striderlotr
Commander
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 | | 03/16/2006 11:39 AM |
| Great, so Saturday night it is! The day of the Grinder would be really bad.
I know that some people may have a problem with this date, so I'll adjust the lsit as needed. Hopefully I can now create the event in the Gen Con database, now that we have a date. | |
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| | 03/17/2006 8:34 AM |
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Originally posted by PatEllis15
I think we now know the date for our event.
Mike Donais has posted in another thread that his understanding is that this year the Grinder will be on Thursday, with the Championship on FRIDAY. I suspect that the top 8 will still be Saturday morning.
Dreamblade will run on Saturday, but Ian told me at WF that he thought Saturday night would be ok. 500 players? Hmmm I'm guessing that a dreamblade game must last 30 minutes if Ian was right.
In any event, I know that we'll have low turn out if we are tyring to play till midnight the day of the Grinder, and right before the Championship.
Sounds like Saturday night!
Pat E
To handle 500 players would require 9 rounds in straight Swiss. Mike Donais indicated in another thread that he would allocate 50 minutes as a typical time for a game to take. Although a tournament of this size would be possible to do at a dedicated event like GenCon, they may decide to use "flights" as I've heard is done at some big MtG events. Basically, you would break the field up into smaller "mini tournaments", and then rejoin the top finishers from each mini tournament into the consolidated tournament.
So, if you had 4 tournaments of about 128, 3 rounds would leave you with 16 3-0 players in each flight. Join the ~64 undefeated players from the 4 flights, and now three more rounds gets you to 8 6-0 players. From here on out you could run single elim or whatever.
Of course, this is just an example. To MtG veterans, is my understanding of how flights works correct? Would it seem to be an appropriate technique to use in an event of this size?
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striderlotr
Commander
3370 Posts
| | 03/17/2006 9:36 AM |
| Pat, that would make sense. It would be 6 rounds to get to the top 8 players, and single ellimination after that. So the whole thing could be 9 rounds long using the flight method.
That sill would be 9 hours of play, so if they give a lunch and dinner half hour, that is 10 hours. Knowing they will start around 10:00 am means it should be completed by 8:pm if everything goes well and there are no problems. | |
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PatEllis15
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4463 Posts
| | 03/17/2006 9:59 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by striderlotr
Pat, that would make sense. It would be 6 rounds to get to the top 8 players, and single ellimination after that. So the whole thing could be 9 rounds long using the flight method.
That sill would be 9 hours of play, so if they give a lunch and dinner half hour, that is 10 hours. Knowing they will start around 10:00 am means it should be completed by 8:pm if everything goes well and there are no problems.
This makes a LOT of sense.
It would also mean just a handful of players would be "on the edge" of being able to play in the MaxMini's Event.
Ian told me at WF that he thought Saturday night at 8ish would be a good time. That certainly DOESN'T sounds like pure swiss with a cut to the top.
Thanks for the info Pat!
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striderlotr
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3370 Posts
| | 03/17/2006 10:57 AM |
| | And that ties perfectly to what Ian said. It could be over right around 8:00. So even if we started early, we would only be missing a handful of people. By 7:00 they could be down to the finals, so only 2 players left. | |
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PatEllis15
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4463 Posts
| | 03/17/2006 2:03 PM |
| Mike Donais posted over on the WotC boards that someone made top 8 in DDM and top 8 in the Dreamblade tourney, that they would "make sure that they don't overlap".
I think this again strengthens our selected time slot...
Pat E | |
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striderlotr
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3370 Posts
| | 03/17/2006 2:24 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by PatEllis15
Mike Donais posted over on the WotC boards that someone made top 8 in DDM and top 8 in the Dreamblade tourney, that they would "make sure that they don't overlap".
I think this again strengthens our selected time slot...
Pat E
Meaning that the tops 8 for both games will be on Sunday. Nice! Our event will not conflict with either of these. Thank you Ian, Shoe, Mike, and who ever else makes up the schedule of events. | |
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striderlotr
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3370 Posts
| | 03/17/2006 2:42 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Benimoto
I expect I'll be there. I went 2-1 last year and won a Dragoneye booster (with a Large Monstrous Spider). I hope to do even better this year. [:)]
I missed your post earlier. I'll add you on right now. | |
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Ghendar
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13099 Posts
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| | 03/17/2006 3:03 PM |
| Sean, do we know yet if it will be Thursday or Saturday?
