Tried
Sergeant
501 Posts
    
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| I was just wondering how many Canadians that qualified will actually be coming to GenCon? (I know travel is pretty expensive right now, and I was wondering what percentage of winners will attend.)
So far - I know of
Tried (me)
Phrank
and I stongly suspect
Gnolaum
BadCleric
Iabete
Anyone else planning on showing?
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10427 Posts
United States
| | 06/19/2006 6:58 PM |
| I don't suppose those of us from the states that border Canada count as wannabe Canadians? Heck, there are days I get more Canadian coins in change than I get US coins--that's gotta count for something.
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Neidhart
Skirmisher
37 Posts
| | 06/19/2006 9:25 PM |
| There are four of us going to GenCon from Windsor. Two of us have already qualified -
Dan Burr (Fundin Strongarm)
Terry Dodich (Neidhart - me)
The other two people will be playing in the grinder.
Terry
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CSchroder
Sergeant
413 Posts
| | 06/19/2006 9:52 PM |
| | Bring on the Canadians! Hopefully my buddy Daniel_Tick will show up to represent Brazil and if we get some Brits and Europeans, we may have the start of a Worldwide DDM Championship instead of a mostly American or North American Championship. | |
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Kevizoid
Sergeant
373 Posts
Southern California
| | 06/20/2006 12:31 AM |
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Originally posted by Tried
So far - I know of
Tried (me)
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Tried
Sergeant
501 Posts
| | 06/20/2006 12:52 AM |
| hmmmmm
a LOT of canadians play for california teams.
(ducks, kings, sharks.....). I'm just talking about where you from....
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NeonKnight
Skirmisher
6 Posts
| | 06/20/2006 12:54 AM |
| You can put on that list:
From Vancouver Canada
1st Place Finisher:
TheNamelass (Joeseph Quaizon) CONFIRMED
2nd Place Finisher
NeonKnight (Daniel Thomson) 90% Likely
p.s.
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Janos M.
Underboss
1015 Posts
Hamburg / GErmany
| | 06/20/2006 3:21 AM |
| | I know that there are 3 Italian and one German going to GenCon, but noone from the UK. | |
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alepulp
Underboss
1538 Posts
Manchester, England
| | 06/20/2006 4:19 AM |
| At present I'm not 100% sure who the above are - but Gorstag seems very likely, Orion isn't 100% since he's looking for work. Who is the German? We Europeans need to start a fanclub!!!
My son has qualified from the EUs and I am about in the range for top 25 or so qualification. However, there's not a cat's chance that we'll be there - we booked a holiday in Sweden in Sept. last year and can't call it off without divorce proceedings.[V] | |
One of these days WoTC will update their tournament page when I'm in the top 5... they never seem to do when I'm in that bracket :(
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Thenameless
Warlord
11561 Posts
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| | 06/20/2006 4:53 AM |
| | As stated by NeonKnight above, I will be going to GenCon. Thanks again for giving me the final match, Daniel. | |
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lynchpt
Sergeant
929 Posts
| | 06/20/2006 8:09 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by CSchroder
Bring on the Canadians! Hopefully my buddy Daniel_Tick will show up to represent Brazil and if we get some Brits and Europeans, we may have the start of a Worldwide DDM Championship instead of a mostly American or North American Championship.
I wonder if it is not already a World Championship. What more does it need to do to be considered as such? After all, the competion explicitly held a qualifier in Europe and two or three more in Canada. People from any country can qualify through the Grinder. People from any country can qualify through rating.
One could wish for more qualifiers (and travel awards) in various continents, but I might argue that this would just make the Championships even more "World" than it is now, but would not be required to initially elevate the Championship to a "World" status that it already has.
The population distribution at the Championships will be heavily biased towards North Americans, but then the World Cup is heavily biased towards European teams: there are something like 16 Euro teams compared to about 4 Asian teams, despite the vastly greater population of Asian nations.
The travel costs are no doubt what is keeping a lot international competitors home, but travel will always be a problem as long as the game is not "big money".
The biggest argument to me for "World" status is agin the Grinder. Any competitor who feels he is good enough can come to Gen Con (he has to be there in order to play in the Championships anyway) and qualify through the Grinder.
Another point - any national championships that I can think of in the sporting world are all national because they specifically prohibit participants from other countries.
