Bert the Troll
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Hello All.
The announcement of 4th Edition is a pretty big event for all RPG fans. It's a huge event for all of us at Wizards of the Coast, including WotC staff and our WizO support team. We understand that this is something many of you are going to feel very passionate about in a number of ways.
We've created this forum for few reasons. We want everyone to have a single discussion forum where they can get answers and information directly from the D&D staff. We also want to prevent the other forums from being overwhelmed with 4E posts to the point that it drowns out any of the natural discussion in those areas. Additionally, I want to have a single forum where our community can post their hopes, fears, concerns, and dreams about 4E. This will make it easier for the D&D staff to read community feedback, and to (hopefully) provide a lot of answers to your questions.
The WizOs will be moderating this forum and others. They are acting on the direction of Wizards of the Coast, so if you're upset with their moderation, please don't take it out on the WizOs. Their goals will be clear: Keep 4th Edition discussion in the 4E forum. This might mean locking threads and/or moving posts.
If you have concerns, questions, or issues about the forum moderation taking place after the 4th Edition announcement, I've created a thread here where you may discuss your concerns.
Finally, please try to be respectful in your posts and comments. Be nice to other posters, the WizOs, and WotC staff. The WizOs will be enforcing all Code of Conduct rules on all forums as usual.
If you have any suggestions or ideas on how I can do a better job of helping to facilitate communication between the D&D Staff and the Community, I've created a thread here.
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Bert the Troll
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Olaf the Stout
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404 Posts
Adelaide, Australia
| | 08/15/2007 8:43 PM |
| It has now been locked. Looks like someone made a little mistake and let the cat out of the bag early! Olaf the Stout | |
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Bert the Troll
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3771 Posts
Adelaide
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| Yep. Theres a screen shot of the forum list on enworld, and a copy here on in the 4th edition forum.
Much specualtion that no OGL for a 4th edition which would truely bite. | |
"Mutton yesterday, mutton today, and blimey, if it don't look like mutton again tomorrer." Bert the Troll - The Hobbit
Semi-Secret sig business: Sometimes the road less traveled is less traveled for a reason. ~ Seinfeld
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Olaf the Stout
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404 Posts
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| | 08/15/2007 10:18 PM |
| Are you registered on the EN World boards? If so, who do you post as?
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Bert the Troll
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3771 Posts
Adelaide
| | 08/15/2007 11:25 PM |
| I'm there as bert the troll, but only lurk there now and again.
One comment that struck me, was t's quite possible that it (D&D 4th) will be stream lined to make it easier for Digital iniative, ie easier for computers to handle the crunching of playing online. yuck. | |
"Mutton yesterday, mutton today, and blimey, if it don't look like mutton again tomorrer." Bert the Troll - The Hobbit
Semi-Secret sig business: Sometimes the road less traveled is less traveled for a reason. ~ Seinfeld
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Olaf the Stout
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404 Posts
Adelaide, Australia
| | 08/15/2007 11:44 PM |
| It appears to me that the DI and 4th Edition will go hand in hand. They look like they are developing them together. Whether they will be released at the same time, I don't know but it is possible. Olaf the Stout | |
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The Great
Choco Monster
Ghendar
Warlord
10885 Posts
In the constellation of Cygnus, or Central Connecticut
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| Posted By Bert the Troll on 08/15/2007 11:25 PM
I'm there as bert the troll, but only lurk there now and again.
One comment that struck me, was t's quite possible that it (D&D 4th) will be stream lined to make it easier for Digital iniative, ie easier for computers to handle the crunching of playing online. yuck.
LOL! They really are doing their best to drive away us print fans aren't they?
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I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
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yack
Commander
3135 Posts
Ottawa, Canada
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| | I agree, 4th edition is bad enough if I have print my own stuff then...it will be see ya 4th edition. | |
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Host
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| | 08/16/2007 6:11 AM |
| and you guys were ragging on me for putting up the 4th edition forums a few months back 
moving the RPG forums up to the top for a bit...
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The Great
Choco Monster
Ghendar
Warlord
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In the constellation of Cygnus, or Central Connecticut
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| Posted By yack on 08/16/2007 4:53 AM
I agree, 4th edition is bad enough if I have print my own stuff then...it will be see ya 4th edition.
