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09/10/2005 2:43 PM  
I am planning on each player having their own dice rolling box at the top of their play area, and the felt is a great idea to put in it.

I will also make sure not to make the storage area in the players way, I have been wrestling with that part of it actually. Getting the whole physical dimensions of the table set (actual heighth, width, etc) is something I am also trying to work out.

I'll keep you updated on my progress. Thanks!ΖD]

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09/11/2005 12:08 AM  
Kel,
I didn't visualize your design as well before. All your ideas sound really cool. I was just asking a lot of those questions to better understand what you meant. Obviously, a pool table doesn't give you the "gods looking down" feel I was imagining with a drop of more like 10".[:I]

What do you draw/project/layout the dungeon with? I saw you mention plexiglass. do you just draw onto it? And if you put the green felt under the glass (really cool idea) how do you get your grid?

Currently we use a poker table to game at, and I'll say the coin bins work great as dice bins. My wife has WAY too many dice, and she dumps her entire dicebag into the bin at each game. Perhaps using a bin that size for player belongings and such would be a good idea. Have you considered rollout trays like a keyboard tray? Or perhaps hinged to tilt up and lock into place? Have you considered a recessed area under the table, like an elementary school desk, or are you looking more for something under the chair like a high school desk?[?] ((too many ideas flooding out!))

And since you mentioned a removable top, why not have the top just sit on a normal table? Perhaps this would be a cheaper way to go for others building a table on a smaller budget.

Just some ideas. I'm still just daydreaming anyways. My wife won't let me build yet, and my ideas are getting more and more out of control. [:(] Maybe eventually I'll even get the cool projector idea going.

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09/12/2005 12:29 AM  
Making an 8' x 4' battle mat with a 1" grid on it sure is a tedious process. I am 1/4 done with drawing the lines in. Cutting it out was a bit tricky (so I cut straight lines that left a true 8' x 4' rectangle). We laid the vinyl on top of the table and pulled down on the edge (after first putting heavy stuff on top of the table to keep us from pulling the vinyl off the table). I then used a wet erase marker to draw a line on the edge of the table where the bend was. We cut the vinyl and I wiped off the wet erase lines.

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09/18/2005 2:31 AM  
I realize that it's been slow going, but I made more progress on my table. The map, instead of being 1/4 done, is now 3/4 done.

Also, I purchased some vinyl tiles that are green marble color. I will be slicing the 12"x12" tiles into strips of 3.25" width that will go around the entire side of the table for aesthetics. I got a stanley knife to cut the tiles, and the tiles are self-adhesive. I am hoping the adhesive will be strong enough to bond to the wooden table.

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09/23/2005 4:44 PM  
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...tiles are self-adhesive. I am hoping the adhesive will be strong enough to bond to the wooden table.

The adhesive on self-stick vinyl floor tiles is usually pretty strong. I think it takes a while for it to develop its full "hold" ability, but if you place it well and press it down well, then it should be fine. Those sound like a very nice border for your game table. Sounds like a great project!

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09/23/2005 6:37 PM  
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...tiles are self-adhesive. I am hoping the adhesive will be strong enough to bond to the wooden table.

The adhesive on self-stick vinyl floor tiles is usually pretty strong. I think it takes a while for it to develop its full "hold" ability, but if you place it well and press it down well, then it should be fine. Those sound like a very nice border for your game table. Sounds like a great project!

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Thanks. From what you say, it looks like I should borrow my father-in-law's clamps (hard plastic clamps) to hold the tile long enough for the bonding to take place.

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09/24/2005 12:55 AM  
or place some serious weights on the tiles to keep them flat and uniformly bonded. Stacks of Manuals could do the job, or old encyclopedias work well as well...

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09/27/2005 2:16 PM  
Status update: vinyl mat finished (1" grid and black marker border). Ready to start cutting tiles into strips.

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09/30/2005 10:51 PM  
My brother-in-law came over and helped me cut all the vinyl tile segments we needed to cover the sides of the table I have been working on. There is now a 3" band of green marble tile all the way around the edge of the 8'x4' table. The table is finally complete.

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10/01/2005 10:02 PM  
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My brother-in-law came over and helped me cut all the vinyl tile segments we needed to cover the sides of the table I have been working on. There is now a 3" band of green marble tile all the way around the edge of the 8'x4' table. The table is finally complete.



