Qucalion of Celene
Sergeant
942 Posts
    
Salt Lake City, Utah
 | | 11/23/2006 8:52 PM |
| Is it just me or have people lost the art of the trade?
Does everyone just expect to have an offer for a trade all nice and neat and equally balanced up front, or is the term "we can work from there" just too vague to suggest this.
Perhaps this is merely a rant, but it's frustrating to me to have trades get declines out of hand just because it doesn't include a rare up front.Â
I think it's time to just finish up my trades and be done for a while.
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Qucalion of Celene
Master Champion of the Dice Tale[http://dicetales.kuglerworld.com/]
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WakeXX
Warlord
10131 Posts
Edinboro PA
| | 11/24/2006 10:03 AM |
| You should try dealing with me or Kyrin if you want to haggle,good luck with that! | | | |
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yack
Commander
3164 Posts
Gatineau Canada
| | 11/25/2006 9:27 AM |
| | I like the haggling part.. you should see Rak and me haggle, the trade is never the same as the beginning. | |
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Star
Sergeant
978 Posts
New Britain, CT
| | 11/25/2006 4:33 PM |
| I've proposed trades that were in my favor (according to Madda's) less than a dollar and gotten replies back about how the trade isn't even and they weren't interested. So I've gotten in the habit of proposing trades that were as even as possible - and left little room for haggling.
I'm willing to haggle and even enjoy it. But apparently many people don't. If they have something I want I propose a trade as even as possible - to increase the chances of them accepting. When trades are proposed to me I haggle a bit more. | |
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Krush
Commander
3143 Posts
| | 11/25/2006 8:10 PM |
| I don't mind haggling myself. In the end haggling probably works out for both anyway. As for the "Art of Trading"? Good question, depends on how much you want to trade and how often. The more often you trade the more chance of there being a problem. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I like trading here @ Maxmini's because of the trust and the great community that we have.
My high point was Jan of this year. I traded a bunch(18 total) and the post office employees were sick of looking at me.
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ckissee
Underboss
1431 Posts
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| | 11/27/2006 7:37 AM |
| Haggling is the best part of trading. Not nearly enough people really value the back-and-forth aspect of the trading process, and are after instant gratification. I blame the decline of patience in the younger generation for this (and Wake, of course).
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Thenameless
Warlord
9044 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 11/27/2006 10:49 PM |
| | I love the art of the deal. I've had what I consider to be some legendary negotiations in the past. One negotiation with Thor went almost a year - yes, almost a year. | |
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 11/28/2006 9:12 AM |
| | Wow. That's impressive. I find I'm willing to negotiate in all cases as long as things are moving towards something. Do you think this is a younge vs older thing when you do find there is a problem? The only trade I've done where it was cancelled after the counteroffer I made was done with someone who seemed very immature by the way he terminated the deal. | |
Completed trades: blackthorne, Drakkengi,Thorgrin, Ironfist Boulderbender x2, ckissee, nasamonkey, Username, Star, Ace13 x3, emontedodger x2, Drconveyor, church, Joeyb, Sir Bozak The Damned, Xeromod, the other guy x2, Qucalion of Celene, Dagaron x2, berus316, qillan_dvra, AshloreDarkShadow
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Qucalion of Celene
Sergeant
942 Posts
Salt Lake City, Utah
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Krush
Commander
3143 Posts
| | 11/28/2006 7:07 PM |
| Posted By Thenameless on 11/27/2006 10:49 PM
I love the art of the deal. I've had what I consider to be some legendary negotiations in the past. One negotiation with Thor went almost a year - yes, almost a year.
With Thor that sounds about right. My trade with him took 6 weeks I think. He seems to have fallen off the radar, I haven't recieved a Thor's Trade List in many a moon. What a character.
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 11/29/2006 12:25 PM |
| | Were these with constant offers/counteroffers or was it more an offer was made and time passed before a second? Again, I'm amazed anyone has such patience. | |
Completed trades: blackthorne, Drakkengi,Thorgrin, Ironfist Boulderbender x2, ckissee, nasamonkey, Username, Star, Ace13 x3, emontedodger x2, Drconveyor, church, Joeyb, Sir Bozak The Damned, Xeromod, the other guy x2, Qucalion of Celene, Dagaron x2, berus316, qillan_dvra, AshloreDarkShadow
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Krush
Commander
3143 Posts
| | 11/29/2006 3:29 PM |
| Posted By gss_000 on 11/29/2006 12:25 PM
Were these with constant offers/counteroffers or was it more an offer was made and time passed before a second? Again, I'm amazed anyone has such patience.