Just got an email from Paizo stating that with my paper purchase of the first issue of Pathfinder, I would also be given access to a free PDF copy. That's the way to do it.
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No Hazel, no peace
Champion of the Spider Eater with rider.
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
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Fun Guy from Yuggoth
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| | 08/16/2007 9:55 AM |
| Well, looks like I got into another Fantasy system just in time then.  | |
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Wraithborne
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3437 Posts
West Virginia
| | 08/16/2007 6:18 PM |
| Posted By Host on 08/16/2007 6:11 AM and you guys were ragging on me for putting up the 4th edition forums a few months back moving the RPG forums up to the top for a bit...
I wasn't...I was preaching the doom and gloom like I do best....sucks that i was right....I surely didn't want to be.  | |
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Knight of Argenis
Corim Danex
Warlord
6567 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 08/16/2007 10:12 PM |
| Posted By Host on 08/16/2007 6:11 AM and you guys were ragging on me for putting up the 4th edition forums a few months back moving the RPG forums up to the top for a bit...
That's because we didn't want a 4th edition. I still don't want a 4th edition. This is coming close to pushing me out of D&D altogether. At least purchasing D&D. I can keep playing with the books I have indefinitely.
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portermj
Warrior
315 Posts
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| Posted By Ghendar on 08/16/2007 8:52 AM
Just got an email from Paizo stating that with my paper purchase of the first issue of Pathfinder, I would also be given access to a free PDF copy. That's the way to do it.
From what I saw on the EnWorld homepage books will have a code that lets you use that content on the DI. So if that works the way they are describing it will be better than Piazo since the online content that comes with the hard copy will actually be interactive.
I'm pretty interested/hopeful about fourth edition. For me, the main thing is the on line tools. If they work and are regularly updated I'm on board. I just remember a similar type thing was expected with 3rd Edition E-Tools. Hopefully the last seven or so years has given WoTC insight on how to do it right.
As far as the rules, if they stink the solution for me will be pretty simple. I'll just keep using 3rd edition. I've got enough published material from this edition to last a lifetime of game sessions. A bad 4th edition just means I save money not buying new rule books. Although I will probably buy FR books that deal with areas not covered in 2nd or 3rd ed.
Of course I have a hunch that 4th will be a better game. For me, 3rd edition was a quantum leap over 2nd edition and actually got me interested in D&D again over other systems. I imagine that even if they can't pull off an improvement of that magitude again it will at least be a better edition (like 3 to 3.5).
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Ghendar
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10885 Posts
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| Posted By portermj on 08/16/2007 10:47 PM Posted By Ghendar on 08/16/2007 8:52 AM
Just got an email from Paizo stating that with my paper purchase of the first issue of Pathfinder, I would also be given access to a free PDF copy. That's the way to do it.
From what I saw on the EnWorld homepage books will have a code that lets you use that content on the DI. So if that works the way they are describing it will be better than Piazo since the online content that comes with the hard copy will actually be interactive.
Yeah, but I have no interest in interactive.
As for 4E? I'll pick up the PHB but that's going to be it. I will not collect dozens of stuff like I did with 3E. It has nothing to do with righteous indignation over the idea of 4E, it has to do with changing ideas about how I want to use my spending money.
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No Hazel, no peace
Champion of the Spider Eater with rider.
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
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yack
Commander
3135 Posts
Ottawa, Canada
| | 08/17/2007 4:50 AM |
| its the virtual gaming table that has totally turned me off... its not D&D anymore its a video game.
I will scan through the books but prob stick with 3.5, but the virtual thing is a turn off. Its too anti-social for me... its about sitting around a table throwing dice thats DnD! | |
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DW: Duergar Priest
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The Great
Choco Monster
Ghendar
Warlord
10885 Posts
In the constellation of Cygnus, or Central Connecticut
| | 08/17/2007 4:52 AM |
| | I think the tabletop game will not go away however they will offer some kind of electronic version for whomever wants to use it. I have no interest. If I want to play electronic D&D I'll go get a sub to DDO. | |
No Hazel, no peace
Champion of the Spider Eater with rider.