So can we see pictures ?
Please ? Pretty please ?

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10/01/2005 10:14 PM  
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My brother-in-law came over and helped me cut all the vinyl tile segments we needed to cover the sides of the table I have been working on. There is now a 3" band of green marble tile all the way around the edge of the 8'x4' table. The table is finally complete.



So can we see pictures ?
Please ? Pretty please ?

Corim, I do have a camcorder (sp?) that will take digital pics. I then can transfer them to my computer in several ways. I may have to bring it over sometime.

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10/02/2005 1:37 AM  
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My brother-in-law came over and helped me cut all the vinyl tile segments we needed to cover the sides of the table I have been working on. There is now a 3" band of green marble tile all the way around the edge of the 8'x4' table. The table is finally complete.



So can we see pictures ?
Please ? Pretty please ?

Corim, I do have a camcorder (sp?) that will take digital pics. I then can transfer them to my computer in several ways. I may have to bring it over sometime.



That would be great with me. (As I mentioned earlier or in another thread somewhere, I don't have a digital camera of any kind, or a regular one, for that matter.)

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10/11/2005 11:03 AM  
anyone else have pics of their homemade gamming tables?

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10/11/2005 11:18 AM  
Here are some links to pics...


http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=4325481&a=31871608&p=72608103

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=4325481&a=31871608&p=72608106

I have thought about re-doing another table. Same size but with the legs of the table secured with carrige bolts, and with a the top part being made out of 3/4" plywood instead of the 3/8". A heavy table, I feel would be more steadfast against movement. Yet, it would be able to be disassembled.

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Here are some links to pics...


http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=4325481&a=31871608&p=72608103

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=4325481&a=31871608&p=72608106

I have thought about re-doing another table. Same size but with the legs of the table secured with carrige bolts, and with a the top part being made out of 3/4" plywood instead of the 3/8". A heavy table, I feel would be more steadfast against movement. Yet, it would be able to be disassembled.

Thank you.

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10/11/2005 4:12 PM  
Thanks!! I am looking forward to this weekend. I am taking vacation and Grad School has a "Fall Break" So I am going to shore up the gaming table and paint!!! [:D]

Thanks again for the compliment....[:I]

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11/07/2005 3:57 PM  
I came up with this rough idea today:



I like to keep everyone close togheter, it gives a nice sense of an adventuring party. Each player has space to keep their own notes, and there is space to keep drinks and food out of the playing area.

The DM has plenty of space, and the cover of the table can open up to store books and props when not in use.

The board is plexiglass, and under it I can place a battlegrid, a premade map or anything else.

The vertical spaces can store a standard D&D core book.

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11/07/2005 10:22 PM  
Very nice visual of the idea. How large are the dice areas?

Some things to work out before construction:
What kind of support (legs) will the table have?
Will the dice areas contain the rolling dice?
I think plexiglass will work great--it can be an expensive solution. (If you have plenty of money to make the table with, I think it is a great idea.)

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11/08/2005 9:31 AM  
I have simplified the design a bit. I realized I needed more space under the battlemat so that the core D&D books can be opened inside the player's area.

I also think that the vertical storing areas might be more trouble than they are worth, so I discarded them. I belive that, when designing furniture, less is more.

I just added the legs to get an idea of the height of the table. I plan to add drawers and shelves under the DM's area to store miniatures and books.

The dice rollers are just sunken areas to avoid the dice from falling to the floor and rolling over minis, very similar to the "Ultimate Gaming Table" roller areas. They should not work 100% of the times, but should reduce the happening.

The battlemat/dice roller surface can be removed to acces the space under it. It can be uised to store props, books and any other stuff you won't be needing during play.

I think the DM needs a little more height to his screen tough. I might add a small recess so I can place the DM's screen from WoTC on top of it.

What do you think?


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11/08/2005 9:45 AM  
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I came up with this rough idea today:



Yeah, I'm not really quite getting it... could you come up with something a little more detailed? [:p]

Seriously, with the raised battle area and player areas, that's very similar to what I've been envisioning (although I could never make plans that look like that) although I hadn't though of an irregularly shaped table. That's a cool idea -- what happens though with larger groups?