You know, I never found out last year who got the Archfiends booster I brought and what was in it. [:(] | |
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PatEllis15
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4463 Posts
| | 03/17/2006 4:02 PM |
| Ghendar: the last 5 or 6 posts talk about the date... It will be held on Saturday night.
Yea, someone won my MSD, but I don't know who... I also didn't get to see what someone found in my Archfiends booster!
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Ghendar
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13099 Posts
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| | 03/17/2006 4:33 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by PatEllis15
Ghendar: the last 5 or 6 posts talk about the date... It will be held on Saturday night.
D'oh! Ζ)][:I]
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G's the man. - Posted By greyhaze on 11/11/2008 8:58 AM
I dont mind butting heads every once in a while. It makes thing interesting. Thats why I'd be heartbroken if Ghendar ever left - Posted By Count Dooku on 04/03/2006 11:58 AM
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Ack
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1476 Posts
| | 03/18/2006 7:42 PM |
| we are going to have more than a half-hour.. plus rounds last more than the timed hour.
I still think that an 8p start time is good. Do we know when they are going to be kicking us out of the hall? | |
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AesophDarkfable
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5628 Posts
| | 03/18/2006 10:53 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Ghendar
Sean, do we know yet if it will be Thursday or Saturday?
You know, I never found out last year who got the Archfiends booster I brought and what was in it. [:(]
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PatEllis15
Commander
4463 Posts
| | 03/19/2006 8:25 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Ack
we are going to have more than a half-hour.. plus rounds last more than the timed hour.
I still think that an 8p start time is good. Do we know when they are going to be kicking us out of the hall?
GenCon doesn't close, and rumor has it, WotC will be running their HQ 24 hours a day as well.
Running as a real event means that we will likely be given tables outside of the WotC zone, but still in the sagamore ball room.
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Red Ranger
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708 Posts
| | 03/19/2006 11:01 AM |
| | I've talked to my wife and we're planning on attending, count me in for the MM Draft! | |
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striderlotr
Commander
3370 Posts
| | 03/20/2006 8:38 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by PatEllis15
quote:
Originally posted by Ack
we are going to have more than a half-hour.. plus rounds last more than the timed hour.
I still think that an 8p start time is good. Do we know when they are going to be kicking us out of the hall?
GenCon doesn't close, and rumor has it, WotC will be running their HQ 24 hours a day as well.
Running as a real event means that we will likely be given tables outside of the WotC zone, but still in the sagamore ball room.
Pat E
This also means that we can run as long as it takes. At WF we were cut short because of the hotel, but at Gen Con, we can take our time. We will only be limited by the people who want to drop out from being tired... but who getes tired at Gen Con! | |
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striderlotr
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3370 Posts
| | 03/20/2006 8:42 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Red Ranger
I've talked to my wife and we're planning on attending, count me in for the MM Draft!
I'll add you right now. Just you or is your wife playing also?
We have broken into the 50 player range! | |
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Ghendar
Warlord
13099 Posts
Mud Lick, Kentucky
| | 03/23/2006 2:27 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by AesophDarkfable
quote:
Originally posted by Ghendar
Sean, do we know yet if it will be Thursday or Saturday?
You know, I never found out last year who got the Archfiends booster I brought and what was in it. [:(]
I took an Archfiends last year and got a Gauth. So if it was yours rock on!
That makes me profoundly sad. [:(]
Good for you. [:D] | |
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Could somebody explain Snatch to me? I understand the basics, but not how to enter/use it. - Posted by orcmonk220
G's the man. - Posted By greyhaze on 11/11/2008 8:58 AM
I dont mind butting heads every once in a while. It makes thing interesting. Thats why I'd be heartbroken if Ghendar ever left - Posted By Count Dooku on 04/03/2006 11:58 AM
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striderlotr
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3370 Posts
| | 03/23/2006 11:37 PM |
| | The event has been submitted. We will keep everyone updated on the progress. | |
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PatEllis15
Commander
4463 Posts
| | 03/24/2006 7:32 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by striderlotr
The event has been submitted. We will keep everyone updated on the progress.