For starters yes there were some counters but you do have to add in the Thor factor. I knew what I was getting into and hadn't any problems trading wise with him.
Patience is also helpful.
I wouldn't say trading is a lost art, some of us live in fast state. Also some of us know what we want and don't feel the need to haggle. If I had my way, we'd all have mini teleporters to do our trades so we could get our mini's sooner and cut down on the cost of shipping. | |
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Qucalion of Celene
Sergeant
942 Posts
Salt Lake City, Utah
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6621 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 11/29/2006 4:28 PM |
| | I personally am quite open to haggling. I think that some people don't really have a grasp of haggling. One of the things I enjoy about trading is that we can haggle. In the common marketplace, the concept of making an offer and bargaining is virtually non-existent. I enjoy it quite a bit. | |
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Thenameless
Warlord
9044 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 12/10/2006 6:36 PM |
| Posted By gss_000 on 11/29/2006 12:25 PM
Were these with constant offers/counteroffers or was it more an offer was made and time passed before a second? Again, I'm amazed anyone has such patience.
The latter. We'd get the ball rolling for a week, and then he'd turn into James Bond and have to go off and save the world. A month or two later, I'd get a surprise email asking "where were we?" Then we'd start with the same basic minis (adjusted on my end as I trade on average every 5 or 6 days) and haggle again. Then he'd disappear again. But, we both stuck it out and eventually we had a blockbuster trade of over a hundred figs, and we both ended up happy. | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10301 Posts
United States
| | 02/06/2007 5:31 PM |
| I still take my time on most of my trades, and I still only get about half of the possible trades taken care of, and I still haggle (sometimes too long, and someone else ends up with the trade).
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Shottglazz
Sergeant
970 Posts
Quinte West, Ontario, Canada
| | 04/16/2007 12:15 PM |
| | Hey guys...I'm still new to the trading here, but LOVE to haggle...have one trade in progress with Pikel, another proposed to another user...I've found everyone here great so far...when I have more trades in place, I'll be haggling my heart out... | |
Shottglazz
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Completed trades ( 48 ): Pikel, Darrell, JeffDHarvey, BiggPappa001, Ghendar, Valinrook X2, Wolfgang x3, Wraithborne x5, Mr Ruffles, Anothermullen, CKissee x3, Browns_Scoundrel, Kyrin, GuJiaXian x2, Tyngfumv, Basic_Aim, Mickey Mouse, Berus316, Crisisman, Zoons, Rockfrd, Sterling40 x2, Brucemc, 2007 Magical Mystery Trade, Redskullz x2, Stephengroy, Lyus_Sleyden, Foolforthought, 2008 Magical Mystery Trade, Kilsek x4, Generic Fighter, Auric, Relientkitten
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Wolfgang
Commander
3005 Posts
Milton, Ontario Canada
| | 04/22/2007 4:42 AM |
| | some people take a low offer to heart and that is too bad i spent 7 months on a UN tour in africa and man they can haggle it is so fun it is part of there social interaction i kinda miss those days..... | |
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minatoman38
Underboss
1345 Posts
Minaniuonuma-shi, Japan
| | 04/25/2007 3:09 AM |
| I'll haggle over details. Efforts to expand a trade seem useful at times or request another similiar valued figure in place of one initially proposed but I decline all low ball offers without excuse or discussion.
There are better and more enjoyable ways of wasting time.
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minatoman38
Underboss
1345 Posts
Minaniuonuma-shi, Japan
| | 04/25/2007 3:09 AM |
| I'll haggle over details. Efforts to expand a trade seem useful at times or request another similiar valued figure in place of one initially proposed but I decline all low ball offers without excuse or discussion.
There are better and more enjoyable ways of wasting time
Mind you I don't use the price guide as more than a vague reference either. I tend to scan the marketplace threads to get an idea of relative value as well. | |
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