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11/08/2005 9:54 AM  
well if you look at the second design you will realize how rought the first one was (tough I haven't done the perspective for the 2nd one).

lol, just realized I made the table for 5 players, and my gaming group has 6 players and me (DM)...

oh my, at least the second design is simple enough to expand.

I really don't think a RPG group should have more than 6 players, it takes forever to resolve combat and some players might shine more than others. I belive 4 to be the magic number, but I have always played with 5 to 6 players.

I will redo my plans to fit in another player.

Feel free to use my plans, recreate them or simply use them as a base to work with :)

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11/08/2005 10:09 AM  
Arhurt, those are incredible!

Our table is pretty big, but is awfully "rough". We tried to ahve teh same thing you do. We have a large table (probably 3.5x7), with a smaller table with about 7 inch leggs that sits on top. This allows reference materials to lie undernearth, while the battlemats and figs go on top. Only problem is that overall it's too tall.

My budding is a bit of a carpenter... maybe I can entice him!


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11/08/2005 11:20 AM  
WOW!! THat is something that I have been wrestling with for some time. Those plans are awesome!! What are deminsions???

I was thinking about extending the sides to accomidate more folks. Man this has really got me thinking....[:D]

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11/08/2005 11:55 AM  
Yah my first thought was not enough space for players since we have a large group that sometimes has close to 10 people. It is large and some battles take a while to run, but everyone enjoys each other and the social aspects of the gathering as well. Currently we use two banquet tables side by side to put down my 2 mega mats next to each other. Lets us engage in decent outdoor settings.

My plan is to set up a 5' x 9' gaming table (that will double as a ping pong table for the 11 year old) and that will fit the MondoMat I picked up a couple of months ago. (Cashed in some trade credit.)

hard part has been finding a lumberyard that stocks 5 x 9 foot playwood. Lowes and Home Depot just shrug.....sigh. (I know where to go, just haven't made the side trip yet...)

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11/08/2005 1:08 PM  
Wow, 10 people! I can't imagine how to DM for 10 people!

Anyway, here is the layout for my group of 6 players:



I decided to go with 3 legs, as that gives me the most stability possible.

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11/08/2005 1:19 PM  
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Wow, 10 people! I can't imagine how to DM for 10 people!



Well first , we seldom get 100% to show up with a group that size. We have split up much of the responsiblities of conducting battles, which is the main time in which large groups really pose a issue. One of the sorcerors has pulled together a master prep spell list and who has cast what. (This is an OA campaign and the Nobles carry a lot of weight and can to some extent dictate.) Miya Hatori's player helps to keep the PC's coordinated along those lines. Zenako's player (my character in this game) keeps track of all Initiatives and prompts everyone that is active, on deck, whatever. The DM is the one who has the toughest job to keep his forces working well together and effectively. This particular DM has always been long on battles and short on plot for most of his campaigns, so the balance of battle versus talk actually fits his style pretty well.

One observation that comes to mind is how much the battlefield can change between actions when there are perhaps a dozen beings acting between your actions! Foes that were about to crush you might have been cleared out multiple times between actions, but that is also true for others. So it requires attention to what is happening.

Enough of this digression and back to gaming tables.....

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11/08/2005 1:23 PM  
I will need to reduce the size of the useful area for players and myself, I know we will have to get up from our chairs to move miniatures, but the current size makes it hard to move miniatures in the middle of the map:



Even the DM, whom is closer to the battlemat, has a hard time getting to the whole thing:




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11/08/2005 1:37 PM  
get some of those little pusher rods like you always see on the old war movies when the Generals back at HQ are moving the troops around the battle maps and making plans...

Seriously that is why going much deeper than a total width of 5' can become an issue for a gaming table. Everyone does not need to be able to reach everywhere, BUT, everywhere should be readily reachable.

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11/08/2005 1:48 PM  
What about making the table more of an oblong octagon. This might allow for movement around the table and DM monster movements...

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11/08/2005 2:36 PM  
I've redone the table design:



That increased the reach for the DM and the players by about 12%



Still, the area we can work with without uncomfortable scretching is about 1/2 of the battlefield (the edges are discarded, as they are seldomly used):



I might try for a more oblong octagon as you suggested tomorrow. I like the looks of this table, it is very poker-ish.



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11/08/2005 3:30 PM  
The work you have done thus far is awesome!! It has given me so many ideas to change my table with.....thanks

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11/12/2005 10:50 PM  
Very good work arhurt.

