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 Forum Admin Host Sergeant
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 | | 09/18/2006 12:06 PM |
| Monte Cook comments on the 4e rumors:
There are still good companies producing quality OGL material. And Wizards is still producing good D&D material. So there's little reason to think that much will change from right now, in the short term. But what about the long term? At some point, Wizards will decide to do a 4th Edition, which is a good thing. What would be a bad thing is if it happened just because they needed to boost their bottom line when it came time to answer to Hasbro. Let me preface this by saying that nothing I'll write here on the subject of 4th Edition is based on any kind of direct knowledge. No one's told me a thing. But I did work at Wizards for years, and I knew the original plans. Moreover, I know the kinds of products that you release before a new edition, and the kinds of things you post to the Internet and say at conventions when you're working on a new edition. And so based on all that, my wild guess is 2008, with an announcement in 2007. That said, I think it maybe could come as early as 2007, with an announcement this year. If that were to happen, however, and I was working on D&D at Wizards, I'd polish up my resume, because a release that soon would seem to indicate that Hasbro was forcing the issue; it would suggest the corporation wants squeeze the game for what it was worth and then dump it, because the timing would be wrong for optimal success. It would indicate that they (Hasbro) just didn't care. To be blunt, 2007 would be too early--sales would not be as good, and the finished game would likely have been rushed. It would be very bad news for the game, for people working on the game, and likely for the rpg hobby as a whole (remember, so goes Wizards...) Of course, I could be completely wrong. Maybe it will be farther off. Like I said, I have no special knowledge.
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| Knight of Argenis Corim Danex Warlord
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 | | 09/18/2006 1:37 PM |
| | I agree with Monte Cook's statement that releasing it soon would be a terrible mistake. I think doing another edition at all is a terrible mistake. | | "Look to God and live." Alma 37:47 Ha 80/80---De 60/60---Ar 60/60---GoL 72/72---Ab 60/60---Dk 60/60---Af 60/60---Ud 60/60---WD 60/60---WDQ 60/60---BW 60/60---UH 60/60---NB 60/60---DDe 60/60---SSB 59/60 (Does anyone want to buy my SSB collection?) Champion of Something, I imagine I will think of something Vindicated Champ of Hippogriff (Arcadian Hippogriff) and Uncommon Horse | |
| yack Commander
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 Ottawa, Canada
 | | 09/18/2006 2:00 PM |
| | I agree its way to soon and it could be a money loss. | | Champion of the Peryton Vindicated Champion : Pit Fiend, Devourer ATG: Fog Giant DW: Duergar Priest RPG Only!!!! The Drumming Drunkn' DM | |
|  dj-chuckles Underboss
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 | |  Bert the Troll Commander
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 Adelaide
 | | 09/18/2006 3:57 PM |
| Unless I`m mistaken (I`m not very up with OGL) but even with a fourth edition, you can still use OGL to keep producing lots of D20 3.x edition products regardless of what Hasbro do. So lots of light at the tunnles end for current rule books to stay valid and what not.
Monte Cook seems to be saying that expects Hasbro to be dumping D&D. IE expecting a release that he says will hasvbro would know would be bad timing.
I was just getting interested enough to think about buying the 3.5 books too maybe I better do it sooner than later. | | "Mutton yesterday, mutton today, and blimey, if it don't look like mutton again tomorrer." Bert the Troll - The Hobbit Semi-Secret sig business: Sometimes the road less traveled is less traveled for a reason. ~ Seinfeld Champion of Epic Lolth, Orcus, & Demogorgon and bring us Asmodeus! | |
| Monsoon28 Underboss
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 Toronto
 | | 09/19/2006 9:07 AM |
| | Agreed even 2008 would be pushing it, 2010 with at least two years of game testing would be my suggestion. | | "I was sittin' here eatin' my muffin, drinkin' my coffee, replayin' the incident in my head, when I had what alcoholics refer to as a moment of clarity." - Jules Winnfield Sales/Trades Bad (1): Ironfist Boulderbender Trades/Sales completed (8.): Danthl, Dafrca, Garyaxe, qillan_dvra, realmaster, Vandal_Savage, cavedweller, unearthed arcana. Champion of Gem Dragons, VINDICATED Squire of Duergar Commander, Knight of the Astral Stalker.
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| CarrionCrawler Underboss
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 | | 09/19/2006 9:14 AM |
| Aren't a lot of these rumors like a month old? Plus, don't Monte Cooke and Eric Noah no longer work for Wizards?