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
How many times in life do you get to eat your own Cthulhu? - Posted By Pedro on 03/31/2008 2:29 | |
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portermj
Warrior
315 Posts
| | 08/17/2007 6:50 AM |
| Posted By yack on 08/17/2007 4:50 AM
its the virtual gaming table that has totally turned me off... its not D&D anymore its a video game.
I will scan through the books but prob stick with 3.5, but the virtual thing is a turn off. Its too anti-social for me... its about sitting around a table throwing dice thats DnD!
Even if you only play D&D at a table the online tools, as advertised, would be great for preparing games. I used E-Tools and it really sped up my NPC creation.
Obviously, people's milage will vary. There are still people that insist on writing using mechanical typewriters. However, for me the DI is exactly the direction I have said in the past I wanted RPGs to go so if they deliver I am going to be for it.
Side Note: DDO isn't DnD, it is a video game with DnD trappings. The DI sounds more like it will be to Pen and Paper gaming what Microsoft Office is to business.
Edit: I just saw the second Gen Con video. If that is what they have for the game table right now, I have a lot of confidence in the DI.
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Mushroom King
Thor
Underboss
1938 Posts
| | 08/17/2007 6:10 PM |
| So....... It's True a 4th. Ed. Anybody know of any major changes??? or is it to soon????
How come all the Cool Old Max-Mini Posters on here (Who used to be naughty and fun and crazy) are all Respectable Moderaters now????
I feel like all my old Cell-Mates have joined the police force...... Must have been be a lowering of standards. GRIN
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Knight of Argenis
Corim Danex
Warlord
6567 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 08/17/2007 7:01 PM |
| Posted By Thor on 08/17/2007 6:10 PM
So....... It's True a 4th. Ed. Anybody know of any major changes??? or is it to soon????
How come all the Cool Old Max-Mini Posters on here (Who used to be naughty and fun and crazy) are all Respectable Moderaters now????
I feel like all my old Cell-Mates have joined the police force...... Must have been be a lowering of standards. GRIN
BIG GRIN
The short answer to your non-4th edition question is that you have missed a lot of events. The long answer, I am too tired to give.
Yes, there are major changes to 4th edition, but so far they are vague about most of what 4th edition will be.
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Champion of Something, I imagine I will think of something
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Mushroom King
Thor
Underboss
1938 Posts
| | 08/17/2007 7:42 PM |
| Yea. I'm kinda worried about this On-Line stuff rather then Table-Top. I'm an Old School guy. I use the old hand made clay dice and have metal minis....grin...... My love/hate with D&D goes back to 2nd ed. But I love playing.
Besides I don't even have a computer. (Well - not a big one that talks or anything.....)
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Cheers !!
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
6519 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 08/17/2007 8:20 PM |
| I'm looking forward to it, a lot. Mostly because, I don't have to use all the online stuff. If I want to keep on playing the same old way, I will. Battle maps and markers and minis.
But, a lot of this stuff will at least get tried out. I'm excited about some of the OPTIONS available. And that's what they are to me, options. As long as I get a regular paper book, I'm fine. But man, unlocking an online copy too? SA-WEET! I'm really excited about some of the additional tools. But, I want to see the subscription price first. That's the only thing I worry about. $10/month is about my limit, but it's scalable depending on the quality.
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6567 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 08/17/2007 8:40 PM |
| | About 10 dollars a month is one of the big reasons I never got into MORPG. I dislike monthly fees for a product already purchased. | |
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Champion of Something, I imagine I will think of something
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Crisisman
Warrior
335 Posts
Kent, WA
| | 08/17/2007 10:14 PM |
| Amen brother! If I have to pay a monthly subscription I'll stop playing. It's not about the $ per se, as I easily spend more than that on minis. It's that I know my psyche. If I am paying a subscription I'll feel obligated to get the most for my money, which means there is a high probability of D&D growing from an enjoyable occasional passtime to an obsession. I've seen the damage of obsession in my life before and I simply won't let it happen again...even if it means giving up the game completely.
Fortunately, my gaming group will likely want to stay with 3.5ed as we are all familiar with the rules now...even the grappling rules. 
Posted By Corim Danex on 08/17/2007 8:40 PM
About 10 dollars a month is one of the big reasons I never got into MORPG. I dislike monthly fees for a product already purchased.