But here is a counter argument from the Wikipedia entry on the World Scrabble Championship:
"A set number of places is allocated to each competing country and it is then up to individual countries' national associations to determine which of their players will represent them. This is typically done by means of a national ratings system or qualifier tournaments or some combination of the two. A good performance by a national team according to specific criteria will earn further permanent places for that country."
Would we have to do something like this for a DDM Championship to be considered "World"?
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alepulp
Underboss
1538 Posts
Manchester, England
| | 06/20/2006 9:21 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by lynchpt
quote:
Originally posted by CSchroder
Bring on the Canadians! Hopefully my buddy Daniel_Tick will show up to represent Brazil and if we get some Brits and Europeans, we may have the start of a Worldwide DDM Championship instead of a mostly American or North American Championship.
I wonder if it is not already a World Championship. What more does it need to do to be considered as such? After all, the competion explicitly held a qualifier in Europe and two or three more in Canada. People from any country can qualify through the Grinder. People from any country can qualify through rating.
One could wish for more qualifiers (and travel awards) in various continents, but I might argue that this would just make the Championships even more "World" than it is now, but would not be required to initially elevate the Championship to a "World" status that it already has.
The population distribution at the Championships will be heavily biased towards North Americans, but then the World Cup is heavily biased towards European teams: there are something like 16 Euro teams compared to about 4 Asian teams, despite the vastly greater population of Asian nations.
The travel costs are no doubt what is keeping a lot international competitors home, but travel will always be a problem as long as the game is not "big money".
The biggest argument to me for "World" status is agin the Grinder. Any competitor who feels he is good enough can come to Gen Con (he has to be there in order to play in the Championships anyway) and qualify through the Grinder.
Another point - any national championships that I can think of in the sporting world are all national because they specifically prohibit participants from other countries.
But here is a counter argument from the Wikipedia entry on the World Scrabble Championship:
"A set number of places is allocated to each competing country and it is then up to individual countries' national associations to determine which of their players will represent them. This is typically done by means of a national ratings system or qualifier tournaments or some combination of the two. A good performance by a national team according to specific criteria will earn further permanent places for that country."
Would we have to do something like this for a DDM Championship to be considered "World"?
Pat Lynch
We could do the same as the World Series... just call it a World Champ even though they never played another country's player [:p] (actually, World Series name isn't as wild as it sounds - just an anomaly from history). As with many games, DDM has a larger following in North America than elsewhere, but there are tough players elsewhere also. Being a genuine world champ actually means being paired with them and coming out on top. In Europe, each country has its own Metagame - there is no single dominant source of thinking here. [^] This is down to languages and gaming opportunities. [V]
Contrary to common belief, Kiddoc's games weren't as onesided as you would think! He wasn't an American here teaching us the game - but he did win the Atlantic Cup! And deservedly so [^]. However, he did have some luck at the most important moment in that tournament and in the Limited tournament. He was losing a Limited game and needed 2 20's in the final round (I think) and - yeah - he got them... [:o)] Similarly v one of the Czechs he retreated back a Marut and then critted on Ulmo who was just about | |
One of these days WoTC will update their tournament page when I'm in the top 5... they never seem to do when I'm in that bracket :(
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lynchpt
Sergeant
929 Posts
| | 06/20/2006 9:47 AM |
| alepulp,
The end of your post makes me think that two of the key dimensions of baing a World Championship are eligibility and participation. I would say that sponsorship/sanctioning by a recognized authority (as FIFA for the World Cup, and WotC for DDM) is the third required element.
As I noted before, the completely open eligibility of the DDM Championship is right in line with what one would expect of an event of World status.
One can very reasonably argue that an event needs a certain level of international participations to warrant the tital of World. This participation factor is a little more ambiguous. Exactly how much participation is needed? What if each continent (excluding Antartica, I'm afraid) were given the same qualifier deal as Europe was this year - is that enough to meet the requirements for World categorization? If not, how many more. I don't have an answer, but idle minds want to know. Of course, you hit on one easy solution: WotC can call it the World Championships and there you are!
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kgradert13
Sergeant
909 Posts
| | 06/20/2006 10:22 AM |
| I don't consider it "Nationals" at all, even though it is commonly referred to as that.
It is a World Championship. If it was "Nationals" then the top 25 US players would get the auto-invites, not the top 25 in the world. That part alone says to me they don't consider it a US only (or even North America), as it's just as easy to grab the top 25 from the US as it is top 25 overall. | |
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Janos M.
