Slade7170
Sneak
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 | | 06/28/2006 12:04 PM |
| Does any organizer know if it will be reported as a Limited event or an Extreme event?
Just wondering, the sanctioning form does not allow you to choose 500 point as sealed (and if you do they change it to "Extreme" when they list it on the DCI site.
This being pre-release and hence "special" event, I was wondering if it is different? Do not recall how they listed GoL waaay back when as I wasn't really paying attention to that side of things then.
Just wondering, thanks!
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XenoZephyr
Underboss
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| | 06/28/2006 12:30 PM |
| | If the form doesn't let you choose 500 for Sealed then I'd guess it would count as Extreme/Epic. Just a guess though. | |
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Slade7170
Sneak
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| | 06/28/2006 12:50 PM |
| Yeah, I figured that as well, but was wondering if there was an exception in this case.
The form doesn't allow that, true, then again the form also lists "Quickstrike" instead of Assault (still copywrite 2004 on the bottom), so not exactly current.
That form was right from the DCI site, is there a newer one anyone knows of?
Thanks!
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rilos
Skirmisher
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| | 06/28/2006 1:31 PM |
| From the DDM floor rules
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Limited Formats
· Sealed (Assault)
· Booster Pack Draft (Assault)
Limited tournaments may be held with 100- or 200-point warband limits.
Epic Format
· 500-point Constructed or Sealed (Assault)
so I guess the prerelease should be Extreme. | |
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rilos
Skirmisher
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| | 06/28/2006 1:41 PM |
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Slade7170
Sneak
123 Posts
| | 06/28/2006 2:25 PM |
| Completely missed that on my last read through, thanks!
That pretty much settles that.
Odd, since it means my three July tournaments will be:
Pre-release (Extreme)
Release tourney at local shop (Sealed, but still Extreme)
Then constructed tourney (also Extreme)
Might change the last one to 200 point, but I think getting the big figure play out of our system is good.
Thanks again.
Slade7170
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Originally posted by rilos
From the DDM floor rules
quote:
Limited Formats
· Sealed (Assault)
· Booster Pack Draft (Assault)
Limited tournaments may be held with 100- or 200-point warband limits.
Epic Format
· 500-point Constructed or Sealed (Assault)
so I guess the prerelease should be Extreme.
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Felagund
Sergeant
922 Posts
| | 06/28/2006 5:15 PM |
| Though the Prereleases should be extreme format, if you search for the tournaments on DCI, you'll find that they're all registered as Limited.
So I'm betting they'll all count for Limited, unless somehow they all get switched. | |
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ahmish
Sneak
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| | 06/28/2006 5:37 PM |
| One would assume that the event is limted.
The generally accepted definition of limited in other DCI sanctioned games involves creating a playable warband(deck etc. ) from sealed product.
It would be very odd to have, what is essentially a sealed deck tournament ( even one that currently isn't clearly defined in version 1.4.1 of the DDM DCI floor rules ) count towards Epic/Extreme constructed rating.
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Slade7170
Sneak
123 Posts
| | 06/28/2006 6:54 PM |
| I see that, now that you mention it.
So, as I originally wondered, they are the exception to the general floor rule as 'special events."
DDM War of the Dragon Queen Prerelease #18588 2006-07-01
Format: D & D Miniatures Limited
Event Type: Premier
Status: Pending
Location: Rainy Day Games
18105 SW TV Hwy
Aloha, OR 55555
United States
Coordinator: Jeff Abramson
1 (503) 642-4100
I like that better than three Extreme tourneys in one month. Thanks!
Slade7170
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Originally posted by Felagund
Though the Prereleases should be extreme format, if you search for the tournaments on DCI, you'll find that they're all registered as Limited.
So I'm betting they'll all count for Limited, unless somehow they all get switched.
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Slade7170
Sneak
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| | 06/28/2006 6:58 PM |
| Yup, common sense would call all the sealed 500 point games limited, unfortunately it seems that according to the current floor rules (other than pre-releases/premier events) they are Extreme whether sealed or constructed.
When we submitted one, even with notes below explaining it further, it came up as Extreme on the DCI listings as well.
So, only the Premier event types get that special exception, and then I think only for pre-release.
Slade7170
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Originally posted by ahmish
One would assume that the event is limted.
The generally accepted definition of limited in other DCI sanctioned games involves creating a playable warband(deck etc. ) from sealed product.
It would be very odd to have, what is essentially a sealed deck tournament ( even one that currently isn't clearly defined in version 1.4.1 of the DDM DCI floor rules ) count towards Epic/Extreme constructed rating.
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ahmish
Sneak
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| | 06/29/2006 5:53 AM |
| Right, which is exceptionally odd. It seems counter-intuitive to have a single rating category that incorporates two fundamentally different forms of play.
I hope the DCI fixes this by
A) Allowing 500-point limited events
B) Splitting Extreme/Epic into two new rating categories Extreme constructed and Extreme Limited. | |
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Slade7170
Sneak
123 Posts
| | 06/29/2006 2:07 PM |
| I hope they do, maybe when they roll out the Extreme Championships (or maybe not at all...because they *are* rolling out an Extreme championship...I could see it go either way).
My only concern with an Extreme Sealed category is that 500 point sealed is far more prone to "He who draws the dragon wins" that 200 point. Exception being Large Silver way back when. What I mean is, if you draw a Nightwalker, or Aspect of B or T it is far far harder for your opponents to beat you than in 200 point play.
200 point creatures just have enough inherent synergies to beat most any unsuported titan. In 500 point that is significantly harder (especially with the 12 huges included in the set, instead of in addition, like GoL (72 figs instead of 60).
The other problem with the split is, which points go where?
Whichever is considered the "new" category starts everyone at 1600. They could, I suppose, differentiate people who played in pre-releases and give those and only those points as starting "Extreme Sealed" points.
Any other event listing is not fine grained enough to let them know whether it was constructed or sealed.
Time will tell, I have a feeling that Gencon SoCal will possibly see Extreme Qualifiers or at least an announcement.
:fingers crossed:
Slade7170
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Originally posted by ahmish
Right, which is exceptionally odd. It seems counter-intuitive to have a single rating category that incorporates two fundamentally different forms of play.
I hope the DCI fixes this by
A) Allowing 500-point limited events
B) Splitting Extreme/Epic into two new rating categories Extreme constructed and Extreme Limited.
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ahmish
Sneak
58 Posts
| | 06/30/2006 4:55 PM |
| re: 500-point 'bombs'
I too, have concerns about some figures dominating 500-point sealed WOTDQ. Sealed WarDrums was dominated by AOM/HGB at the last local release tournament. It would be unfortunate IF the event were decided by pack-pull. I anticipate seeing ~ 3 complete sets pulled at the release tomorrow, we'll see if the top finishers are the usual suspects ( solid limited players ) or folks with 'bombs' or some combination of both.
My hope is that the designers balanced and tested the set for 500-point limited play. Corresponding with Ian@WOTC, he mentioned that they've learned at lot from GoL and that WOTDQ should play well as 200-point limited and 500-point limited.
re: ratings split
There isn't a clean way to split existing ratings into Extreme limited and Extreme constructed. IMO the best thing to do is to put 500-point WOTDQ under the "Limited" rating umbrella. Given the relatively low number of DCI Extreme tournaments to date and the somewhat cost prohibitive nature of sealed GoL I wonder how many, if any of the sanctioned Extreme tournaments were sealed GoL.
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