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09/15/2006 2:32 PM  

OK now that I have your attention let me explain WHY it’s a possibility.

One of my wholesalers just got a notice from WotC that they will no longer be able to sell to internet and Flea Market sellers. Only brick and mortar stores will be allowed to purchase. THIS MEANS NO MORE ONLINE STORES. What can you do about this? Email WotC customer service at corporateinfo@wizards.com and let them know what you think of this policy!

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I am not 100% sure why you are instituting this policy but my guess would be you feel by not selling to internet sellers you are forcing customers to support their local stores more. I am sure you have examined this policy but let me explain why I believe you are wrong on this.

Let me start by telling you who I am. My name is Andrew and I run a gaming store (both video games and RPG’s) that is located inside a Flea Market open 3 days a week. I also happen to sell on Ebay A LOT of your product. I have actively promoted your product in my store which has 2,600 sq feet of enclosed area. We have 4 10 ft tables set up to play on and been open at this location for 7 years in my storefront. Every week 1000’s of people (last estimated traffic flow per weekend was a little over 7,000) come past my storefront and see us playing games and many stop and ask questions and a few even buy items. Because I am in a flea market my rent is only $720 a month (or if there are 5 weekends in the month $900). The truth is that the amount of space I devote to RPG and minis is VERY disproportionate to the amount of product I sell. Easily ¾ of my biz is video games. Why do I sell D&D then? Because I love the game. I have been a D&D player for 29 years and have a HUGE (and I do mean HUGE) collection personally. I have taught 100’s of people inside and outside of my store and spread the game to many, many folk. Nevertheless I am also a business man. Because my Ebay biz had grown so much I have doubled the size of my store to include more in store gaming as I can now afford it. Without that revenue I can no long afford it and will have to go back to ½ my store size, which means no tabletop space to play and promote it. Without in store promotion sales will go even lower on your products (which as I stated already don’t really carry their weight vs. space they take up, its more a love than anything). Less in store revenue and no Ebay income = poor business and I would be forced to drop your line of products. One more time just in case I didn’t make it clear I CARRY YOUR PRODUCTS IN MY STORE BECAUSE I LOVE THE D&D (AND MINIS) GAME. ONLY THROUGH ONLINE SALES AM I ABLE TO AFFORD IT.

Also let me mention my anger should this come to pass. My wife just left her job of 14 years to come work with me on the Ebay side and gave up many benefits including insurance. She waited until revenue was high enough from my Ebay sales that it would offset the loss of benefits and pay and we could afford private healthcare. I assure you this was not a lightly made decision. Even this though is not my real anger as in business things like this can happen and is a risk we took. What’s really making me angry is that I feel betrayed by something I truly love. I have played D&D for 29 years…through the horrible Jerry Falwell Moral Majority and Jack Chick years I defended D&D (and I live in the south so there was A LOT of defending to do) and still up to this very day play. Should WotC take my means of income I will be very displeased. I can honestly say that I would never defend this hobby or promote it in any way again. In fact I would stop playing D&D all together. When customers came into my store and asked why I don’t carry your product anymore I will tell them. When new customers ask why I carry Heroclix, Pirates and Yu Gi OH and not WotC products I will tell them.

AS A LAST RESORT AND ONLY AS A LAST RESORT if it comes down to it I will pursue legal avenues. I have never in my life sued anyone and don’t believe that is the way to handle situations as a rule. I WOULD MUCH RATHER HANDLE THIS TO MUTUAL SATISFACTION THAN IN AN ADVISARAL FASION.  This is in no way a threat (if you even care) but this is my livelihood we are talking about. Things I would look into is if you have the authority to dictate who your wholesalers can and cannot sell to. I have a tax ID, pay my taxes and am a good citizen and customer of theirs. I believe you are within your rights to not sell to my wholesaler but not sure you tell them who THEY can and cannot sell to. Also do you plan on stopping sales to Amizon.com? Last I checked they are an online seller. They don’t even promote any kind of in store gaming. If you don’t plan on dropping them then there is perhaps some kind of anti trust law violation or violation of some fair trade laws. I am not a lawyer so I don’t know. I am sure there are some lawyers out there who do however and I bet they could think up even more of the possible law violation than I could even dream of. I am pretty sure with the $18,000 I have saved up for my pre order of Bounty Hunters I have could hire one. It would be a terrible waste for them to get my money instead of WotC in my mind. I am aware it would be one of those David vs. Goliath deals (I know Hasbro has deep pockets and a battalion of lawyers) and I would probably be one of the first 100 that tried and got squished, but every once in a while a stone lands just right and the giant falls.