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Pedro
Commander
3907 Posts
Czech Republic
| | 08/18/2007 10:06 AM |
| Posted By Crisisman on 08/17/2007 10:14 PM Amen brother! If I have to pay a monthly subscription I'll stop playing. It's not about the $ per se, as I easily spend more than that on minis. It's that I know my psyche. If I am paying a subscription I'll feel obligated to get the most for my money, which means there is a high probability of D&D growing from an enjoyable occasional passtime to an obsession. I've seen the damage of obsession in my life before and I simply won't let it happen again...even if it means giving up the game completely. Fortunately, my gaming group will likely want to stay with 3.5ed as we are all familiar with the rules now...even the grappling rules. Posted By Corim Danex on 08/17/2007 8:40 PM
About 10 dollars a month is one of the big reasons I never got into MORPG. I dislike monthly fees for a product already purchased.
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Master of the
Awesome Sauce
Teflon Jeff
Warlord
6519 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 08/19/2007 9:20 AM |
| Here's the way I look at it.
First, let me say I don't wnat D&D to become like an MMO. I don't want to pay subscription fees to be able to play. Here's a list of what I would pay for...
Dragon Magazine. Obviously many of us already pay for a subscription. I would be willing to pay for the online version, but at a pretty discounted rate ($2 /issue) I never used Dungeon Magazine enough to be willing to pay for it, but I wouldn't complain if it was all included)
Campaign building materials. For this, I want NPC tracking, world building, generators galore. While normally, I prefer to buy software, Most of this kind of software need constant updating (with each new book) and I would be willing to pay for that.
PC building abilities. And ones that work. E-tools is not acceptable. It must be up to date with all the latest books, including campaign specific material books (Eberron, FR, etc.)
Online book access. If I buy a paper book (which I will) If I'm paying a fee for online content, I want to be able to access that book on my computer as well. It makes searching easier (Keyword searches) and I can highlight things, or leave digital notes for myself. The "DVD extras" they allude to ae nice as well, expanded information that wouln't fit in a $30 book.
I will not play 4E if I can't play it without an online subscription,however. I want to have te choice of utilizing the online content.
Furthermore, a yearly Dragon and Dungeon anthology book (s?) f the last years worth of content would be a spectacular idea. I really hope it happens.
Here's one lat idea that hit me. Customizable subscriptions. Each service has a cost, and you can add or avoid whatever services you want. Not a DM? Why pay for DM services? Don't like Dungeon Magazine? Drop it. Want it all? Cool, get it all! That would go a long way towards helping as well, although I don't know how easy or feasible it is. Just an idea. | |
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Against The Giants Called Shot: Huge Green Dragon
Icons Called Shot: Gargantuan Prismatic Dragon
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yack
Commander
3135 Posts
Ottawa, Canada
| | 08/19/2007 6:49 PM |
| I agree if I buy the book I should have to pay for anything else more...except minis and right now the new look for me is not for me. As for Dragon mag sorry I want the mag in my hands just like the books and not pay the price of myself printing it. This DI thing is just not for me.... I'll stick to 3.5 for now.
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Champion of the Peryton
Vindicated Champion : Pit Fiend, Devourer
ATG: Fog Giant
DW: Duergar Priest
RPG Only!!!! The Drumming Drunkn' DM | |
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Round Table
Thenameless
Warlord
8627 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 08/20/2007 1:19 AM |
| Posted By Thor on 08/17/2007 6:10 PM
So....... It's True a 4th. Ed. Anybody know of any major changes??? or is it to soon????
How come all the Cool Old Max-Mini Posters on here (Who used to be naughty and fun and crazy) are all Respectable Moderaters now????
I feel like all my old Cell-Mates have joined the police force...... Must have been be a lowering of standards. GRIN
BIG GRIN
The Thor man is as amusing as ever. I was at the seminar introducing 4e. Wizards promises to make the game much better. A more linear progression for all characters up to 30th level (fewer dead levels), easier for a DM to manage, streamlining, etc. They have also asked for help from the playing community to volunteer as playtesters. So, there's a chance to make a difference there for everyone. Our play group is yet undecided, taking a wait and see approach. | |
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PaSquall
Underboss
1392 Posts
| | 08/20/2007 2:06 AM |
| Posted By Thenameless on 08/20/2007 1:19 AM
I was at the seminar introducing 4e.Wizards promises to make the game much better. A more linear progression for all characters up to 30th level (fewer dead levels), easier for a DM to manage, streamlining, etc.
