Mindtrick
Warrior
234 Posts
    
 | | 03/14/2006 1:45 PM |
| Listed below are the Dreamblade (DB) minis found in the rulebook, on WotC's site and from pics of the minis posted from other sources. I will update this list from time to time as newer information comes available. Please post other minis and stats as you find them.
Notes:
1) The bases are color coded according to Aspect type-
Valor = blue
Madness = gray
Fear = green
Passion = purple
2) I was planning on using the following shorthand for describing the Blades indicators (if anyone else has come up with a different idea please post it here)-
B = Blade
BB = Double Blade
M = Multiblade
MM = Double Multiblade
3) I don’t know what the circle with the dot inside of it means but I assume it is one of the “miss” icons on the attack dice. For now I was going to call it O. Not sure if the two different dots on the attack dice will be called out differently in game text or not.
4) I have broken the list into two groups, those with a mini number (out of 96) and those without.
5) The Combined Cost category is a combination of Spawn Cost and Aspect Cost. This does not always reflect the total cost required to spawn the creature. If you have other creatures of the same aspect in play already the Aspect Cost portion of this number is reduced. The number of times the Aspect abbreviation appears reflects how many points it will cost (V = 1, VV = 2, VVV = 3 etc.). The abbreviations used for the Aspects are as follows:
Valor = V
Madness = M
Fear = F
Passion = P
6) A “-“ by itself in a category means that creature does not have that type of information.
7) We now know the following about the first set of 96 Dreamblade Minis:
7 Names
11 Names and Aspects
11 Names, Aspects and Partial Stats
29 Names, Aspects and Full Stats (minus a few #’s and rarities)
That’s information on 58 out of the 96 minis in the game, not bad for it still being about 4 months from the official release!
 Listed here are Dreamblade Minis whose Aspects and Stats are not known yet:
Ardent Zungar
Doomsinger
Forgeblind Punisher
Glorious Knight
Hellshrieker
Jack of Blades
Maniacal Gunman
Dreamblade Minis
Mini Name : Brighthammer Avenger
Set : ????
# : ?
Rarity : ?
Lineage : Bloodcut
Spawn Cost : 8
Aspect : Valor
Aspect Cost : 1
Combined Cost : 8V
Power : 0
Defense : ?
Life : ?
Ability : Charge 6 - Whenever this creature enters an enemy-occupied cell, it makes a 6-power attack against target enemy in that cell.
Mini Name : Eagle-feather Warrior
Set : ????
# : ?
Rarity : ?
Lineage : -
Spawn Cost : 6
Aspect : Valor
Aspect Cost : 2
Combined Cost : 6VV
Power : 3
Defense : 6
Life : 6
Ability : Reinforce Valor - ? (Not clear in rulebook)
Mini Name : Inscribed Axebeast
Set : ????
# : 6
Rarity : U
Lineage : Janus
Spawn Cost : 10
Aspect : Valor
Aspect Cost : 1
Combined Cost : 10V
Power : 6
Defense : 11
Life : 13
Ability : Vengeance 3 - This creature can be spawned only if an opponent has won three or more turns.
Mini Name : Inspired Samurai
Set : ????
# : ?
Rarity : ?
Lineage : -
Spawn Cost : 4
Aspect : Valor
Aspect Cost : 1
Combined Cost : 4V
Power : 1
Defense : 5
Life : 8
Ability : Bodyguard - Prevent opponents from assigning damage to other local allies until enough damage has been assigned to disrupt or destroy each local creature with the Bodyguard ability.
Mini Name : Knight of Tomorrow
Set : ????
# : 9
Rarity : C
Lineage : -
Spawn Cost : 5
Aspect : Valor
Aspect Cost : 1
Combined Cost : 5V
Power : 2
Defense : 7
Life : 8
Ability : B: Skirmish - You may move target engaged ally one cell.
Mini Name : Loyal Scragglemaw
Set : ????
# : 10
Rarity : U
Lineage : -
Spawn Cost : 9
Aspect : Valor
Aspect Cost : 1
Combined Cost : 9V
Power : 4
Defense : 11
Life : 12
Ability : -
Mini Name : Lunar Handmaiden
Set : ????
# : ?
Rarity : ?
Lineage : ?
Spawn Cost : ?
Aspect : Valor
Aspect Cost : ?