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09/15/2006 2:40 PM  
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Say it isn't so.

I'll be emailing WotC; let us know if there is anything else we can do.

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09/15/2006 2:52 PM  
Someone please explain the logic of this move to me....

What does Hasbro care who sells thier product as long as its sold???

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09/15/2006 3:07 PM  
I'd love to see a copy of that notice...

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09/15/2006 3:17 PM  
Posted By jgsugden on 09/15/2006 3:07 PM
I'd love to see a copy of that notice...


To be honest I would like to see the exact notice myself.....here is an email I got from my wholesaler word for word.  Because of the size of my account I seriously doubt they would be email me something like this unless there is something serious behind it.   I buy almost a quarter million a year from them and on the phone call I imeditely placed after reading it he said he didn't have any other info and that I was the first one notified (he stands to loose alot too as he makes a small commision).

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I have been advised that we will not be getting Bounty Hunters on time from Wizards of the Coast.  I have also been advised that very soon WOTC is going to make us only sale to brick and mortar retailers.  We will not be allowed to sale there products to web sites and flea market accounts.  I will give you more information as I get it.  Please call if you have any questions.
 
   
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09/15/2006 3:30 PM  
Hmm,if this is true,it's ridiculous...not to mention a foolish buisness descision.If WOTC wouldn't let it's product be sold on the internet they would lose ALOT of money.I highly doubt WOTC would stop internet sales of their product.I've placed a couple of orders with Auggie because my FLGS doesn't sell singles.Please post a copy of this notice your wholesaler received so I can read it for myself,because I don't beleive WOTC would commit economic suicide in such a manner.I'd also love to hear Lidda's response to this.

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09/15/2006 4:05 PM  

I really REALLY hope that this is bad information.


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09/15/2006 4:07 PM  
I'm hoping that Shoe or Lidda or someone on the inside takes the time to post to the thread. It could clear things up.

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09/15/2006 4:17 PM  
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!Â

Say it ain't so.Â

A very sad sad sad day indeed.Â

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09/15/2006 4:22 PM  
Cutting off the Auggies of the world won't change a thing either, it'll just open a void in the sales chain to consumers that a current brick and mortar store will fill.  By which, I mean a current B&M store will open an internet store to sell through to service the market that WOTC is trying to extinguish.  THe opportunity for increasing cash flow and short term proffit is too great for so many stores that are struggling to ignore.  If WOTC reacts by closing off sales to that store (Those that are not discrete enough about their true identity), another will take it's place.  This will continue until the only place to buy boosters will be the non specialized chain stores and places like Amazon.com who have large enough sales that WOTC would be fools to stop selling to them.Â

Of course this would mean that miniatures would quickly get no support from the shunned FLGS' and soon new players would not enter the market to support the line.  While this might be ok for a Star-Wars product, DDM and possibly eventually D&D would die on the vine.Â

Sounds like a stupid decision to me, but perhaps someone with a better understanding of this market and marketing in general could enlighten me.

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09/15/2006 4:42 PM  
I'm unsure of whether a company can specify to whom a wholeseller sells to.

I think there is a bit of miscommunication going on.

I am very interested in how this plays out.

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09/15/2006 5:09 PM  
Ummm...put me in the camp of "I hope this isn't correct." I would be very sad to see Auggie's go out of business.

