2005 2:53 PM |
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Very well, I took the hint.I will type like this now.I just wish those people would
have came to me directly and not hide under your protection to politely ask me to
change my posting style.
Also, you must have meant: " does'NT make you correct by default." | |
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Zenako
Commander
3468 Posts
| | 11/15/2005 4:15 PM |
| Thank you, and yup I did mean "doesn't" but did not reread my post before posting it (which I normally do but was in a hurry this morning at work).
I would say that it was not always what was being said that irked a few people but the tone or choice of wording you used that bugged some. I don't think I heard from anyone who did not also comment on your typing style in one of the threads you posted in or started so nothing really behind the scenes going on.
We had an similar type issue with another poster a while back who only would type in all CAPITAL LETTERS for every post and header. This particular individual was asked to conform to the nominal posting etiquette of the site which would reserve such all CAPs thread titles to something urgent for everyone to know about, and generally only topics that affect the site itself would qualify. Unlike you, they refused to accept the norms of the forum and soon left in a huff. You have raised a number of interesting points in some of your posts and bring a fresh perspective on some topics and I am sure many of us here will be glad to exchange thoughts, ideas and information as time moves on.
Another posting style that was discouraged some time back was akin to the conversation style that occurs via IMing with almost every word abbreviated and cute little shortcut terms used to discuss things. Because a number of us on this forum are "old farts" and not up with the latest slang and jargon of such things, that poster was also asked to please post using whole words and something akin to sentance structure. By using only the jargon of IM they were effectively being inconsiderate of the rest of the forum who did not speak that langauge. Much like if someone choose to routinely make their posts in French or Spanish or German for example. That would be considered somewhat rude and probably self defeating since all but a very few would be forced to ignore the posts. (Occasional posts using foreign languages have been made on certain issues and topics and those pass muster under the exception rules in my perspective...)
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Built the addition for this addiction, now on to the "gaming table" project....
http://www.maxminis.com/hw_list.asp?user=Zenako last updated 29 May 2006
Set Status: in a nutshell = all of all
In Process trades0), (Sig last updated 05/29/06) 300 plus Completed Trades -
If I seem scarce at times...blame DDO - Sarlona | |
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Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
2854 Posts
Québec
| | 11/15/2005 4:58 PM |
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Does this mean I am off the "blacklist" ? | |
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Zenako
Commander
3468 Posts
| | 11/15/2005 5:08 PM |
| I guess so, although there is no blacklist that I know of (other than perhaps my indication that I had chosen to largely skip your posts due to style issues (as I also did with others that I cited above)).
The value of a forum like this is the ready exchange of ideas and information and anything that makes such exchanges harder to execute is unproductive. By conforming to certain posting etiqutte and standards it makes it easier to conduct that exchange of information and everyone benefits. | |
Built the addition for this addiction, now on to the "gaming table" project....
http://www.maxminis.com/hw_list.asp?user=Zenako last updated 29 May 2006
Set Status: in a nutshell = all of all
In Process trades0), (Sig last updated 05/29/06) 300 plus Completed Trades -
If I seem scarce at times...blame DDO - Sarlona | |
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The Great
Choco Monster
Ghendar
Warlord
11456 Posts
In ur house, stealin' yur minis
| | 11/20/2005 2:26 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Zenako
I guess so, although there is no blacklist that I know of (other than perhaps my indication that I had chosen to largely skip your posts due to style issues (as I also did with others that I cited above)).
I have my own personal blacklist. There's two names on it right now. One guy makes outrageous demands when posting his trade threads and the other entered into an agreement with me, we agreed to the trade, exchanged addresses and then he backed out siting a better deal. I will never make an offer to him, nor accept one.
As far as you Bozak, your not on my list. Not yet anyway. [)]
Regarding your typing style, please remove the space between the lines. Maxminis is not a college research paper that is required to be double spaced. | |
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Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
2854 Posts
Québec
| | 11/20/2005 6:11 PM |
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I thought the, how did Gluug ( spelling ? ) say it issue was resolved with my typind and
that the rest was "pointless nitpicking" or something to that effect. | |
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The Great
Choco Monster
Ghendar
Warlord
11456 Posts
In ur house, stealin' yur minis
| | 11/20/2005 8:02 PM |
| You can call it nitpicking and that's your right. However, I find the double spacing to be annoying. Why do you do that? No one else does, not on Maxminis anyway.
However, it's entirely up to you whether you change it or not. | |
Ghendar - Now snark free!
Champion of the Spider Eater with rider.
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
How many times in life do you get to eat your own Cthulhu - Posted By Pedro on 03/31/2008 2:29 | |
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Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
2854 Posts
Québec
| | 11/20/2005 8:08 PM |
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I find it easier to read and you are the first person to have a problem with that ? If you
just want to skip my posts because of that, it is well within your rights. That is all I
will say, since I am already offended and angered by your critique I did not ask for.
P.S: Do not think I did not noticed you changed your last post after reading mine at 8:08,
I saw it and hope it was legitimate and not a way not to look bad...
P.P.S: Yes,I also just changed mine after you changed yours, fair game, I say. | |
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119 completed trades so far...NB called shot: Medusa | |
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