Combined Cost : ?
Power : ?
Defense : ?
Life : ?
Ability : ?
Mini Name : Mirrorman
Set : ????
# : ?
Rarity : ?
Lineage : Janus
Spawn Cost : 6
Aspect : Valor
Aspect Cost : 1
Combined Cost : 6V
Power : 3
Defense : 8
Life : 9
Ability : -
Mini Name : Noble Dragon
Set : ????
# : ?
Rarity : ?
Lineage : -
Spawn Cost : 12
Aspect : Valor
Aspect Cost : 1
Combined Cost : 12V
Power : 6
Defense : 11
Life : 12
Ability : "B: Payback - This creature deals +X damage this combat, where X is the
power of target local enemy."
Mini Name : Pearlthorn Castle
Set : ????
# : ?
Rarity : ?
Lineage : -
Spawn Cost : 3
Aspect : Valor
Aspect Cost : 2
Combined Cost : 3VV
Power : -
Defense : -
Life : -
Ability : O: Move target adjacent ally into this cell.
Mini Name : Runetagged Brawler
Set : ????
# : ?
Rarity : ?
Lineage : -
Spawn Cost : 3
Aspect : Valor
Aspect Cost : 1
Combined Cost : 3V
Power : 2
Defense : 5
Life : 5
Ability : -
Mini Name : Saint of Roses
Set : ????
# : ?
Rarity : ?
Lineage : -
Spawn Cost : 8
Aspect : Valor
Aspect Cost : 1
Combined Cost : 8V
Power : 5
Defense : 9
Life : 11
Ability : "Defender - When you shift, this creature can't move into a cell that contains one or more
enemy creatures."
Mini Name : Savannah Dreamhunter
Set : ????
# : ?
Rarity : ?
Lineage : -
Spawn Cost : 7
Aspect : Valor
Aspect Cost : 1
Combined Cost : 7V
Power : 3
Defense : 8
Life : 9
Ability : M: Crit 1 - Deal +1 damage this combat.
Mini Name : Twilight Scout
Set : ????
# : 22
Rarity : C
Lineage : Bloodcut
Spawn Cost : 5
Aspect : Valor
Aspect Cost : 1
Combined Cost : 5V
Power : 3
Defense : 5
Life : 7
Ability : B: Advance - You may move target unengaged ally one cell.
Mini Name : Zungar Bodyguard
Set : ????
# : ?
Rarity : R
Lineage : ?
Spawn Cost : 9
Aspect : Valor
Aspect Cost : 2
Combined Cost : 9VV
Power : 3
Defense : 6
Life : 10
Ability : Bodyguard - Prevent opponents from assigning damage to other local allies until enough damage has been assigned to disrupt or destroy each local creature with the Bodyguard ability.
Mini Name : Faceless Stalker
Set : DB
# : 35
Rarity : C
Lineage : Lost
Spawn Cost : ?
Aspect : Madness
Aspect Cost : ?
Combined Cost : ?
Power : 3
Defense : 5
Life : 12
Ability : Fortunate 2 - Whenever this creature attacks, reroll up to 2 dice.
Mini Name : Gateway-to-Psychosis
Set : DB
# : ?
Rarity : ?
Lineage : ?
Spawn Cost : ?
Aspect : Madness
Aspect Cost : ?
Combined Cost : ?
Power : ?
Defense : ?
Life : ?
Ability : ?
Mini Name : Iron Thug
Set : ????
# : ?
Rarity : ?
Lineage : -
Spawn Cost : 9
Aspect : Madness
Aspect Cost : 1
Combined Cost : 9M
Power : 6
Defense : 6
Life : 14
Ability : B: Fumble 2 - Deal -2 damage this combat.
Mini Name : Jack-in-the-Box
Set : ????
# : 39
Rarity : R
Lineage : Janus
Spawn Cost : 4
Aspect : Madness
Aspect Cost : 1
Combined Cost : 4M
Power : 6
Defense : 3
Life : 9
Ability : Fade - If this creature attacks, banish it at the end of that combat (unless it has been destroyed).
Mini Name : Malborn Croc
Set : ????
# : 40
Rarity : ?
Lineage : ?
Spawn Cost : ?
Aspect : Madness
Aspect Cost : ?
Combined Cost : ?