I can see limiting retailer kits to brick-and-mortar only. Limiting case sales to brick-and-mortar only could potentially bankrupt the line (as the total volume of sales is likely to crash).

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09/15/2006 5:21 PM  
Sorry, Can't say that I care too much. Online discounting is killing alot of stores that don't have room for gaming. I also think that WoTC will be selling stuff on their own sites. this will give B&M stores a chance to survive- and you can be sure the guy you are buying from isn't fly by night.
Sucks that it screws you Auggie- but for everyone that it hurts- it benefits someone else. why not buy some space from another local retailer?

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09/15/2006 5:21 PM  
The theory is that the brick and mortar stores give people a venue to play. If those stores die, then the consumer has less networking options, and thus is likely to fail in finding a group. And then that person will stop buying product, since they have no one to play with.

I do make an effort to buy about 75% of the my stuff from my FLGS. I only buy online when they don't have something in stock. But I also sympathize with those that don't. Now that they are raising prices, I don't think I will be buying Magic cards anymore. It's now $4 for a pack, just FYI.

Which brings us to my conspiracy theory. They know that people are going to be irritated with the price increase. It will probably cause a lot of people to move their purchases to eBay. Wizards wants to prevent that from happening.

It's deja vu all over again.

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09/15/2006 5:23 PM  
Auggie implied, that it was Hasbro(owner of wotc), not the Wizards themselves. Hence I cannot imagine them making any public comments
I suppose writing letters to Hasbro would be a better way. All in all, Auugie is a B'nM shop, so he can buy stuff. And if not, what's to stop him from buying .. elsewhere?


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09/15/2006 5:37 PM  
I can't afford to buy all my RPG supplies and DDM at full price. I support my brick and mortar FLGS with source book purchases,gaming supplies.comic books and even a few odd boosters they get 100's of dollars off me every year. I buy my cases online if I'm forced to buy DDM at MSRP(or even the slight discount my FLGS can offer) i'll have to cut corners on other D&D prducts so in the long run the B&M store will not be getting any extra business from me.

I agree with Zenthrus, it can only hurt the line if online sales are cut as it will limit a lot of RPGers who won't want to pay 14.99 for a random booster. I alreasy know of a couple of people who just buy sets off ebay because they don't want to buy 3 or 4 cases to garantee a complete set. If I can't get cases at a discount online I will probably go that route as well or just buy singles of monsters I like or need on Ebay.

I wonder if they are going to stop the huge online stores like Amazon,buy.com and overstock to name a few. If not then the smaller ones may be able to file a restraint of trade lawsuit(I could be wrong about this or the type of lawsuit i'm not a lawyer,i'm sure one of the ones here will correct me though ).

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09/15/2006 5:50 PM  
Bummer.  If this hobby becomes to expensive I can always find a new game to play.  I have wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy too many minis to ever be short of them for Roleplaying.

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09/15/2006 5:59 PM  
This really sucks..... my FLGS barely sells singles and I'm not going too randomly buy boosters (waste of money) after I get my cases. This will effect the single market for minis..... this is a bad decission..I hope its a mistake!!!
Can someone from WOTC comment on this...?

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09/15/2006 6:02 PM  
What does one do if he has no FLGS close to 100 KM's from him ? What do these
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09/15/2006 6:21 PM  
Posted By Ethandrul on 09/15/2006 5:21 PM
Sorry, Can't say that I care too much. Online discounting is killing alot of stores that don't have room for gaming. I also think that WoTC will be selling stuff on their own sites. this will give B&M stores a chance to survive- and you can be sure the guy you are buying from isn't fly by night.
Sucks that it screws you Auggie- but for everyone that it hurts- it benefits someone else. why not buy some space from another local retailer?


You should read my post a little closer....I DO have a store and I DO have area to play (4 10 ft tables).  Loss of this revenue will pretty much force me to shrink my store size....no more gaming in my store.  I don't know for sure but I bet most of the sellers in my "class" also have stores and this supliments thier income.

