nyjastul69
Commander
2710 Posts
    
Rhode Island
 | | 11/28/2005 4:15 PM |
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You know, I keep thinking that after the new design team gets done with D&D 4e, D&D won't stand for Dungeons and Dragons anymore, because well, that's just not fun. It's old and stuffy. - Originally Posted by BabWryter on Kenzerco.com | |
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nyjastul69
Commander
2710 Posts
Rhode Island
| | 11/28/2005 4:15 PM |
| | How much later than the date they said they would send? Have you received the minis yet? How many trades does the other party have? Have you traded with them before? There are no hard and fast rules here, mostly just guidelines. These are some of the things I would consider. Depending on the answers I may very well handle this situation differently. I know I'm not helping much, but I need more info before being too specific. | |
You know, I keep thinking that after the new design team gets done with D&D 4e, D&D won't stand for Dungeons and Dragons anymore, because well, that's just not fun. It's old and stuffy. - Originally Posted by BabWryter on Kenzerco.com | |
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Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
2854 Posts
Québec
| | 11/28/2005 4:55 PM |
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No trades that I know of, 5 or 6 days. He said one day and put another on the trade. No, I
have not even received the packages that were sent to me last monday or tuesday, so I have
certainly not received his, that were sent today. And, first trade with him. | |
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Lab Monkey
Commander
4134 Posts
| | 11/28/2005 8:03 PM |
| | This irks me to no end, but it does happen. I've had a number of experienced (and inexperienced) traders agree to simultaneous ship and then wait til they received my end before they ship their end. There's not too much you can do about it, except politely ask for better communication and more timely shipping next time. | |
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Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
2854 Posts
Québec
| | 11/28/2005 8:14 PM |
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Actually, great thing it was not a simu-send. He had agreed to send first, so at least I
have that going for me...Thanksgiving has been a curse, I am still waiting on packages sent to me 6 business days away... | |
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PatEllis15
Commander
4462 Posts
| | 11/28/2005 8:41 PM |
| It is not an issue I'd rush over to the "problem trader" thread about.
It might sway my decision to trade with the person again though. Life DOES get in the way sometimes. People DO forget. I agreed to a trade with a member the Wednesday before Thanksgiving, but I told that person that I wouldn't be able to get the trade out until I got back. Well, got back, and set up my box, and then rushed out the door this morning, trying to get the kids to school on time, and realized when I got to work, that I hadn't put the box in my bag. I don't think it will matter in the end though... What counts is that they GET you the figures. Keep in mind, a few days does not equal a few weeks of course!
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Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
2854 Posts
Québec
| | 11/28/2005 9:13 PM |
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To Pay E.
Did I do that ? No, I posted here instead...
Unless the other party gives me some incentive, he can be sure I will be extra demanding in trading with him again, not only in a winning deal for me, but also in asking DC from new members, although I am a new member myself and the only mistake I made was minor and the worst of it was bad judgment by a postal employee. I am very demanding of myself, so I guess I expect other's word to mean as much as mine...and in life, it has caused me many woes.
In contrary to your experience, Pat, this person had checked the [shipped] box in the trade, so Thanksgiving and his wife forgetting to mail for him are just excuses even a child can come up with. I regret to bring this up again, but 5 extra days before shipping to Canada means I could get MY minis only two weeks after he has acknowledged his mistake. Some people hassle ebay sellers for that long a wait...If that had been a binding contract, there are steps I could have taken.
Thanks for your inputs. | |
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maijstral
Underboss
2105 Posts
| | 11/28/2005 10:15 PM |
| I have traded twice with Canadian traders and shipping between the US an Canada took about 2 weeks each way (customs, I shipped first both times) so maybe its just the post office delaying things.
I am involved with a trade right now within the USA and he recieved my package last saturday but I haven't received his yet and we mailed them at the same time (occording to the DC's) so it must be a post office thing.
