Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
2854 Posts
    
Québec
 | | 02/23/2006 1:20 PM |
| Is it just me or does simultaneous shipping does not usually mean same day shipping to many traders on these forums ? I even email my partners the day before asking if the agreed date is still possible and most answer yes. Not many, but an increasing number actually send later than that day, sometimes without even a reason. I can see two incidences in which this is acceptable: the partner lives in another continent or an unexpected disaster or family or work emergency happens. Otherwise, I hate this type of ever-increasing behaviour. If only it were restricted to new traders...
"Lying" about the actual shipping date on the trade interface is another issue, even more serious that I wonder what other members think of.
My rant is over, but I am under the impression this is an actual issue that I think requires a discussion. [:0] | |
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kestrel.ca
Underboss
1676 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 1:39 PM |
| I'm not sure I agree with that strict interpretation of simultaneous shipping.
IMO, simultaneous shipping means shipping as soon as you are able without waiting until you have received the other's package. I know in many cases with a busy work schedule and a newborn at home, I'm not able to ship until the weekend, even if I've agreed to a trade on Monday. Of course, considering international shipping times, it would be extremely rare that I would receive a package before sending mine out, even if I waited a few days until I was able to make it to the Post Office.
To me, simultaneous shipping is more a sign of trust of the other trader, than a time sensitive issue. I know in the last couple of trades I have had (including with "experienced" traders) that rarely does one side send the next day -- even though it's "simultaneous shipping." And in fact, at least one trade ended up being sent a couple of weeks later! However, this was due to real life circumstances, was clearly communicated throughout, and because of great communication, didn't bother me in the least. | |
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Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
2854 Posts
Québec
| | 02/23/2006 3:59 PM |
| | Perhaps I can see your point when it deals with people you have dealt with before. You are missing my KEY argument, I email the day before to make sure it is still possible for the other side. Then is the time to tell me. If I get a response to wait a few days, we both wait a few days, but sending up to a week before makes it too similar to sending first *Has nightmares about those days...* | |
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reezel
Sergeant
555 Posts
| | 02/23/2006 4:54 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Sir Bozak The Damned
Perhaps I can see your point when it deals with people you have dealt with before. You are missing my KEY argument, I email the day before to make sure it is still possible for the other side. Then is the time to tell me. If I get a response to wait a few days, we both wait a few days, but sending up to a week before makes it too similar to sending first *Has nightmares about those days...*
I think you fail to see just how crazy people's days can get. I have had a minis package sit in my car for a week just because there was no good day to get to the post office during my lunch breaks. It happens to all of us. | |
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Sir Bozak The Damned
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| | 02/23/2006 7:21 PM |
| | I guess, perhaps I am too much of a perfectionnist...[)] | |
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Tactician
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Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
2854 Posts
Québec
| | 02/23/2006 8:37 PM |
| | That happened to me once, I only clicked I had shipped once the other party told me he had received and could not seal the deal, LOL [:o)] So now I play closer attention, although it was hilarous...a 30 second shipping from Canada to the US, I must have psionics or something... | |
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Ghendar
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| | 02/24/2006 7:24 AM |
| Reezel makes a good point. Sometimes life gets in the way. I recently received a package from a new trader and got it on a Saturday. When I agreed to the trade I said I would ship once I received.
However, got the package late on Saturday after my PO was closed. Couldn't ship that day.
PO closed on Sunday - couldn't ship that day
PO closed on Monday (president's day) - couldn't ship that day
Tuesday - had to work late. PO closed after I got out of work.
Wednesday - finally able to ship.
Was I happy with that? Hell no, but not much I could do about it.
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griffrat
Commander
3506 Posts
| | 02/24/2006 7:55 AM |
| I agree with Ghendar, reezel, and kestrel.ca. There is the "spirit" of the send first. MAybe this harkens from the days when the site was young and newer traders were going through the "rite of passage". Perhaps back in those days the distribution of the minis was so whacked (I mean bugbears in the U.K. but not in the states?). I really don't know.
But life can turn on a dime and like Pope said, "The best laid plans of mice and men, often go awry." This is demonstrated in Ghendar's example of the pres. day weekend. As with all trades it is an issue of trust. With the new trader scenario it is a new risk and the trust has not been earned. This is different for each trader and has been rehashed on the boards almost to death. But it all still boils down to you have to earn trust. The thing about the site is that the trust is earned through a proxy, of sorts.
I mean, SBD, we have never traded but I would trust you on a trade. Why? Because you have several trades that have completed have stuck around the site through some rough times and you still post here and try to make the site a better place with contributions and insight. So if you weren't able to send your end for some reason I wouldn't become worried until probably a month had past and hadn't seen anything. I wouldn't see this as a lie or anything of the sorts. I would just chalk it up to life got in the way of what you intended to do. As long as there is open and honest communication, it is all good...
Real life gets in the way and that is a fact. As life increases with pressures the unseen things pop up. I would take a harder look at the "spirit" of sending at the same time than that of the actual time.
But this is just me and I know that working and school eat up a ton of my time and the fact that I have gone through the same thing that Ghendar speaks of....[:D] | |
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Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
2854 Posts
Québec
| | 02/24/2006 2:40 PM |
| I do see the point you are all trying to make, and this post has an "unknown" element to it also, but I was very glad to read that you acknowledge me as a trustworthy person griffrat and it is true I have stayed here despite troubled times. I caused most, if not all of these, but nevertheless. You did hit the "Hot Button" issue with the communication issue. If I know someone will ship late and I was about to ship, I will usually still ship and wait a little longer, LIFE happens. But when someone triggers that sent button on the interface one day and the next day tells me he/she could not ship, I view that as a strike. If the person tells you right away, and earnestly, then all is fine, yet the actual information on the interface is still innacurate. Plus, if we leave the door to lateness open, people will start to take it less seriously.