This is what I would like to see more of.

If I ever get the time to relearn my CAD skills, I would be drawing up several myself.

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11/14/2005 12:49 PM  
Well, I finally got some time to work a little more on my project:



I decided to add more legs, as I belive that players will often try to reach farthest using the table as a base.

I also came back with the vertical shelves to store books, after careful consideration I belive they will improve the actual writing area taking the piles of rulebooks out of the table.

Take a look at my estimated measurements and share your ideas:











If someone actually builds up one of these, please post pictures for us to see, I don't think I'll be able to get mine going for a long time, as there is no room at my house to fit it right now (we play at the dinner table).

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11/18/2005 5:20 PM  
Here's a link I just found:
http://www.twilightavengers.org/wld/table.html

In a few of the pictures you can see that the guy has shelves for his DDM collection. I think it's pretty well done.

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The guy's in Houston. Zeb?

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11/18/2005 7:00 PM  
Now, arhurt HAS done his homework! excellent stuff!
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Here's a link I just found:
http://www.twilightavengers.org/wld/table.html

In a few of the pictures you can see that the guy has shelves for his DDM collection. I think it's pretty well done.

Edit:
The guy's in Houston. Zeb?



THANKS for finding this guy. His room and my new one have many things on common and I have been working on what I want and how I want to execute the gaming table. This table has a number of great ideas that I am likely to borrow. My game room is about 16 x 24 and also has 3 sets of lights almost like his with seperate switches as well. Will not need the intercom since it is part of the house, and not a garage but some real nice approaches to making that table. I also note that the room has some pretty darn nice chairs for gaming in, about 4 steps up from folding metal ones like I currently have (since we used to have to be able to stash the tables and chairs away after sessions to use the old family room for other uses....)

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11/18/2005 7:54 PM  
Hmmm .. I see some good ideas here ... but why hasn't anyone suggested placing the central game area on a lazy susan to allow it to rotate, thus allowing the DM to reach everyplace on the map?

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11/18/2005 8:01 PM  
Well in my case I intend to be using the MONDO mat I picked up this fall and that thing don't readily rotate, unless we got something like a RR turntable to mount it on....

Seriously, while a rotating table can be cool (our Scrabble board is on a lazy-susan and it really helps there), it might be more hassle than it is worth. People get fixated on relative positions of features in an encounter and where there character is at a given time, that rotating the universe on them could case all sorts of mental disruptions and probably lead to exploding craniums with some players.

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... and probably lead to exploding craniums with some players.

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11/28/2005 3:29 PM  
I've been doing some thinking about this whole 'game table' thing, and I've decided it will be my next big project - but as my free time is limited, and my access tot he tools I need is limited, it is probably a 1 to 2 years project.

I'm working on the rough plans right now, but here are the features I plan to incorporate:

1) 6 player stations and 1 DM station.

2) A central lazy susan (lockable in 8 different orienatations) to make sure that all players and the DM can reach every section of the board without getting out of their seat.

3) Each player station will feature a 12" X 18" 'see through' surface above a 2" tall cubby, to allow players to have extra storage space to stick their reference sheets / open books.

4) Each player station will also feature a pencil holder, dice holder, built in calculator, built in lighting, drink holder and storage space for minis.

5) The player stations will be 'tilted' instead of perpendicular to the center of the table, allowing the closest point between the center of the table and the player to be at the shoulder (to increase the player's reach towards the center of the board) (FYI: This should extend the 'reach' of each player by about 5" across the play surface).

6) There will be 5 right handed seats, and 1 left handed seat (the handedness comes into play due to the tilting of the play area mentioned above, and the layout of the assorted trays/storage spaces).

7) The DM station will feature a built in monitor/keyboard/mouse for plugging in a notebook computer.

8) The DM station will also feature built in shelving for housing all the necessary books.

9) The DM station will have areas to conceal die rolling, etc ... that will not cut off line of sight to players.

10) The table will be designed to serve equally as well as a game table, and as a buffet table for when the guys come over to watch football, or the significant other has friends over for a nice dinner party.

So far, the hardest part has been balancing leg room, shoulder/chair room, reach to the play area, preventing players from crossing into each other's work areas, and work area design for each player.

Once I have the rough details down, I'll draw up formal plans and post them.

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