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09/15/2006 6:50 PM  
The e-mail Auggie received while disturbing is the same thing I was told by distributors a year and a half ago, that they were only allowed to sell to bricks and mortar stores. While I understand and sympathize with the plight this put Auggie in, I think many people are misreading what has been stated. This will not be the end of online stores, I know many like myself can't buy through a distributor, I buy mine from a bricks and mortar store, who to make money themselves have set a price to sell cases that is nearly their price. They still make some money, and now so can I and others. This will be a blow to many online sellers such as Auggie, but not the end of online sales.

And Auggie, please don't take this as me not being mindful to the situation it puts you in, I would feel the same way if it was putting me in that situation, and I hope it all works out, as you have stated you do have play space and a physical location, even if it is a flea market, whereas I do not. Best of luck

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09/15/2006 6:58 PM  
Posted By Newtoncain on 09/15/2006 5:50 PM
Bummer.  If this hobby becomes to expensive I can always find a new game to play.  I have wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy too many minis to ever be short of them for Roleplaying.


I echo those sentiments. I order my cases from an online store. Since they're upping the price of boosters and now that they're taking away online ordering...they lost business...

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09/15/2006 7:36 PM  
Posted By Thousandsofminis on 09/15/2006 6:50 PM
The e-mail Auggie received while disturbing is the same thing I was told by distributors a year and a half ago, that they were only allowed to sell to bricks and mortar stores. While I understand and sympathize with the plight this put Auggie in, I think many people are misreading what has been stated. This will not be the end of online stores, I know many like myself can't buy through a distributor, I buy mine from a bricks and mortar store, who to make money themselves have set a price to sell cases that is nearly their price. They still make some money, and now so can I and others. This will be a blow to many online sellers such as Auggie, but not the end of online sales.

And Auggie, please don't take this as me not being mindful to the situation it puts you in, I would feel the same way if it was putting me in that situation, and I hope it all works out, as you have stated you do have play space and a physical location, even if it is a flea market, whereas I do not. Best of luck

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Well actually Adam you are in the same situation.  WotC is also cracking down on stores who "distribute" to other sellers.  I know this for FACT.  When DQ came out I got 50 extra cases because my wholesaler was not allowed to sell an order to another store which sub sold them.  This policy btw was explained to me at the time by 2 seperate wholesalers that I use.  I was told at the time though it would not affect me as I had a brick and morter store (abiet in a flea market).  I kinda thought as you did, I felt bad for the smaller guys who this would knock out but it would increase my sales at the same time.  This will not be the end of online sellers, this I know as voids tend to be filled.  However it might be only a matter of time before the person you buy from is cut off for selling to you.

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09/15/2006 7:38 PM  
Posted By Thousandsofminis on 09/15/2006 6:50 PM
The e-mail Auggie received while disturbing is the same thing I was told by distributors a year and a half ago, that they were only allowed to sell to bricks and mortar stores. While I understand and sympathize with the plight this put Auggie in, I think many people are misreading what has been stated. This will not be the end of online stores, I know many like myself can't buy through a distributor, I buy mine from a bricks and mortar store, who to make money themselves have set a price to sell cases that is nearly their price. They still make some money, and now so can I and others. This will be a blow to many online sellers such as Auggie, but not the end of online sales.

And Auggie, please don't take this as me not being mindful to the situation it puts you in, I would feel the same way if it was putting me in that situation, and I hope it all works out, as you have stated you do have play space and a physical location, even if it is a flea market, whereas I do not. Best of luck

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Agree fully with this assessment and said essentially the same thing in another thread...It tweaks the business model but does not invalidate it.  Margins and discounts are affected, and that might be just the tweaking that Hasbro is seeking.

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09/15/2006 7:39 PM  
seriously this falls into the WTF category. massively insane. Email sent.

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09/15/2006 7:42 PM  
No online sales!?!