On the other hand, thanks for making a sub-forum for possible 4e news! | | Vindicated Night Below Champion of the Digestor!!! Knight of the OozesIcons called shot: Angry MobThe stink of rotten meat surrounds this multilegged creature with a segmented, 10-foot long body. Eight writhing tentacles protrude from its head, growing directly from below its clacking mandibles and tooth-filled maw. | |
| wolfsbane114 Warrior
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 | | 09/19/2006 1:52 PM |
| | Defintely holding off would be better, I still have to learn all the rules for 3.5. | | Champion of Flint Fireforge Knight of The DarkMantle KoK: The Easily Swayed "I use to have a working probelm, until it got in the way of my gaming." | |
| PatEllis15 Commander
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 | | 09/20/2006 12:39 PM |
| Posted By Bert the Troll on 09/18/2006 3:57 PM Unless I`m mistaken (I`m not very up with OGL) but even with a fourth edition, you can still use OGL to keep producing lots of D20 3.x edition products regardless of what Hasbro do. So lots of light at the tunnles end for current rule books to stay valid and what not. Monte Cook seems to be saying that expects Hasbro to be dumping D&D. IE expecting a release that he says will hasvbro would know would be bad timing. I was just getting interested enough to think about buying the 3.5 books too  maybe I better do it sooner than later.
That is mostly true. If 4e ended the updates of theSRD, then people could continue to publish under the OGL. But, WotC can revoke the D20 lisence.
This is what Ryan Dancy was talking about. If WotcC closes the SRD, expect someone to try and recreate D&D (castles and crusades?), and pull most D&D fans with them. If they keep it open, then you'll see some migration ala 2.0, and a whole lot of people incorproating 4e into their home camaigns. IF they make 4e open, you'll see all those secondary companies producing new material as well.
Pat E | | "Games evolve. Otherwise we'd still be pushing rocks around the dirt. What do you think the cavemen said when some dude showed up with sticks?" - Chairman7w | |
| darkwaters Skirmisher
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 | | 09/25/2006 2:02 PM |
| | There is a light rumor flouting around on the wizards boards that they may go for "the revolutionary d30 system." Don't know why they call it revolutionary when they dress up d20 in a new way so it can be patented as a new system. | | | |
| Dordledum Commander
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 | | 09/29/2006 7:34 AM |
| Posted By darkwaters on 09/25/2006 2:02 PM There is a light rumor flouting around on the wizards boards that they may go for "the revolutionary d30 system." Don't know why they call it revolutionary when they dress up d20 in a new way so it can be patented as a new system.
D30s? that would be some funny dice.
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| PatEllis15 Commander
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 | | 09/29/2006 8:36 AM |
| Posted By Dordledum on 09/29/2006 7:34 AM Posted By darkwaters on 09/25/2006 2:02 PM There is a light rumor flouting around on the wizards boards that they may go for "the revolutionary d30 system." Don't know why they call it revolutionary when they dress up d20 in a new way so it can be patented as a new system. D30s? that would be some funny dice. D. You don't have a D30? I've been waiting 20 years for something useful that could utilize my never stopping D30.....
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| nyjastul69 Commander
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 Rhode Island
 | | 09/29/2006 9:26 AM |
| | d30 = Least used die ever, at least for me. | | You know, I keep thinking that after the new design team gets done with D&D 4e, D&D won't stand for Dungeons and Dragons anymore, because well, that's just not fun. It's old and stuffy. - Originally Posted by BabWryter on Kenzerco.com | |
| PaSquall Underboss
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 | | 09/30/2006 12:43 PM |
| Posted By nyjastul69 on 09/29/2006 9:26 AM d30 = Least used die ever, at least for me.
Has to be my d24. I'd love to use my d30 !!!!
D30 system could be better than d20 because there are often too many bonuses compared to the d20 random result (say roll d20 and add 15 bonus always looked odd to me, the random part should be higher. d30 would solve this) It's just me however...
99,9% sure that this d30 thing is just a joke.
