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Kaya Kenobi
Underboss
1297 Posts
    
San Jose, California
 | | 08/09/2007 10:10 PM |
| Posted By Teflon Jeff on 08/09/2007 10:04 PM
Currently, there are a few cases pending, so we're about to see exactly what the Leegin ruling does beyond our conjecture...
It won't dent anything. If the judge has any brains... He would tell it this way, the B&M stores have the same avenue to go through, and they can max out their profits. I see no point in this law, it's ludacris. | |
Just a simple traveler from the swamps of Dagobah otherwise known as Florida. Also known as Hurricane Alley!
I always try to send through delivery confirmation, and I expect the same. It's only 55 cents extra, so it's just a little more than a pay phone call, so just do it for the Kai.  I prefer to trade with people in the US and Canada, sorry everyone else.
http://www.maxminis.com/Forums/tabid/104/forumid/53/postid/655406/view/topic/Default.aspx - references | |
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portermj
Warrior
309 Posts
| | 08/09/2007 10:29 PM |
| Posted By gss_000 on 08/09/2007 11:22 AM Anecdote does not equal proof. You're right. The multiple store owners that told me this directly are really just making it up. They have no idea what they are talking about.
I'm not saying that. I'm saying that a small sample isn't a good indicator of larger trends. It exists within the realm of possibility that failing business owners may not have the business skills to identify deficiencies in their business leading them to draw incorrect conclusions about why they are losing money.
In other words, it isn't Game Outfitter's fault that Weird Pete orders too many one-legged dwarf kits.
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Kaya Kenobi
Underboss
1297 Posts
San Jose, California
| | 08/10/2007 12:04 AM |
| Posted By portermj on 08/09/2007 10:29 PM Posted By gss_000 on 08/09/2007 11:22 AM Anecdote does not equal proof. You're right. The multiple store owners that told me this directly are really just making it up. They have no idea what they are talking about. I'm not saying that. I'm saying that a small sample isn't a good indicator of larger trends. It exists within the realm of possibility that failing business owners may not have the business skills to identify deficiencies in their business leading them to draw incorrect conclusions about why they are losing money. In other words, it isn't Game Outfitter's fault that Weird Pete orders too many one-legged dwarf kits.
If something doesn't sell, then yeah, they shouldn't order in excess. From my experience, I have seen game stores fail because the owner would order a full stock of stuff they liked even though nobody else did. And then to make matters even worse, they'd refuse to stock things that sold well, like DBZ, because it wasn't cool to them.
Ever see the patterns? I go to GameKastle, and they have stuff that makes no sense on why they have it. The company went bust, or the game doesn't even exist anymore and the stock is still there with dust gathered all over it. Dragon Dice! The refusal to carry Magic singles! The fact they think they can sell only new sets bothers me. If I want Magic, I want only the older sets, not the new ones. | |
Just a simple traveler from the swamps of Dagobah otherwise known as Florida. Also known as Hurricane Alley!
I always try to send through delivery confirmation, and I expect the same. It's only 55 cents extra, so it's just a little more than a pay phone call, so just do it for the Kai. I prefer to trade with people in the US and Canada, sorry everyone else.
http://www.maxminis.com/Forums/tabid/104/forumid/53/postid/655406/view/topic/Default.aspx - references | |
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
6234 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 08/10/2007 7:54 PM |
| Posted By Kaya Kenobi on 08/09/2007 10:10 PM Posted By Teflon Jeff on 08/09/2007 10:04 PM
Currently, there are a few cases pending, so we're about to see exactly what the Leegin ruling does beyond our conjecture...
It won't dent anything. If the judge has any brains... He would tell it this way, the B&M stores have the same avenue to go through, and they can max out their profits. I see no point in this law, it's ludacris.
Actually, you should go reread the whole brief. You seem to have most of your facts confused with what a lot of people see as potential. | |
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 08/12/2007 5:58 PM |
| Posted By portermj on 08/09/2007 10:29 PM
I'm not saying that. I'm saying that a small sample isn't a good indicator of larger trends. It exists within the realm of possibility that failing business owners may not have the business skills to identify deficiencies in their business leading them to draw incorrect conclusions about why they are losing money.