OK, what I guess this really means is an attempt to get rid of low prices by making sure all the retailer need to keep the overhead of a bricks and mortar store. An attempt by WotC to drive up secondary prices? Thanks but no thanks. The "minor" price increase has already made me reconsider my mini purchasing (although it is hard to vary with one case + singles) but adding much more to the cost and I'll be one who abandons future sets.

I should add there are so few BM stores within 60 miles that any future purchases I do make will still be from online sources.  That wouldn't help an physical location that much either.


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09/15/2006 7:44 PM  
hmmm, it seems like the definitions are not cut and dried, or are they?  If they could sell to you last time, why not this time?  have they upped the definiation of allowed customers again?Â

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09/15/2006 8:44 PM  
Posted By Gristlemane on 09/15/2006 5:21 PM
The theory is that the brick and mortar stores give people a venue to play.
This isn't always true.  Though he's no longer in business (I have no idea why), there was a retailer in my town who had himself a brick & mortar store with all of 150 sq ft of retail area and maybe twice that in storage space.  Easily 95% of his income came from internet sales.  He kept erratic and short store hours, and he had absolutely no space what-so-ever for gaming.  Yet, he had a brick and mortar, so this policy would have had no effect on him.  If this policy goes into effect, for every internet seller who is driven out of the business of selling WotC product, another will take up the slack by using the same workaround--get a dinky little shop with low rent just so you can say you're "brick & mortar".  Next they'll make a store become a "WotC Premier Store" before they can even buy the product.

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09/15/2006 8:46 PM  

O.k., I logged on to look at the latest Blood War preview and find this news instead.  Now I don't even feel desire to look at the next preview.  It's the worst news I could have heard about DDM short of the line being cancelled.  I am so angry right now at WOTC that I will have to calm down before I send a hopefully calm, but scathing email to WOTC, putting them on notice that if they don't reverse this ridiculous policy, I will be forced to boycott their products (fortunately I have collected enough plastic minis by now that I can live without more, though  I had hoped to collect many more until this news).  I feel like this policy is like spitting in the face of faithful customers like myself who have been buying their minis from Auggies, GO and similar online sellers since almost the beginning of the line.  I have spent thousands of dollars now on DDM, but will not spend any more money if I feel like they are turning their backs on my needs as a customer.  I have no need for brick and mortar stores.  I do have a need for good online prices. Â

Is this ridiculous policy the reason that GameOutfitter has also not sent their usual email about preordering cases?



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09/15/2006 8:57 PM  
I have to say, i hope Wizards doesn't go ahead with this marketing ploy - I live in South Korea - the ONLY supplier here IS an internet store, and they charge DOUBLE the suggested retail price - if I CAN"T buy online, I have NO source from which to obtain minis.

In an age of information, it seems to me to be counterproductive to rule out such a large market access share.  The amount of business Wizards is going to LOSE in the long run will be astonishing -

I (and I'm sure many people are like me) budget a certain amount of money for minis and games - when that is gone, I don't buy any more - limiting the supply will inevitably drive up the prices and I'll be unable to participate fully.  I'm an all or nothing kind of guy, so If I can't reasonably afford to complete my sets, I'll take my money elsewhere.

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09/15/2006 9:05 PM  
I'm starting to wonder if this should be pointed (this thread) to the ask WOTC thread this is major issue if true. I want to know how bad this will effect buying online (such as singles and stuff from online stores) this can effect my buying, big time!

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Posted By auggest on 09/15/2006 7:36 PM
Posted By Thousandsofminis on 09/15/2006 6:50 PM
The e-mail Auggie received while disturbing is the same thing I was told by distributors a year and a half ago, that they were only allowed to sell to bricks and mortar stores. While I understand and sympathize with the plight this put Auggie in, I think many people are misreading what has been stated. This will not be the end of online stores, I know many like myself can't buy through a distributor, I buy mine from a bricks and mortar store, who to make money themselves have set a price to sell cases that is nearly their price. They still make some money, and now so can I and others. This will be a blow to many online sellers such as Auggie, but not the end of online sales.