Heh... 450 character limit. Yea, that was fun!
Map contest coming up... More later!
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striderlotr
Commander
3370 Posts
| | 03/24/2006 9:32 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by PatEllis15
quote:
Originally posted by striderlotr
The event has been submitted. We will keep everyone updated on the progress.
Heh... 450 character limit. Yea, that was fun!
Map contest coming up... More later!
Pat E
Pat and I spent about 45 minutes on the phone trying to cut the wording of this event down to 450 characters... including spaces. Now we just have to wait and find out about approval. I'm not sure how long that takes, but as soon as I know, I'll let everyone know. It will be great if we can get people signed up for the event prior to getting there. | |
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DaemonKain
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312 Posts
| | 03/24/2006 10:09 AM |
| | I'll be there! | |
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Temperance
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525 Posts
| | 03/24/2006 10:51 AM |
| | I should make it! | |
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striderlotr
Commander
3370 Posts
| | 03/24/2006 10:52 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by DaemonKain
I'll be there!
Your added to the list. | |
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PatEllis15
Commander
4463 Posts
| | 03/24/2006 1:55 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Temperance
I should make it!
Excellent... We all know what we want you to bring for prizes! [:D]
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Kiddoc
Underboss
1797 Posts
| | 03/24/2006 4:54 PM |
| Good news!
I've been offered a position with WoTC as part of the design/development team for their new Xendrik Expeditions campaign--which means it's increasingly likely that I'll be at Gencon (I may HAVE to be at Gencon!). Yip!
Of course, we also just found out that my wife is pregnant, so it'll depend on how she's holding up :)
If I'm at Gencon, it'll be on WoTC's ticket, so 99% of my time will be spent running and managing the campaign, but I'll make damned sure that the off time I get is the night of the draft.
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| | 03/24/2006 5:30 PM |
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Newtoncain
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| | 03/24/2006 5:32 PM |
| 730-800 PM or AM?
Isn't the championship that same day? (Sat Aug12th)
I'll be there 4 sure. | |
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545 Posts
| | 03/24/2006 5:37 PM |
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PatEllis15
Commander
4463 Posts
| | 03/24/2006 9:05 PM |
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Originally posted by Newtoncain
730-800 PM or AM?
Isn't the championship that same day? (Sat Aug12th)
I'll be there 4 sure.
8:00 PM.
The Grinder is being held on Thursday, with the first day of Nationals on Friday. THe final 8 will square off on Sunday.
Saturday is Epic play for DDM, and of course that "little" 500 player Dreamblade tourney...
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Newtoncain
Commander
2985 Posts
Land of 10,000 taxes
| | 03/24/2006 9:21 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by PatEllis15
quote:
Originally posted by Newtoncain
730-800 PM or AM?
Isn't the championship that same day? (Sat Aug12th)
I'll be there 4 sure.
8:00 PM.
The Grinder is being held on Thursday, with the first day of Nationals on Friday. THe final 8 will square off on Sunday.
Saturday is Epic play for DDM, and of course that "little" 500 player Dreamblade tourney...
Pat E
Thanks,
I like this schedule change made by WotC.
I'm still on the fence for the DB.
Any idea when the AAM national tourney is?
Were did you find all the data on the tourney schedule? GenCon Website, Delegate insider info, other? | |
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Lord_Raven
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391 Posts
| | 03/24/2006 10:31 PM |
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Originally posted by Kiddoc
Good news!
I've been offered a position with WoTC as part of the design/development team for their new Xendrik Expeditions campaign--which means it's increasingly likely that I'll be at Gencon (I may HAVE to be at Gencon!). Yip!
Of course, we also just found out that my wife is pregnant, so it'll depend on how she's holding up :)
If I'm at Gencon, it'll be on WoTC's ticket, so 99% of my time will be spent running and managing the campaign, but I'll make damned sure that the off time I get is the night of the draft.
I'll keep ya posted as we go!
Congrads on the Wife/newbie and the Position with WotC!! Very exciting!!