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| PaSquall Underboss
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 | | 09/30/2006 12:44 PM |
| Posted By PatEllis15 on 09/29/2006 8:36 AM Posted By Dordledum on 09/29/2006 7:34 AM Posted By darkwaters on 09/25/2006 2:02 PM There is a light rumor flouting around on the wizards boards that they may go for "the revolutionary d30 system." Don't know why they call it revolutionary when they dress up d20 in a new way so it can be patented as a new system. D30s? that would be some funny dice. D. You don't have a D30? I've been waiting 20 years for something useful that could utilize my never stopping D30..... Pat E Ever tried a REAL d100 ?Â
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| nyjastul69 Commander
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 Rhode Island
 | | 09/30/2006 12:54 PM |
| 99,9% sure that this d30 thing is just a joke.
Yup. I was thinking the same thing. | | You know, I keep thinking that after the new design team gets done with D&D 4e, D&D won't stand for Dungeons and Dragons anymore, because well, that's just not fun. It's old and stuffy. - Originally Posted by BabWryter on Kenzerco.com | |
| PatEllis15 Commander
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 | | 10/01/2006 7:00 PM |
| Posted By PaSquall on 09/30/2006 12:44 PM Posted By PatEllis15 on 09/29/2006 8:36 AM Posted By Dordledum on 09/29/2006 7:34 AM Posted By darkwaters on 09/25/2006 2:02 PM There is a light rumor flouting around on the wizards boards that they may go for "the revolutionary d30 system." Don't know why they call it revolutionary when they dress up d20 in a new way so it can be patented as a new system. D30s? that would be some funny dice. D. You don't have a D30? I've been waiting 20 years for something useful that could utilize my never stopping D30..... Pat E Ever tried a REAL d100 ? 
Heh.. but of course! Nothing like a golf ball with numbers to try and roll!
Pat E | | "Games evolve. Otherwise we'd still be pushing rocks around the dirt. What do you think the cavemen said when some dude showed up with sticks?" - Chairman7w | |
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 | | Harneloot Sergeant
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 | | 11/21/2006 3:35 PM |
| D30 system could be better than d20 because there are often too many bonuses compared to the d20 random result (say roll d20 and add 15 bonus always looked odd to me, the random part should be higher. d30 would solve this) It's just me however...
This is a VERY good point and one of the major flaws of 3.x - there are just way too many bonuses piling up on just about every roll that by 11th/12th level its pretty ridiculous.
I'm not sure d30 is the answer but something needs to be done. | | "What is to give light must endure burning" -Viktor Frankl
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| Guano Jello Skirmisher
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 The Argent Palace, 45th layer of the Abyss
 | | 06/12/2007 8:22 PM |
| Is it possible to make a 30 sided dice, taught the maximium number of sides a dice could have was twenty... Someone tell me that long ago, dont know why that is tough.
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| gss_000 Commander
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 Baltimore, MD
 | | 06/12/2007 10:31 PM |
| | It's not tough, but the dice don't stop well. The 30 siders I have seen roll on and on and it's hard to read the top. Glad this is a joke. | | Completed trades: blackthorne, Drakkengi,Thorgrin, Ironfist Boulderbender x2, ckissee, nasamonkey, Username, Star, Ace13 x3, emontedodger x2, Drconveyor, church, Joeyb, Sir Bozak The Damned, Xeromod, the other guy x2, Qucalion of Celene, Dagaron x2, berus316, qillan_dvra, AshloreDarkShadow
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| Master of the Awesome Sauce Teflon Jeff Warlord
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 Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
 | | 06/13/2007 2:57 PM |
| I have both a D30 and D100, and even D20's take long enough. My free time is glad this is a joke. 
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| winterwolf Sneak
 50 Posts




 | | 08/17/2007 6:59 AM |
| Posted By Host on 09/18/2006 12:06 PM Monte Cook comments on the 4e rumors:
And so based on all that, my wild guess is 2008, with an announcement in 2007. That said, I think it maybe could come as early as 2007, with an announcement this year. If that were to happen, however, and I was working on D&D at Wizards, I'd polish up my resume, because a release that soon would seem to indicate that Hasbro was forcing the issue; it would suggest the corporation wants squeeze the game for what it was worth and then dump it, because the timing would be wrong for optimal success. It would indicate that they (Hasbro) just didn't care. To be blunt, 2007 would be too early--sales would not be as good, and the finished game would likely have been rushed. It would be very bad news for the game, for people working on the game, and likely for the rpg hobby as a whole (remember, so goes Wizards...)Of course, I could be completely wrong. Maybe it will be farther off. Like I said, I have no special knowledge.
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well. guess Monte knows what he's talking about.