And Auggie, please don't take this as me not being mindful to the situation it puts you in, I would feel the same way if it was putting me in that situation, and I hope it all works out, as you have stated you do have play space and a physical location, even if it is a flea market, whereas I do not. Best of luck

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Well actually Adam you are in the same situation.  WotC is also cracking down on stores who "distribute" to other sellers.  I know this for FACT.  When DQ came out I got 50 extra cases because my wholesaler was not allowed to sell an order to another store which sub sold them.  This policy btw was explained to me at the time by 2 seperate wholesalers that I use.  I was told at the time though it would not affect me as I had a brick and morter store (abiet in a flea market).  I kinda thought as you did, I felt bad for the smaller guys who this would knock out but it would increase my sales at the same time.  This will not be the end of online sellers, this I know as voids tend to be filled.  However it might be only a matter of time before the person you buy from is cut off for selling to you.


Well this falls into three things, first they want control of thier IP just like games workshops started doing a few years back, secondly WOTC doesn't acknowledge the fact there is a major seconday market for these figures, they just want to keep cranking them out.  Third they figure they have already created a major customer base for these and thet it won't hurt sales any.Â

Frankly, I think this is just another way to force how people are going to buy stuff.  They are going to loose major money on this line and it will cause it to fizzle out if it is a major hit.  If they are going to enforce this, it must be across the board that no on-line retailers will be allowed to sell Amazon, Buy, Overstock would all not be able to get the figures anymore or anything else WOTC.

I will not pay full price for these figures and I will never buy booster for a set that has crap figures.  What they are going to do is kill the singles market.  Price increase and really piss off the people too.  I know we are not allowed to make negative comment about WOTC, but this is just plain stupid on thier part


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09/15/2006 9:26 PM  
So where is Paizo's brick and mortar store?  Consider the following:
1.)  Paizo and Wizards/Hasbro are in close partnership since Paizo prints their books, licenses Dragon and Dungeon magazines, and heavily advertizes their products.
2.)  Paizo already has an online sales engine in place to sell subscriptions, various gaming supplies, and everything in the Wizards catalog, including DDM SINGLES (at outrageously overinflated prices)
3.)  Paizo had a HUGE success with the Huge Sorceror on a Black Dragon promo in terms of "added" magazine subscriptions and "other" (probably Wizards) product sales.
4.)  Bigwigs at Hasbro/Wizards already benefit from close partnership with Paizo, so why not go "all the way" and try to really beef up Paizo as Wizards' primary online sales "face"?  Come up with some bogus sales/marketing strategies that cut down on Paizo's competition, then "make sure" they always have ample stock of DDM singles that are otherwise only available in random boosters.  Paizo gets a deal on their stock- either they get cases of DDM for below wholesale or perhaps they get single minis that never even saw the inside of a booster box for super cheap, then Wizards gets a cut of the online profit.
5.)  People in South Korea or elsewhere in the world where boosters are hard to come by can "conveniently" still order online from Paizo/Wizards/Hasbro.
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09/15/2006 9:27 PM  
Let me clarify a bit. I am not expecting anyone to quit or boycot a game WE all love. As pointed out the truth is there will still be online sales one way or another. It's just that WotC seems to have made a descion to try to get rid of them. I am pretty sure one way or another they won't succeed. All they can really do is randomly shut some down then go after the next unlucky person. More will just spring up. All I am asking is that those who have used my service and been pleased or used any other online seller and been happy email WotC and let them know your displeasure. I doubt WotC will even respond to this publicly as it's not a public matter (until I posted anyway). Perhaps if customer service comes in on Monday to find 200+ emails they will rethink this policy. There is no way they could shut down all internet sellers, one would simply disapear here and there (as they do anyway due to other reasons) so you might not even notice. Today me, couple weeks down the road Ahub, then Vesuvius and Carte Magica. We would all be replaced by someone I am sure but have they earned your trust like the names you all know here? One other point Adam, even though you buy your product not from a wholesaler the policy seems pretty clearly aimed at online sellers and would it would not be too hard for them to find out who you do buy from and cut them off. I am pretty sure that if they are willing to lose an account like mine (which was $24,000 pre odered DQ last set and paid in cash no terms at the time of pickup) they would have no trouble canceling your source too (which you already said made a bit of money off you so this would have an impact on yet another brick and morter besides my own).