Just throwing things out there, I could be wrong I don't know all the details of your trade. | | | |
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6598 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 11/28/2005 10:17 PM |
| | Generally, an extra week isn't extreme. It is enough to cause frustration and maybe not wanting to deal with a trader again. It is not generally an issue to be referred to "disputed trades". Not yet. That amount of time (sending five days after committing to send) is when the trade starts to shift from good trade to neutral. This is just my understanding. If I remembered who I had an experience like that, it would make me more reluctant to trade with that person another time. | |
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Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
2854 Posts
Québec
| | 11/28/2005 10:39 PM |
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Would the rules allow me to resind or delete that trade ? It is really just little fodder. I was actually helping a n00b, since someone did it for me, although I lost in all trades...
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Iconomancer
bassman2972
Underboss
1675 Posts
The ville IN. AKA Hell on earth
| | 11/29/2005 12:16 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Sir Bozak The Damned
Would the rules allow me to resind or delete that trade ? It is really just little fodder. I was actually helping a n00b, since someone did it for me, although I lost in all trades...
Well, You really can't back out after he's sent and I wouldn't delete it if I were you. You could always just leave a neutral or negative feedback for him after you recieve and leave a comment if you feel it's nesessary to explain why you left the feedback you did. | |
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nyjastul69
Commander
2710 Posts
Rhode Island
| | 11/29/2005 7:46 AM |
| | I'm with the 'it's bad form but not problem trader status'. 5 or 6 days shouldn't be a problem if communication is good and they've explained themselves. If it's a new trader, it's prolly a red flag for future trading. I've had this happen to me. In the end, at least for me, it's about, did I get the minis or not? Time isn't my biggest issue. It's frustrating, but not the end of the world. | |
You know, I keep thinking that after the new design team gets done with D&D 4e, D&D won't stand for Dungeons and Dragons anymore, because well, that's just not fun. It's old and stuffy. - Originally Posted by BabWryter on Kenzerco.com | |
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shadroth
Warrior
210 Posts
| | 11/29/2005 10:10 AM |
| I can tell you who the trader in question is. It's me. The situation is that I told him I would post the minis on the 22nd. I added the package to a pile of Christmas presents my wife was posting to Australia (where my family is). Then came the Thanksgiving long weekend. On Sunday I discovered that my wife had forgotten to post the package. I posted the package first thing on Monday and *immediately* let Bozak know what had happened. Bozak has been pretty abusive since then which makes me want to give up on these trading boards. Yes, I am a new trader here but I think I handled the situation as best as I was able. I guess Bozak has paranoia regarding new traders, but then I did agree to send first (which I *have*) so I don't understand what the problem is.
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shadroth
Warrior
210 Posts
| | 11/29/2005 11:09 AM |
| | Private emails have resolved this I think. Let's get on with the trading! [:D] | |
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PatEllis15
Commander
4462 Posts
| | 11/29/2005 1:52 PM |
| quote:
Private emails have resolved this I think.
Glad to hear that!
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Bozak has been pretty abusive since then which makes me want to give up on these trading boards. Yes, I am a new trader here but I think I handled the situation as best as I was able.
Hmmm....
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Did I do that ? No, I posted here instead...
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What is a trader to do when someone sends their end much later than they were supposed
to, and had posted a much earlier date plus no other excuse than: "I forgot to mail it the day I told you I would and the day I updated the trade...).
I think that you've answered your own question, but you haven't made any friends! You asked what to do, I told you that you didn't need to post it as a bad/problem trade. Turns out that what I suggested is pretty much what happened, but you've now alienated a trader.
NO ONE wants to get scammed. But when your asking someone to send first, you have NOTHING to loose. Don't be a bully, but be helpful. "Hey, next time I suggest you don't hit the "shipped" button till you know for certain that it's in the post" would be better than asking for suggestions about how to censor/cancel a trade(r).
Shadroth, I hope you'll give MaxMini's another chance. If your willing to ship first a few more times, you establish yourself, and things get VERY easy....
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Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
2854 Posts
Québec
| | 11/29/2005 2:13 PM |
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Pat, are you on my case now ? Yes, I will admit I was a little impatient but not abusive in any way, I never named the trader nor wanted his head, I asked for advice. Corim helped me see that and I emailed shadroth back with my apologies and things are fine between us. I would haver never cancelled a trade that had already been sent. See how you judge new traders ?