Power : 4
Defense : 5
Life : 15
Ability : -
Mini Name : Misbegotten Mutant
Set : ????
# : 41
Rarity : U
Lineage : -
Spawn Cost : 6
Aspect : Madness
Aspect Cost : 1
Combined Cost : 6M
Power : 3
Defense : 3
Life : 9
Ability : B: Crit 5 - Deal +5 damage this combat. ; M: Fumble 5 - Deal -5 damage this combat.
Mini Name : Spellbound Scissors
Set : ????
# : ?
Rarity : ?
Lineage : Janus
Spawn Cost : 2
Aspect : Madness
Aspect Cost : 1
Combined Cost : 2M
Power : 2
Defense : 2
Life : 5
Ability : Regenerate - When this creature would be destroyed, banish it instead. It doesn’t get to make a deathblow. Your opponent doesn’t score a conquest point for this creature during the next conquest phase, and you don’t get any bonus spawn points for it during your next spawn phase.
Mini Name : Straight Jacket
Set : DB
# : ?
Rarity : ?
Lineage : ?
Spawn Cost : ?
Aspect : Madness
Aspect Cost : ?
Combined Cost : ?
Power : ?
Defense : ?
Life : ?
Ability : ?
Mini Name : Unspeakable Freak
Set : ????
# : ?
Rarity : ?
Lineage : ?
Spawn Cost : ?
Aspect : Madness
Aspect Cost : ?
Combined Cost : ?
Power : ?
Defense : ?
Life : ?
Ability : ?
Mini Name : Windborne Blademaster
Set : ????
# : ?
Rarity : ?
Lineage : -
Spawn Cost : 11
Aspect : Madness
Aspect Cost : 1
Combined Cost : 11M
Power : 6
Defense : 6
Life : 14
Ability : B: Crit 5 - Deal +5 damage this combat. ; B: Dissipate - ? (Not in Rulebook)
Mini Name : Alastair
Set : DB
# : ?
Rarity : ?
Lineage : ?
Spawn Cost : ?
Aspect : Fear
Aspect Cost : ?
Combined Cost : ?
Power : ?
Defense : ?
Life : ?
Ability : ?
Mini Name : Beautiful Demon
Set : DB
# : ?
Rarity : ?
Lineage : ?
Spawn Cost : ?
Aspect : Fear
Aspect Cost : ?
Combined Cost : ?
Power : ?
Defense : ?
Life : ?
Ability : ?
Mini Name : Blight Rat
Set : DB
# : ?
Rarity : ?
Lineage : -
Spawn Cost : ?
Aspect : Fear
Aspect Cost : ?
Combined Cost : ?
Power : 4
Defense : 7
Life : 10
Ability : -
Mini Name : Cannibal Pariah
Set : DB
# : ?
Rarity : ?
Lineage : ?
Spawn Cost : ?
Aspect : Fear
Aspect Cost : ?
Combined Cost : ?
Power : ?
Defense : ?
Life : ?
Ability : ?
Mini Name : Dreadmorph Ogre
Set : ????
# : ?
Rarity : ?
Lineage : ?
Spawn Cost : ?
Aspect : Fear
Aspect Cost : ?
Combined Cost : ?
Power : 6
Defense : 10
Life : 13
Ability : ?
Mini Name : Eater?????
Set : DB
# : ?
Rarity : ?
Lineage : ?
Spawn Cost : 11
Aspect : Fear
Aspect Cost : 2
Combined Cost : 11FF
Power : 7
Defense : 10
Life : 15
Ability : O: ?????
Mini Name : Ekkyon Wayfarer
Set : ????
# : ?
Rarity : ?
Lineage : ?
Spawn Cost : ?
Aspect : Fear
Aspect Cost : ?
Combined Cost : ?
Power : ?
Defense : ?
Life : ?
Ability : ?
Mini Name : Fleshless Reaper
Set : ????
# : ?
Rarity : ?
Lineage : ?
Spawn Cost : 8
Aspect : Fear
Aspect Cost : 1
Combined Cost : 8F
Power : 0
Defense : 7
Life : 10
Ability : Ambush 6 - This creature makes an 6-power attack against each enemy creature that enters its cell. If more than one enemy enters the cell at the same time, make an attack against each one.
Mini Name : Hive Pincer
Set : ????