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09/15/2006 9:36 PM  
This is absolutely ridiculous. I can't speak for any legal right or wrong here, but I can certainly speak for my own personal opinion.

Simply, I look to spend a certain amount on DDM with each release. If I was unable to obtain the excellent prices which stores like Auggies and others offer then I would simply purchase less. It is all about these online offers that really keep me purchasing minis.

I have thousands of minis and with each new set I consider slowing down. The only reason I keep going strong with cases is beacause of the discount I can get from these stores. If I was forced to pay the actual price then I, without any doubt, would either tremedously reduce my purchases or discontinue buying them altogether.

Yes a nice new mini which I don;t currently have is nice, but if WOTC is going to screw pals like Auggie I will absolutely stop buying minis. I don't say this lightly because I love the game and love the line. However, there comes a pouint for everyone when enough is enough and you have to make a point.

I asure you that my point will be made by them losing my $500 worth of mini purchases. I have enough minis and D & D products to last me a lifetime, but only continue to purchase because of these prices.

Yes, I buy some from local Brick and Mortar stores but if I had to pay retail price I would certainly not buy what I do now.

I hope this isn't true and I feel badly for you if it tunrs out this way.

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09/15/2006 9:53 PM  
Is it just me or are those maxminis members who are keen as mustard to blow wind up the arse of WotC and Hasbro when they do something that benefits us all, extremely conspicuous in their absence vis-a-vis a comment/explanation to this this.

C'mon Lurking Lidda, Shoe or someone else -

TELL US WHY IT WILL NOW COST AN ABSOLUTE BLOODY FORTUNE TO MAINTAIN THE HOBBY.

Let the eBay stores remain.


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09/15/2006 9:57 PM  
Not that all of this is not very sad...It truly is and my email is going off soon, as soon as I gather enough thought ( drunk at the moment ) but can we expect huge clearance sales in the near future, even to Canada ?

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09/16/2006 12:04 AM  
I like this not at all.  This policy is one of the many reasons I stopped buying Games Workshop products.  When they yanked their non-GW online sales there was a pretty nasty drop in their sales.  I was hoping Wotc/Hasbro would avoid that path.

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09/16/2006 12:04 AM  
Since there are no gaming stores anywhere near local 'round here this would effectively shut down my DDM collecting.

 As others have stated it is by far a bigger blow to wotc to lose my buisness than it is to me to lose the line. I already have more than enough to keep roleplaying fresh the rest of my days and I can make enough various warbands to keep that game fun for decades as is.

 Do I want more official minis? Yes. But I can live without more, and in fact could put to good use the money I blow on the product. Can wotc live without my money? Of course they can, but can they live without -our- money? I don't think so.

 They can try some suicide tactics like this if they choose, but they will reconsider or the line will fold.


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09/16/2006 12:07 AM  
Posted By qillan_dvra on 09/15/2006 9:53 PM
Is it just me or are those maxminis members who are keen as mustard to blow wind up the arse of WotC and Hasbro when they do something that benefits us all, extremely conspicuous in their absence vis-a-vis a comment/explanation to this this.

C'mon Lurking Lidda, Shoe or someone else -

TELL US WHY IT WILL NOW COST AN ABSOLUTE BLOODY FORTUNE TO MAINTAIN THE HOBBY.

Let the eBay stores remain.


We are all upset about the whole situation qillan_dvra.  But shouting about it won't realy do much, nor will it make it more likely that Lidda or Shoe will respond.

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