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BigGeorge
Sneak
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 | | 11/20/2006 5:29 PM |
| Disclaimer: I don't want to make a fuss over this, i just wanted to know what people oppinions, and what the official say-so's might be if anyone knows. thanks for your time.
I was at a local game shop tonight, and I heard someone get pulled aside. I know its not right to eavesdrop but i was sitting there playing magic, and i heard a conversation about how a shop owner was angry about a player saying that his new player rating system was stupid, and about how the shop owner was stupid, and his shop was stupid. he mentioned then to the player that he was very angry at that sort of talk in his shop, and that if that player, wanted to play DND minis, they should find a different shop to play at until his anger had abated. i was just wondering if a shop really COULD ban a player for such remarks as things being "stupid" i know a shop can do somewhat of anything it wants when players anger the shop or break their rules, but i really am wondering how much power a shop has in stopping a player from playing in a sanctioned event.Â
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Star
Sergeant
978 Posts
New Britain, CT
| | 11/20/2006 6:20 PM |
| I think that in general the shop owner has the right to allow or not allow anyone anyone into their store that they want.
As far as not allowing someone to play in a sanctioned event that gets a little bit more fuzzy because the player could make the argument that the owner is restricting competition in an event and complain to WOTC.
I think that WOTC would side with the shop owner if the player made the complaint - especially when you substitute "Shop owner" for "Tournament Organizer". Chances are likely that the shop owner is the TO and I'm willing to bet that there are some rules against calling the TO stupid. | |
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hazel monday
Warrior
338 Posts
Baltimore MD
| | 11/20/2006 7:01 PM |
| | The shop keeper was well within his rights to do what he did. Sanctioned event or not. | |
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jack
Skirmisher
11 Posts
| | 11/20/2006 8:05 PM |
| | i am with the shop owner. people should play nice or not at all | | | |
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 11/20/2006 9:18 PM |
| | Not only is it about playing nice, but he's creating a disruptive environment. Plus, talk like that could cause others to decide not to frequent the store. Sure, "stupid" isn't that bad, but who knows where it could go and what others could think. If I was a store owner, I wouldn't want someone essentially advertizing how bad the store is inside my store. | |
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forkedmoon
Underboss
1305 Posts
| | 11/21/2006 2:19 AM |
| | While I can sympathize with the shop owner, if I recall correctly there are proceudres that would have to be followed when banning a player under WotC floor rules. If these are not followed and the player is stopped from participating in a sanctioned event then their could be ramifications. Otherwise I say ban the buffoons! | |
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Ghendar
Warlord
12356 Posts
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| | 11/21/2006 7:11 AM |
| Posted By Star on 11/20/2006 6:20 PM
I think that in general the shop owner has the right to allow or not allow anyone anyone into their store that they want.
Yup.
When the day is done, it's his shop and his rules.
Unless we are talking some type of racial, or other discrimination. That's a whole nother story. | |
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Thenameless
Warlord
11561 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 11/23/2006 1:05 AM |
| | Sometimes it's how you say it, and if it was said exactly that way, then the shop owner is within reason to disallow that person to play. The correct way is to ask the shop owner for a private conversation, and then expression his displeasure in a reasonable and polite manner. | |
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Rick001
Skirmisher
14 Posts
| | 11/23/2006 11:19 AM |
| If a players additude is so bad that it has a been an issue of the morale of the game players in general or the shop in general. Then the store owner has every right to ban them from tournaments.
In my general opinion, players who ave a bad additude in the game. Tend to lessen the enjoyment of those who play just to play. (Yes people play for enjoyment even in tournaments). | |
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 11/23/2006 2:45 PM |
| Posted By Thenameless on 11/23/2006 1:05 AM
Sometimes it's how you say it, and if it was said exactly that way, then the shop owner is within reason to disallow that person to play. The correct way is to ask the shop owner for a private conversation, and then expression his displeasure in a reasonable and polite manner.
This really is the bes way. Shop owners want everyone to have a good time. If there is a problem, especially one that might caus others to stop playing and coming to the store, they are usually willing to talk about it if not work it out. I've seen a couple of owners pull organizers aside and discuss problems that have been brought to their attention. They don't want to lose business, but if you don't address issues in a reasonable manner it will probably be ignores.
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Knoxx
Skirmisher
12 Posts
| | 11/24/2006 3:16 PM |
| | WOW! I think the guy deserves to be banned. I never insult a person in their home or business. I had one boss that was a real jerk, but while at work in his store if anyone insulted him I would ask the person to stop or leave.
If you want to give some input on something. First comment positively on something they are doing then suggest a way to improve the problem area. Being negative never helps and should get you banned. | | | |
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6805 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 11/25/2006 3:58 AM |
| | I definitely feel that the person should not be allowed to play. It's the store owner's perogative. | |
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Zoons
Underboss
1066 Posts
| | 11/28/2006 12:53 PM |
| I'm with the shop owner here too. If I had someone coming into my place of business and making me and others feel uncomfortable, I'd do something about it too. Manners and respect aren't optional. It's ok to voice displeasure with something you don't like. It's even ok to try to encourage change, but when you go over the line with it, you should EXPECT negative reprocussions.
You want to act out, get out. End of story. | |
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delguidance
Sergeant
394 Posts
| | 12/03/2006 6:13 PM |
| Initially I agree that its the shop owner's choice. And in this instance the shop keeper's right.
I also think the original poster has a valid hypothetical question. Its not impossible to imagine an scenario where a shopkeeper could do this with an ulterior motive having larger ramifications. Does a player have a means to appeal to wizards if a tournament organizer has a conflict of interests? I'm just being proactive here. Imagine the amount of posting that would happen if a high ranking player that community trusts felt they were unfairly banned over an insignifcant thing, and if that had an effect on DCI rankings.
And you might say, well then the community would boycot that store. However I don't think that would have a huge effect on the store. If the store has enough magic and dreamblade events it could still get DDM events.
There must be something spelled out somewhere and I'm wondering what that is.
Again, just being proactive. | |
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