# : 61
Rarity : C
Lineage : Hiveling
Spawn Cost : 3
Aspect : Fear
Aspect Cost : 1
Combined Cost : 3F
Power : 2
Defense : 2
Life : 3
Ability : B: Flanking 4 - If you control more creatures in this cell than each opponent, deal +4 damage this combat.
Mini Name : Knight of Autumn Gate
Set : DB
# : ?
Rarity : ?
Lineage : ?
Spawn Cost : ?
Aspect : Fear
Aspect Cost : ?
Combined Cost : ?
Power : ?
Defense : ?
Life : ?
Ability : ?
Mini Name : Night Queen
Set : ????
# : 66
Rarity : R
Lineage : Hiveling
Spawn Cost : 6
Aspect : Fear
Aspect Cost : 3
Combined Cost : 6FFF
Power : 3
Defense : 6
Life : 9
Ability : DB: Purge - Target opponent puts a creature of your choice from his or her reserves into his or her graveyard.
Mini Name : Thunder Sultan
Set : DB
# : ?
Rarity : ?
Lineage : ?
Spawn Cost : ?
Aspect : Fear
Aspect Cost : 3
Combined Cost : ?FFF
Power : 5
Defense : ?
Life : ?
Ability : ?
Mini Name : Alluring Succubus
Set : ????
# : 73
Rarity : U
Lineage : -
Spawn Cost : 5
Aspect : Passion
Aspect Cost : 1
Combined Cost : 5P
Power : 4
Defense : 3
Life : 5
Ability : B: Lure - You may pull target unengaged enemy one cell (closer to this creature).
Mini Name : Axemorph Demon
Set : ????
# : ?
Rarity : ?
Lineage : ?
Spawn Cost : 12
Aspect : Passion
Aspect Cost : 2
Combined Cost : 12PP
Power : 6
Defense : ?
Life : 11
Ability : DB: Crit 10 - Deal +10 damage this combat.
Mini Name : Bladehound
Set : ????
# : ?
Rarity : ?
Lineage : ?
Spawn Cost : ?
Aspect : Passion
Aspect Cost : ?
Combined Cost : ?
Power : ?
Defense : ?
Life : ?
Ability : ?
Mini Name : Blind Spikemauler
Set : ????
# : 76
Rarity : C
Lineage : -
Spawn Cost : 4
Aspect : Passion
Aspect Cost : 1
Combined Cost : 4P
Power : 2
Defense : 2
Life : 4
Ability : B: Crit 4 - Deal +4 damage this combat.
Mini Name : Boneblade Serpent
Set : ???
# : 79
Rarity : C
Lineage : Hellbred
Spawn Cost : 5
Aspect : Passion
Aspect Cost : 1
Combined Cost : 5P
Power : 3
Defense : 3
Life : 5
Ability : B: Ferocity - If target local enemy becomes disrupted this combat destroys it instead.
Mini Name : Dreamreef Marauder
Set : ????
# : ?
Rarity : ?
Lineage : ?
Spawn Cost : 8
Aspect : Passion
Aspect Cost : 1
Combined Cost : 8P
Power : 7
Defense : 5
Life : 8
Ability : Loner - This creature can’t attack when other creatures are attacking, not even with a deathblow.
Mini Name : Flame Horrower
Set : DB
# : ?
Rarity : ?
Lineage : ?
Spawn Cost : ?
Aspect : Passion
Aspect Cost : 2
Combined Cost : ?PP
Power : ?
Defense : ?
Life : 7
Ability : ?
Mini Name : Heartsblood Temple
Set : ????
# : ?
Rarity : U
Lineage : -
Spawn Cost : 3
Aspect : Passion
Aspect Cost : 2
Combined Cost : 3PP
Power : -
Defense : -
Life : -
Ability : At the beginning of your spawn phase, if there are any local or adjacent enemies, gain +2 spawn points.
Mini Name : Lone Wolf
Set : ????
# : ?
Rarity : ?
Lineage : ?
Spawn Cost : 11
Aspect : Passion
Aspect Cost : 1
Combined Cost : 11P
Power : 8
Defense : 7
Life : 10
Ability : Loner - This creature can’t attack when other creatures are attacking, not even with a deathblow.
Mini Name : Redcap
Set : DB
# : ?
Rarity : ?
Lineage : ?
Spawn Cost : ?
Aspect : Passion
Aspect Cost : ?