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PatEllis15
Commander
4463 Posts
| | 03/25/2006 8:10 AM |
| quote:
Thanks,
I like this schedule change made by WotC.
I'm still on the fence for the DB.
Any idea when the AAM national tourney is?
Were did you find all the data on the tourney schedule? GenCon Website, Delegate insider info, other?
Straight from Ian Richards. He posted it on the boards, let me go see if I can find the link.
As for AAM (or SWM for that matter) he didn't reaveal anything... Have you heard about a "nationals" for AAM? They didn't run anything like that for SWM last year...
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Newtoncain
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2985 Posts
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| | 03/25/2006 8:16 AM |
| | wishful thinking for AAM on my part. | |
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PatEllis15
Commander
4463 Posts
| | 03/25/2006 11:12 AM |
| I found the link http://www.maxminis.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=17184
It's originally from the WotC boards, but reposted here.
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uncawes
Skirmisher
45 Posts
| | 03/26/2006 3:29 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by striderlotr
Well now that I can put Winterfantasy behind me, I can look to the next big event which is Gencon. As this will be our 3rd annual event at Gencon I'm sure we will need plenty of time to get things rolling and make sure we get everything organized. Pat Ellis and I both spoke with Ian at Winterfantasy to make sure what ever day we plan our event on, it will not conflict with any WotC events. So here is what I have so far for everyone.
I submitted the event to Gen Con
DATE: Saturday Agust 12
TIME: 7:30-8:00 start time
PLACE: Minis Hall
FORMAT:
We will be doing a draft with 200 point boosters which will include Archfiends, GoL, Deathknell, Angelfire, Underdark, Wardrums, and WotDQ.
OK, time for some newbie dumb questions.
7.30-8.00: Morning, or evening? How long do you expect it to run - i'm guessing about four hours?
Sets for the draft: Don't suppose Aberrations could be included in that list?
I'm interested in playing but need to know the morning/evening thing to check for clashes.
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PatEllis15
Commander
4463 Posts
| | 03/26/2006 7:30 PM |
| 8 in the eveing.
We expect 4 rounds (about 45-50 minutes each), so about 4-4.5 hours total.
Because Aberrations is a 100 pt set, pod's that had to many Aberrations boosters would be MUCH weeker than the rest of the field (this is what we experienced last year with pods that had Dragoneye or Aberrations...).
Pat E | |
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uncawes
Skirmisher
45 Posts
| | 03/27/2006 12:00 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by PatEllis15
8 in the eveing.
We expect 4 rounds (about 45-50 minutes each), so about 4-4.5 hours total.
Because Aberrations is a 100 pt set, pod's that had to many Aberrations boosters would be MUCH weeker than the rest of the field (this is what we experienced last year with pods that had Dragoneye or Aberrations...).
Pat E
I got a leave pass until midnight - then I turn into a pumpkin. so, as long as it's OK if I have to bolt a bit early from the last round, count me in please.
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scallamander
Sneak
57 Posts
| | 03/27/2006 1:02 AM |
| this sounds like fun, i'll play if you've got the open spots.
any more clarification on prize to bring to prize pool? any minimum value required?, 6 pack=$7.99 or 1 booster=$12.99, basically anything someone in this tournament is going to value correct?
thanks much,
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PatEllis15
Commander
4463 Posts
| | 03/27/2006 6:55 AM |
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Originally posted by scallamander
this sounds like fun, i'll play if you've got the open spots.
any more clarification on prize to bring to prize pool? any minimum value required?, 6 pack=$7.99 or 1 booster=$12.99, basically anything someone in this tournament is going to value correct?
thanks much,
scallamander
Prizes: In the past we've seen parts of retail kits, random loose rares, sets of commons/uncommons (which for older sets is pretty valuable...), loose boosters, board games, D&D Nostalgia items (I grabbed the monster cards from ~1982 at Winter Fantasy!), chainmail figures (that are legal in DDM) etc.
The last 2 events, the items that went fastest were repainted, or custom figures. Peter Lee has donated Custom carved, cast, and painted Huge Earth Elementals. Some of Runelord's stuff has been featured as well.
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