That is what I dislike on maxminis and I asked for help, not patronizing from you. Corim really helped me and I throw my hat off to him. We have become pen pals of sorts and understands my frustrations as a new user, as did Nixlord.
Why you chose to attack me personnaly and tried to "blacklist" me, I do not know and would prefer you keep these kinds of insults or patronizing to emails, please. I am a
reasonable person, once I get my temper down. As shadroth said, let us go on with the trading and not label me a bad trader. Things also worked out between MackeyJ and me, if
that was one reason why you disliked me Pat. Look at my feedbacks...nothing says problem
trader, quite the opposite....
Sorry for this lenghty reply everyone, but I prefer to settle things fast, although emails, I think, are the way to go. | |
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jai
Commander
3235 Posts
| | 11/29/2005 2:52 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Sir Bozak The Damned
Pat, are you on my case now ?
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See how you judge new traders ?
How do you get that from what he posted? He may have been abrasive, but from an external point of view, it looks as though you may have given a new trader a dim view of the community. The only possible reason that i can see for you getting blacklisted is your constant remarks that you are being treated poorly because you are a new trader or a canadian trader. Not many folks will trade with somebody who is constantly insulting the community he wishes to be a part of ... where you are from or how new you are has nothing to do with it, your attitude has everything to do with it ...
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BozakI am a reasonable person, once I get my temper down.
So far this does appear true. Perhaps you should try to get your temper down before you post your replies about how you are a martyr. | | | |
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Wrackspawn
ChristopherGroves
Warlord
6093 Posts
| | 11/29/2005 3:46 PM |
| I don't think Pat was confrontational. The point is recognize that most of us are just people. We have plenty of things going on in our lives and sometimes we either make mistakes or just aren't as diligent as someone else would expect us to be. We don't have a lens into each other's personal lives and there can be alot of good reasons why things go differently than expected.
So, is hitting the button before you actually see the box go in the post a bit on the early side? Sure, since your wife/girlfriend/dog can forget to mail it. Everyone should try to be as good with that as possible.
Then again, we all have things going on in our lives. I did a few trades with the tool where the guy received his end before I clicked the "I shipped" button.
That tool was meant NOT to replace normal email conversation but rather to facilitate the paperwork that some folks like Zenako were doing tracking trade status manually. There is no substitute for contacting someone and having open dialog.
One thing I'd like for EVERYONE to remember is that just because you're on the internet and in front of a PC doesn't mean that the other guy is ... espescially around holidays. Email may be fast, but if there's no one there to read it then it might take a while for a response. | |
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PatEllis15
Commander
4462 Posts
| | 11/29/2005 4:04 PM |
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Originally posted by PatEllis15
Dude, I think you need to reread your original thread, and then read mine. You asked "What is a trader to do when someone send their end much later than they were supposed to..." It seems clear you were looking for advice. You say in your last message that Corim's advice helped, here is what he wrote:
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It is enough to cause frustration and maybe not wanting to deal with a trader again. It is not generally an issue to be referred to "disputed trades".
Here is what I wrote:
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It is not an issue I'd rush over to the "problem trader" thread about.
It might sway my decision to trade with the person again though.
I use "problem", Corim uses "disputed". Other than that, we said the same thing.
Cool your jets...
Pat E
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Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
2854 Posts
Québec
| | 11/29/2005 6:17 PM |
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I was referring to my personnal email communication with Corim Pat, sorry for that misunderstandinng and Jai is right, I tend to type before I think on boards more than in emails. So, my apologies to all, but I still think I was asking for advice on a specific issue, that was resolved with the person and that I asked veterans if they could please "help" me, not "lecture" me. I am done with this argument, I am greatly trying to calm myself but what I view as personnal attacks I am still unable to control... I hope I will be
able to soon, both online and offline. I do not want to make enemies, quite the opposite. | |
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ChristopherGroves
Warlord
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Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
2854 Posts
Québec
| | 11/29/2005 7:00 PM |
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None, I am an Atheist...but I am in therapy, so hopefully I can focus on that soon... | |
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119 completed trades so far...NB called shot: Medusa | |
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