Combined Cost : ?
Power : ?
Defense : ?
Life : ?
Ability : ?
Mini Name : Savage (?) Ogre
Set : ????
# : ?
Rarity : ?
Lineage : ?
Spawn Cost : ?
Aspect : Passion
Aspect Cost : 1
Combined Cost : ?P
Power : 6
Defense : 5
Life : 7
Ability : B: Crit 2 - Deal +2 damage this combat.
Mini Name : Skeam?????
Set : DB
# : ?
Rarity : ?
Lineage : ?
Spawn Cost : 6
Aspect : Passion
Aspect Cost : 1
Combined Cost : 6P
Power : 5
Defense : 5
Life : 8
Ability : Bloodthirsty - If this creature makes a regular attack and no enemies are destroyed by the attack, sacrifice it.
Mini Name : Slaughter Boots
Set : DB
# : ?
Rarity : ?
Lineage : ?
Spawn Cost : 8
Aspect : Passion
Aspect Cost : 2
Combined Cost : 8PP
Power : ?
Defense : ?
Life : ?
Ability : ?: Demolish - Destroy target local or adjacent location.
Mini Name : Tiamixec Battlelord
Set : DB
# : ?
Rarity : ?
Lineage : ?
Spawn Cost : ?
Aspect : Passion
Aspect Cost : ?
Combined Cost : ?
Power : ?
Defense : ?
Life : ?
Ability : ?
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guacamole
Sneak
134 Posts
| | 03/14/2006 7:32 PM |
| Alot of these minis look really fun, like they will be a blast working into other mini's games. Names from the website:
Boneblade Serpent
Unspeakable Freak
Bladehound
Ekkyon Wayfarer
Lunar Handmaiden
Dreadmorph Ogre
That's it for now...
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Shining Knight
mdonais
Skirmisher
46 Posts
| | 03/14/2006 7:42 PM |
| To make notation easier we use 'B:' for blade and 'B B:' for double blade. We use 'M:' for multiblade.
For example:
B: Skirmish
M: Skirmish
B B: Crit 10
etc
You can decide if you want to use the same system.
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WotC R&D | |
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guacamole
Sneak
134 Posts
| | 03/14/2006 8:07 PM |
| Inscribed Axe Beast
Set : ????
# : 6
Rarity : U
Lineage : Janus
Spawn Cost : 10
Aspect : Valor
Aspect Cost : 1
Power : 6
Defense : 11
Life : 13
Ability : Vengeance: This creature can be spawned only if an opponent has won three or more turns.
Boneblade Serpent
Set : ????
# : 79
Rarity : C
Lineage : Hellbred
Spawn Cost : 5
Aspect : Passion
Aspect Cost : 1
Power : 3
Defense : 3
Life : 5
Ability : B: Ferocity: If local enemy becomes disrupted this turn, destroy it.
Hive Pincher
Set : ????
# : 61
Rarity : C
Lineage : Hiveling
Spawn Cost : 3
Aspect : Fear
Aspect Cost : 1
Power : 2
Defense : 2
Life : 3
Ability : B: Flanking 4: If you control more creatures in this cell than each opponent deal +4 damage this turn.
Faceless Stalker
Set : ????
# : 35
Rarity : U
Lineage : Lost
Spawn Cost : ???
Aspect : ????
Aspect Cost : ???
Power : 3
Defense : 5
Life : 12
Ability : Fortunate 2: Whenever this creature attacks, re-roll up to two dice.
Brighthammer Avenger
Set : ????
# : ???
Rarity : ???
Lineage : Bloodcut
Spawn Cost : 8
Aspect : Valor
Aspect Cost : 1
Power : ???
Defense : ???
Life : ???
Ability : Charge 6: Whenever this creature enters an enemy occupied cell, it makes a 6 power attack against target enemy in that cell.
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Mindtrick
Warrior
234 Posts
| | 03/15/2006 10:56 AM |
| mdonais-
Great idea for short-handing the descriptions. I might suggest using the following though for simplicity:
B = Blade
DB = Double Blade
M = Multiblade
DM = Double Multiblade
If this works for everybody I will make the changes to the master list at the top in a bit.