In other words, it isn't Game Outfitter's fault that Weird Pete orders too many one-legged dwarf kits.
But you keep on erroneously assuming these are failing businesses that are saying this. Please reread what I've said in the past. If it was just bad stores that's one thing. But this is coming from several stores and owners I know from different areas in the country. You are just basing your arguments on the worst cases, while I'm trying to say that people who have the best patterns in how they run their stores are feeling this is hurting their stores and that is worrysome. These are clean stores, with current stock, rebates on out of print product, advertizing, great customer service and employees. No, it's not scientific, but I never claimed it.Â
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portermj
Warrior
309 Posts
| | 08/12/2007 10:57 PM |
| So businesses that are already making money want to see online stores done away with because they feel it hurts their business? I have zero sympathy.  Â
For one thing what is the cut off point? Is a mall store that sells D&D for full MSRP going to demand that strip mall stores that offer discounts be forced to charge the same amount because mall stores have the extra burden of a higher rent?
Online stores have used modern technology to create a system that delivers goods cheaper. That is not a bad thing.
I suppose next you'll be expecting me to take my shoes to the cobbler in order to support all the historical benefits they provided to the shoe wearing community. Keeping the horse whip manufacturer in business is going to be tricky on the other hand, it is tough to justify the expense when you don't have a carriage.
What really burns me is that there are people out there that feel my business is something that inherently belongs to them and that any RPG/Hobby dollar not spent at their store is business they "lost".
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Kaya Kenobi
Underboss
1297 Posts
San Jose, California
| | 08/13/2007 6:38 AM |
| Which is absolutely pointless. Again I say this, if the B&M fail, it is their own doing, not the online industry. Either they adapt and offer the same things online at a discount in bulk purchases, or they just lose that avenue of potential income because they are stupid. These stores and their supporters need to pull their heads out of their tails if they plan on understanding that the only reason these places are failing, it is their own doing. Failing to adapt, failing to provide good customer service, failing to stock the things that sell, and failing to get rid of overhead that collects dust.
Next thing I hear, is the outcry that places like Wal-Mart shouldn't sell magic cards because they somehow don't provide a place to play. I'm sorry, but I used to play DnD and magic in the McDonalds part of Wal-Mart. | |
Just a simple traveler from the swamps of Dagobah otherwise known as Florida. Also known as Hurricane Alley!
I always try to send through delivery confirmation, and I expect the same. It's only 55 cents extra, so it's just a little more than a pay phone call, so just do it for the Kai. I prefer to trade with people in the US and Canada, sorry everyone else.
http://www.maxminis.com/Forums/tabid/104/forumid/53/postid/655406/view/topic/Default.aspx - references | |
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
6234 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 08/13/2007 6:35 PM |
| Again, you guys seem to think the B&M stores have any say in this. They don't. Only the manufacturer can set price floors. It doesn't mean they will. Nor does it mean it's entirely legal. This is a rather fuzzy brief, and there will be numerous challenges (read 2 blogs later for examples) to get specific clarification.
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portermj
Warrior
309 Posts
| | 09/09/2007 12:41 PM |
| Posted By Teflon Jeff on 08/13/2007 6:35 PM
Again, you guys seem to think the B&M stores have any say in this. They don't. Only the manufacturer can set price floors. It doesn't mean they will. Nor does it mean it's entirely legal. This is a rather fuzzy brief, and there will be numerous challenges (read 2 blogs later for examples) to get specific clarification.
Relevant interview with the President of WOTC
http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/11155.html
Looks like I won't have to worry about my $100 cases going away :)
and some retailer's qq response:
http://www.icv2.com/articles/indepth/11179.html
http://www.icv2.com/articles/indepth/11184.html (This one I found very telling. The owner wants everything to be SMRP, for an entrepenur he sure doesn't seem to believe in the free market. Or know what the word "Suggested" means. He should do some world travelling in order to find out that fixed, not negotiated prices, are kind of an abberation.)
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
6234 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 09/12/2007 6:29 PM |
| Good links, Potermj.
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