He he. I always find that sentence quite funny, since they just admit that 3.5E was not so good after all, contrary to what they said a few years ago.
A better way to do it IMO would be to say that they are adapting the rules to today's RPG trends. That's what they're doing anyway.
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| | 08/20/2007 11:04 AM |
| 3.5 is good. But 4e will be better. I'm reminded of an old quote...
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| | 08/20/2007 2:42 PM |
| Just got back from Gen Con. No one should worry about losing access to books. The new products are coming out in printed forms, but with it comes a code where you can get a PDF of that book. Much of what is coming in 4th ed is stuff that is already being done now. Nothing really radical about it except bringing it all together from the beginning so DMs and players can choose the best way for them.
As far as content and gameplay, not sure yet. It's still d20 and probably will be similar to the Star Wars RPG that just came out. Also, much of what is coming out between now and the final release date is what they are calling, "timeless", meaning that it doesn't matter what edition you use it can help your game. Lastly, people will be able to get their first look at DDXP.
More information is definitely needed, but for a first reveal, it definitely made me want to learn more. | |
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| | 08/20/2007 5:58 PM |
| Well, Rob Heinsoo said in an interview that there won't be conversion directions to change from 3.5 to 4.0 because the two systems are too different. You can't really translate a 3.5 10th level paladin to 4.0, other than "artistically".
From what I heard in the interviews about the encounter generation, the CR system doesn't sound like it's sticking around in a way that is easily convertible. | |
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| | 08/20/2007 6:17 PM |
| | I for one won't be sad to see the current CR system go, it never seemed quite right to me. I've pretty much let it go by the wayside anyway at this point. | | | |
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| | 08/20/2007 6:35 PM |
| Posted By jacksonm on 08/20/2007 6:17 PM
I for one won't be sad to see the current CR system go, it never seemed quite right to me. I've pretty much let it go by the wayside anyway at this point.
agreed, for sure. We just loosely track xp because of the potential for craziness... | |
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| Posted By Teflon Jeff on 08/19/2007 9:20 AM
Furthermore, a yearly Dragon and Dungeon anthology book (s?) f the last years worth of content would be a spectacular idea. I really hope it happens.
I agree in concept but in execution those print compilations won't be able to contain everything done electronically. With a 12 month subscription to Dragon magazine, I got everything. With print compilations of the e-content, I'll likley only get what they consider to be the best material. | |
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| | 08/21/2007 9:10 AM |
| Posted By Ghendar on 08/21/2007 3:55 AM Posted By Teflon Jeff on 08/19/2007 9:20 AM
Furthermore, a yearly Dragon and Dungeon anthology book (s?) f the last years worth of content would be a spectacular idea. I really hope it happens.
I agree in concept but in execution those print compilations won't be able to contain everything done electronically. With a 12 month subscription to Dragon magazine, I got everything. With print compilations of the e-content, I'll likley only get what they consider to be the best material.
well, every 6 months then... or every 4 motnhs, if you really desire, with a subscriber discount if you already subscribe to DI... | |
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| | 08/21/2007 10:21 AM |
| Posted By Teflon Jeff on 08/21/2007 9:10 AM Posted By Ghendar on 08/21/2007 3:55 AM Posted By Teflon Jeff on 08/19/2007 9:20 AM
Furthermore, a yearly Dragon and Dungeon anthology book (s?) f the last years worth of content would be a spectacular idea. I really hope it happens.
I agree in concept but in execution those print compilations won't be able to contain everything done electronically. With a 12 month subscription to Dragon magazine, I got everything. With print compilations of the e-content, I'll likley only get what they consider to be the best material. well, every 6 months then... or every 4 motnhs, if you really desire, with a subscriber discount if you already subscribe to DI...
That's the problem. I don't want the e-content. I want a paper magazine in my mailbox every month.
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