Thanks for the responses guys! In the pics from Gamus 06 there are some more details to be found. I will try to get them posted as soon as I can. I will update the main list at that time as well. | |
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Vash
Underboss
1995 Posts
| | 03/15/2006 11:02 AM |
| Heh, thanks for all this. It would all make a bit more sence to me though if I knew what this all meant. [:P] But as I am websenced I have no way of knowing for now.
Thanks for compiling the info though. | |
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Mindtrick
Warrior
234 Posts
| | 03/15/2006 11:09 AM |
| WOW! Dreamblade got its own section of the site, very cool!
And this thread got stickied. Sweet.
Now I just have to make sure to get the master list updated..... | |
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lynchpt
Sergeant
930 Posts
| | 03/15/2006 11:59 AM |
| Why not include the minis from the sample warband on page 14 of the rulebook - the stats seem fairly complete?
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Mindtrick
Warrior
234 Posts
| | 03/15/2006 12:46 PM |
| | I have those typed up already, just need to format them and paste them into the post above. I will be including what bits of info can be gleaned from the pics from GAMA as well. | |
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glumag
Warlord
5968 Posts
| | 03/15/2006 5:39 PM |
| | are there pics of all these minis (links from other threads are blocked at work). I am interested purely on an RPG sense. | |
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Dagni
Sergeant
870 Posts
| | 03/15/2006 7:04 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Mindtrick
mdonais-
Great idea for short-handing the descriptions. I might suggest using the following though for simplicity:
B = Blade
DB = Double Blade
M = Multiblade
DM = Double Multiblade
If this works for everybody I will make the changes to the master list at the top in a bit.
Thanks for the responses guys! In the pics from Gamus 06 there are some more details to be found. I will try to get them posted as soon as I can. I will update the main list at that time as well.
I find:
B = Blade
BB = Double Blade
M = MultiBlade
MM = Double Multiblade
to be much simpler, at least to me.
On the spoilers, I don't think that, for example, 'Bodyguard - ?' is appropriate. It strongly implies that we don't know what Bodyguard does, when in fact Bodyguard is clearly described in the Glossary. Nor does it differentiate between one defined in the Glossary vs, say, Dissipate, the one ability that I've seen that isn't in the Glossary. (Reinforce Valor isn't explicitly in the Glossary, but it's pretty obvious how the rule changes with the keyword Valor in there.)
A little early to be saying what's good vs what's not, but man, that Fleshless Reaper seems to have pretty amazing stats. His power and cost are both 8?!
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Dagni
Sergeant
870 Posts
| | 03/15/2006 8:26 PM |
| To correct the stats, and answer my own question, Fleshless Reaper should have power 0, not Power 8. After looking through the pics from GAMA, it was clear.
- Dagni | |
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Mindtrick
Warrior
234 Posts
| | 03/15/2006 9:26 PM |
| Good points Dagni, I will update the list with your changes.
I will update the ? abilities tomorrow. | |
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Fenris
Sergeant
974 Posts
| | 03/16/2006 11:50 AM |
| This is a very useful list, however it seems you're not recording the aspect costs for each mini? This is important as it has an effect on how hard it is to bring in a mini.
For example, you have the Noble Dragon as "Spawn Cost : 12".
Look at this picture:
http://www.gamingreport.com/gallery/d/10318-3/IMG_4889.JPG
It's clear that the spawn cost is actually 12V (where V = valor symbol). That means if you don't already have 1 or more valor pieces in play you have to pay 13 spawn points, not 12, to bring in the mini. Or at least that's my understanding.
I'm not sure how many of the minis in your list have associated aspect spawn costs in reality, but it looks like you don't have any, and I know that's not right.
I guess using V = Valor, M = Madness, etc, will work. So "8FF" means the spawn cost is 8 + 2 Fear, or 10 if you have no fear minis in play, or 9 if you have 1 in play.
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striderlotr
Commander
3370 Posts
| | 03/16/2006 11:57 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Fenris
This is a very useful list, however it seems you're not recording the aspect costs for each mini? This is important as it has an effect on how hard it is to bring in a mini.
For example, you have the Noble Dragon as "Spawn Cost : 12".
Look at this picture:
http://www.gamingreport.com/gallery/d/10318-3/IMG_4889.JPG
It's clear that the spawn cost is actually 12V (where V = valor symbol). That means if you don't already have 1 or more valor pieces in play you have to pay 13 spawn points, not 12, to bring in the mini. Or at least that's my understanding.