As my closing statement, Webster's Dictionnary states simultaneous as this:
" a. Occuring at the same time". I will try to take this with a hint of salt, although I
think the main issue remains un-adressed, but thank you all for your opinions and especially griffrat, for his vote of confidence [:)] | |
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Lab Monkey
Commander
4134 Posts
| | 02/24/2006 3:37 PM |
| With simultaneous shipping, I'm usually very good about getting a trade out within 1-3 days from when the trade was agreed to. However, I'm currently in the middle of a trade with Tactician which took me a full 7 days to send. Why did it take so long? Well, I'm the professor for 2 classes at my university, trying to work in the lab to do research, and moving my fiancee across the country. Point being, life is crazy right now and I just couldn't get it together. Sometimes life gets in the way and, unfortunately, minis can't be our top priority. Tactician was more than understanding about it; he should have his DF stuff in another day or two.
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Tactician
Sergeant
888 Posts
| | 02/25/2006 7:25 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Lab Monkey
With simultaneous shipping, I'm usually very good about getting a trade out within 1-3 days from when the trade was agreed to. However, I'm currently in the middle of a trade with Tactician which took me a full 7 days to send. Why did it take so long? Well, I'm the professor for 2 classes at my university, trying to work in the lab to do research, and moving my fiancee across the country. Point being, life is crazy right now and I just couldn't get it together. Sometimes life gets in the way and, unfortunately, minis can't be our top priority. Tactician was more than understanding about it; he should have his DF stuff in another day or two.
Agreed we must remember we have lives!! And as far as Lab Monkey and my trade goes he was very communitive about all from the beginning and that is essential. COMMUNICATION!!!! | |
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Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
2854 Posts
Québec
| | 02/26/2006 12:25 PM |
| | I have to agree that communication is the key, in my case, he issue was resolved, as it ended up being a non-issue. I think these kinds of debate are very helpful, especially for new traders. | |
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PatEllis15
Commander
4462 Posts
| | 02/28/2006 6:02 AM |
| For me simultaneous means only this (pretty much what Kestrel said...): I trust you, and don't see any need to sit on my hands until your figures arrive.
Generally my "pledge" is that I want to get them shipped before I receive them. If I do that, then everyone should be happy.
This is not a black and white world. Sure, people should do their best to be honest about when they are going to send. But as I've said in the past, the mark of a good trade is that everyone is happy (i.e. received their mini's in fair time) at the end of the day. Whether they shipped it one day later than they thought they could shouldn't impact anyone's general feelings about how the trade went.
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Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
2854 Posts
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| | 02/28/2006 1:12 PM |
| I agreed with kestrel and agree with you too.
P.S: Pat, would you ever, for example, trade with me ? Ζ] | |
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Daunte
Sergeant
518 Posts
| | 03/01/2006 3:34 AM |
| Simultaneous to me basically means im not going to worry about when they send out the trade, im just going to send mine the first chance i get, whether that is the day we agree the next day or a week before i can get to the post office thats what it is. I think the main thing is to keep the communication going, thats the most important thing.
What annoys me more is a situation i had a week or so ago. I have a trade thread and i say i will ship simultaneous as long as you have a good trade history or if you were new that i would prefer to ship once mini's were received.. I had a trader (wont mention names) that offered a trade. Didnt say a word about shipping simultaneously or anything just said he would ship out the next day. Being fairly new still i dont know a lot of people with long trade histories. I look for bad traders of course but unless someone comes out and says hey i have been here a while can we ship at the same time i am going to assume they are shipping first. But other then saying he was shipping the next day he said nothing at all. I waited for the mini's to arrive, they did, i got my end ready to ship and it took 48 hours from the time i received to get it shipped out. In the interim i get a nasty ass email about why i havent sent the mini's and marked that i have received and what not.
Once again it all just goes back to communication. I think that is more important then anything else and this may have been a problem with his communication, mine or both but it should never really have happend.
And Bozak, ill never trade with you ever again, im so upset with you right now, you were supposed to send the HRD for the soulknife and never did, im telling my mother!!! | |
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nyjastul69
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2710 Posts
Rhode Island
| | 03/01/2006 1:54 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Daunte
Simultaneous to me basically means im not going to worry about when they send out the trade, im just going to send mine the first chance i get, whether that is the day we agree the next day or a week before i can get to the post office thats what it is. I think the main thing is to keep the communication going, thats the most important thing.
What annoys me more is a situation i had a week or so ago. I have a trade thread and i say i will ship simultaneous as long as you have a good trade history or if you were new that i would prefer to ship once mini's were received.. I had a trader (wont mention names) that offered a trade. Didnt say a word about shipping simultaneously or anything just said he would ship out the next day. Being fairly new still i dont know a lot of people with long trade histories. I look for bad traders of course but unless someone comes out and says hey i have been here a while can we ship at the same time i am going to assume they are shipping first. But other then saying he was shipping the next day he said nothing at all. I waited for the mini's to arrive, they did, i got my end ready to ship and it took 48 hours from the time i received to get it shipped out. In the interim i get a nasty ass email about why i havent sent the mini's and marked that i have received and what not.
Once again it all just goes back to communication. I think that is more important then anything else and this may have been a problem with his communication, mine or both but it should never really have happend.
And Bozak, ill never trade with you ever again, im so upset with you right now, you were supposed to send the HRD for the soulknife and never did, im telling my mother!!!
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Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
2854 Posts
Québec
| | 03/01/2006 2:27 PM |
| Daunte, your Soulknife is mine !!! Now I have a HGD I would trade for a Dread Guard [}:)]
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