Underboss
1015 Posts
Hamburg / GErmany
| | 06/20/2006 10:27 AM |
| Lynchpt and Alepulp
let me begin with an example:
The Finals of the NBA is called World Championship series I think. But there are only american and canadian teams allowed. So what make them think it deserves the World Championship?
The answer is the players.
Players like the european Nowitzki or the asian Wang Zhi-Zhi are part of teams fighting to become World Champion.
I think a tourney could be a world champion if there are players coming from all around the globe. With the grinder every Person on this planet has the chance to be part of the World Championship, but he/she has to bring the efforts to go to the Grinder and take part. | |
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kgradert13
Sergeant
909 Posts
| | 06/20/2006 10:38 AM |
| I liek the analogy Janos.
Anyone with the skills can play, it's just easier to get noticed (qualified) in the US. | |
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alepulp
Underboss
1538 Posts
Manchester, England
| | 06/20/2006 10:47 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by lynchpt
alepulp,
Of course, you hit on one easy solution: WotC can call it the World Championships and there you are!
Pat Lynch
Sounds like a great idea... of course... it'll not hold waterΖD]. But you knew that - you tease! If we were talking baseball, small rink icehockey, strange format squash or American Football, I don't think there'd be much doubt that a World Champ could be from America alone (may with some Japanese inclusion in the Baseball).[:p]
DDM has, traditionally, been much better supported in America than here. Most players here have been crying out for DCI sanctioned events and major tournaments. Until I got them going, there weren't any international ones here. The fault lies with the way Hasbro are organised in Europe and how they can meet their P&L targets. OP managers don't have a focus that includes DDM - it is mainly M:tG. The P&L demands this. That's the big problem. In speaking to Talafenix, he has spoken to all OP managers in Europe now and I'll have their ear for 2007! We'll have a much larger event as a result. Larger event = more players = more kudos = more cash = more players going to GenCon Indy! That's the equation!!! Until the inequality in support can be dealt with I don't think we can have a genuine World Championship. Note that we've only had one Epic Card in Europe as support (how many in North America?), none of our pre-release tournaments are on the Wizards' website, the EU Champs wasn't on there and the list goes on. And.... we've got a better time of it than Asia!
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One of these days WoTC will update their tournament page when I'm in the top 5... they never seem to do when I'm in that bracket :(
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Tried
Sergeant
501 Posts
| | 06/20/2006 1:39 PM |
| Although this was not the theme of the original post, I'm gonna go with it.
Thought series #1.
Despite the fact that the Bluejays have won the world series, it is not a world championship. Who won the world baseball classic anyway?
(US and Canada both went down hard and early.)
The NBA is not a world championship. The input of foreign talent is directly related to US "dream teams" (not the first one, mind you) getting their butts handed to them by other teams in the olympics (though a lot of this has to do with play style - team play vs showboating.)
Neither the Stanley cup nor the FA cup claim themselves as world championships, yet that does nothing to diminish their mystique or the prestige associated with winning them.
Thought series #2
In DDM, we have an overall sanctioning authority. (DCI)
It is not FIFA that pays the way for the individual teams to attend the world cup. It is the football associations of the individual countries.
With respect to this, it may behoove us to begin to have regional chapters/clubs which attempt to fund their own champions to the big show. Regional clubs of many types have fund raisers, although I'm not sure how to implement this in a cool way with DDM.
Not without including significantly more kids, anyway.
(...and maybe that's a thought worthy of serious consideration. We could start training and having say - two levels of kids divisions. Call them Mites 12-14 and Juniors 15-17? I know that DCI already has a junior division. Would it be particulary tough for us to get/report tournaments specifically for kids?)
To increase the number of qualifiers in foreign locations is almost certainly doable. (this may relate to the Alepulp point re Hasbro money). Perhaps it can follow the grass roots effort that has already started.
(Ramble: BTW - is it in vogue that British consider themselves europeans right now? I know it swings back and forth... I've met those that insisted that they were "not." Despite geographical realities.)
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alepulp
Underboss
1538 Posts
Manchester, England
| | 06/20/2006 2:45 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Tried
(Ramble: BTW - is it in vogue that British consider themselves europeans right now? I know it swings back and forth... I've met those that insisted that they were "not." Despite geographical realities.)
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One of these days WoTC will update their tournament page when I'm in the top 5... they never seem to do when I'm in that bracket :(
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Neon Knight
Sneak
96 Posts
| | 06/20/2006 3:18 PM |
| Put me down as a BIG Yes now. I will be coming. Just booked airfare!
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