I'm not sure how many of the minis in your list have associated aspect spawn costs in reality, but it looks like you don't have any, and I know that's not right.
I guess using V = Valor, M = Madness, etc, will work. So "8FF" means the spawn cost is 8 + 2 Fear, or 10 if you have no fear minis in play, or 9 if you have 1 in play.
Fenris,
I think you are correct. We will need to add in the aspect cost as some of them are very important (I think I saw several with 3 symbols). As each of the 4 areas starts with a different letter, then just adding the letter should work fine. | |
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ChristopherGroves
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Mindtrick
Warrior
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| | 03/16/2006 1:03 PM |
| I have the Apsect cost listed right after the Aspect type.
Mini Name :
Set :
# :
Rarity :
Lineage :
Spawn Cost :
Aspect :
Aspect Cost :
Power :
Defense :
Life :
Ability : | |
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Fenris
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| | 03/16/2006 1:10 PM |
| Oh! So you do, my mistake.
I suppose it is better to leave those in different fields for purposes of eventually putting this into a searchable database or XML or something. I'm just thinking of it like a magic card cost: 3UU means 3 generic mana and 2 blue, for example.
Sorry! | |
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Mindtrick
Warrior
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| | 03/16/2006 1:18 PM |
| No problem! I do that all the time.
I will be adding the missing Ability descriptions sometime today as I have time. Also, when I make a change to the list I will post what those changes are so it is easier to figure out. | |
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DaemonKain
Warrior
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| | 03/16/2006 2:58 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Fenris
Oh! So you do, my mistake.
I suppose it is better to leave those in different fields for purposes of eventually putting this into a searchable database or XML or something. I'm just thinking of it like a magic card cost: 3UU means 3 generic mana and 2 blue, for example.
Sorry!
Probably worthwhile to store it in multiple formats, actually. Having a condensed cost is useful for viewing (6MM, for instance), and keeping them separate good for filtering. So we could go with three fields:
Spawn Cost
Aspect Cost
Combined Cost | |
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Mindtrick
Warrior
234 Posts
| | 03/16/2006 3:05 PM |
| Great idea DaemonKain.
I will add that to the list the next time I update it.
I have the list typed up in Excel as a chart with catagory headings and as a list in both Excel and Word. If anyone wants a copy of these files just shoot me an email.
Anyone know how in Excel to make a row or column stick to the window so you can move up/down and left/right and still be able to see what the catagories are for each row or column? | |
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DaemonKain
Warrior
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| | 03/16/2006 3:12 PM |
| Hmm, why don't you go ahead and send that to me? I can whip that into a good browser a lot quicker than I can update Bifur - too much custom code in it, and I haven't played in VB in a long time....
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Shivan Darkeyes
Warrior
266 Posts
| | 03/16/2006 3:20 PM |
| I think it would be much easier to read if costs were listed as:
Spawn Cost: V8
rather than
Spawn Cost: 8
Aspect: Valor
Aspect Cost: 1
It saves space and is self-explanatory.
M= Madness
V= Valor
P= Passion
F= Fear
If new Aspects come out we can do what Magic did and use other letters.
(Black= B, and Blue= U)
I don't see any downside to this notation system. | |
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lynchpt
Sergeant
930 Posts
| | 03/16/2006 3:22 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by DaemonKain
quote:
Originally posted by Fenris
Oh! So you do, my mistake.
I suppose it is better to leave those in different fields for purposes of eventually putting this into a searchable database or XML or something. I'm just thinking of it like a magic card cost: 3UU means 3 generic mana and 2 blue, for example.
Sorry!
Probably worthwhile to store it in multiple formats, actually. Having a condensed cost is useful for viewing (6MM, for instance), and keeping them separate good for filtering. So we could go with three fields:
Spawn Cost
Aspect Cost
Combined Cost
I don't think you want to make an attribute out of Combined Cost. Rercall that the Aspect Cost represents only a potential cost in addition to the Spawn Cost. If you meet the requirements specified in the Aspect Cost, you don't have to that cost at all, but only the Spawn Cost.
For a figure with Spawn 3/Valor 2, your actual cost to bring into play will be either 3,4, or 5 Spawn points, depending on how many Valor minis you had in play.
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DaemonKain
Warrior
312 Posts
| | 03/16/2006 3:40 PM |
| Yeah, I understand that it's only a potential cost, I was just suggesting that the combined cost would be something like:
5MM
Which is easy to display, and easy to parse when you are looking at it in a list or database. It seems like a common warband building issue will be balancing splashing a critter or two that would be outside of the normal two aspects you might choose for your band. Anyway, we can work it however we want, but if we add the field now, we can just not display it if we don't need it later. | |
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Mindtrick
Warrior
234 Posts
| | 03/17/2006 11:35 AM |
| I have updated the list with the following changes:
1) Added a Combined Cost reflecting the mini's Spawn Cost and Aspect Cost combined together.
2) Updated Ability definitions out of the Rulebook.
3) Reordered the list a bit.
I will send the lists I have to those who requested them previously in a few minutes.
Enjoy! | |
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Dagni
Sergeant
870 Posts
| | 03/17/2006 2:31 PM |
| Savage Ogre: from the same pic as has his other stats, I'm quite sure that his spawn cost is 9.
From the new set of pics:
Mini Name : Horrid Poltergeist
Set : ????
# : ?
Rarity : ?
Lineage : ?
Spawn Cost : 6
Aspect : Fear
Aspect Cost : 2
Combined Cost : 6FF
Power : 3
Defense : 4
Life : 7
Abilities : B: Scare; B: Expel
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Mindtrick
Warrior
234 Posts
| | 03/17/2006 2:47 PM |
| Noted. Thanks Dagni!
I have another update coming in a bit. Gonna add Blight rat and Horrid Poltergeist with a few ability and spawn cost updates. | |
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Fenris
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| | 03/17/2006 5:27 PM |
| Mindtrick, if you'd be so kind, I'd like to get on your mailing list, please.
jason AT boredgods DOT com
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Mindtrick
Warrior
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| | 03/17/2006 9:35 PM |
| No, Chris, you are the red-headed stepchild that gets put in the corner....
I will send the newly updated files out sometime this weekend. | |
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Aricanius
Skirmisher
5 Posts
| | 03/23/2006 7:19 PM |
| Alphabetical spoiler list in table format:
http://m.1asphost.com/Aricanius/spoilerlist.html | |
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striderlotr
Commander
3370 Posts
| | 03/24/2006 9:41 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Fenris
Mindtrick, if you'd be so kind, I'd like to get on your mailing list, please.
jason AT boredgods DOT com
Could you also add me to the list Mindtrick.
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DaemonKain
Warrior
312 Posts
| | 03/27/2006 1:22 PM |
| From the desktop images, we've got the name and faction of a few more:
Lunar Handmaiden: Valor
Dreadmorph Ogre: Fear
Ekkyon Wayfarer: Fear | |
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TCGplayer
Skirmisher
4 Posts
| | 03/27/2006 1:25 PM |
| Wow, I am VERY happy to have found this site. I have been trying to maintain a similar database located here:
http://dreamblade.tcgplayer.com/db/minis.asp?SetName=Base%20Set
It is great to see so many interested, and experienced people already discussing the game. | |
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striderlotr
Commander
3370 Posts
| | 03/27/2006 1:46 PM |
| | Welcome to the boards. It is always nice to see a fresh name with some work they are already sharing. | |
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Shivan Darkeyes
Warrior
266 Posts
| | 03/27/2006 6:44 PM |
| As everyone else said, welcome.
I highly suggest you download vassal and try a few games out. I learned much more from playing the game than reading the rulebook. (Though reading the rulebook was enlightening too) | |
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Mindtrick
Warrior
234 Posts
| | 03/28/2006 10:30 AM |
| I have updated the Spoiler List in the first post of this thread. The changes are as follows:
1) Added these mini's stats:
Eater???? (Part of the name was unreadable.)
Skeam???? (Part of the name was unreadable.)
Slaughter Boots (So thats what those boots were for.)
Flame Horrorwer (Looks friggin HOT!)
Tiamixec Battlelord
Knight of Autumn Gate (Hey look, its Ichabod Crane's buddy!)
2) Added a few names without stats.
3) Updated Malborn Croc's information.
4) Put the list in correct order (by #, then Aspect, then alpha).
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striderlotr
Commander
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| | 03/29/2006 10:12 AM |
| | Mindtrick, that is great! The list is really coming along nicely. | |
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