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| Kaya Kenobi Underboss
 1297 Posts



 San Jose, California
 | | 08/17/2007 7:20 AM |
| | Monte knew what he was talking about because he was rushed with bringing out 3rd edition and was opposed to 3.5. | | Just a simple traveler from the swamps of Dagobah otherwise known as Florida. Also known as Hurricane Alley! I always try to send through delivery confirmation, and I expect the same. It's only 55 cents extra, so it's just a little more than a pay phone call, so just do it for the Kai. I prefer to trade with people in the US and Canada, sorry everyone else. http://www.maxminis.com/Forums/tabid/104/forumid/53/postid/655406/view/topic/Default.aspx - references | |
| Master of the Awesome Sauce Teflon Jeff Warlord
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 Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
 | | 08/17/2007 8:49 PM |
| Posted By Kaya Kenobi on 08/17/2007 7:20 AM Monte knew what he was talking about because he was rushed with bringing out 3rd edition and was opposed to 3.5.
Uh, 3E wasn't rushed, and he left shortly after. I don't think he had anything to do with 3.5 being released, and he wanted the game to go in a vastly different direction.
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| tirwin Sergeant
 442 Posts



 North Dakota, USA
 | | 08/19/2007 10:53 PM |
| From what I have read 3rd edition was rushed by Hasbro, so it didn't get the play testing it should have. The company's answer to this was the revised 3.5 edition to fix some of the discovered problems of 3.0 supposedly. But their was dissention in the ranks at Wizards as some employee's were opposed to a release of 3.5 and were let go from the company for their disagreeing with this strategy. I am assuming the Monte Cook was one of these employee's who was against 3.5's release and so he started Swords and Sorcery or something like that.  I don't know if all this is true but something along these lines is what I have read in various places on the net over the years. Of course this could be wrong as I am far from an expert when it comes to any of these legends.
Since you are an Official Delegate you would probably know more than me but this is what I have read. (Don't believe everything you read or hear right!?)Â :-) | | Here is my have want list: http://www.maxminis.com/hw_list.asp?user=tirwin Successful Trades: Irav222 (x2), Darkfather, Kaya Kenobi, conanb1, dudeeehm, Uk, Master Elminster, tmertz, Shasack, Drewskie, et39100 (x2), Gaddszooks (x4), Romers, Weinbergphp, Vaasic, Navaire, lurch_E_bean, dobblegog, cjmax, jthm, Meds x2, hellfire2, w33zrfan, unmaker, sthig, Eldarion, drowdude, DM Lackey, griffat, eryador, tsech (not sure if this is his screen name?), Jordan, entropysoda, MikeWis, HalifaxDM, Targan, Drakul, wraith428, dmindock, mythoscreature, Tenlado,Chaotic Good, Asteroidjawa, Puggins, Bdog, slapdragon, Drakkengi,WarRabbit(2), Mnpatsfan, Greymouse, Snapdragon, Isondaho, Halofurry, Krush, Ekomega, Amator, Minatoman38, + many new trades recorded by maxminis, and never had a bad trade so please help keep the streak alive, thanks! Harbringer 80/80, Dragoneye 60/60, Archfiends 60/60, Giants of Legend 72/72, Aberrations 60/60, Deathknell 60/60, Angelfire 60/60, Underdark 60/60, War Drums 60/60, War of the Dragon Queen 60/60, Blood War 60/60, Unhallowed 60/60, Night Below 60/60, DoD 54/60 | |
| nyjastul69 Commander
 2710 Posts



 Rhode Island
 | | 08/20/2007 5:39 AM |
| Posted By tirwin on 08/19/2007 10:53 PM From what I have read 3rd edition was rushed by Hasbro, so it didn't get the play testing it should have. The company's answer to this was the revised 3.5 edition to fix some of the discovered problems of 3.0 supposedly. But their was dissention in the ranks at Wizards as some employee's were opposed to a release of 3.5 and were let go from the company for their disagreeing with this strategy. I am assuming the Monte Cook was one of these employee's who was against 3.5's release and so he started Swords and Sorcery or something like that.  I don't know if all this is true but something along these lines is what I have read in various places on the net over the years. Of course this could be wrong as I am far from an expert when it comes to any of these legends.
Since you are an Official Delegate you would probably know more than me but this is what I have read. (Don't believe everything you read or hear right!?)Â :-)
Just for the record: Monte started Malhavoc Press when he left WotC, S&S is White Wolf's d20 imprint. | | You know, I keep thinking that after the new design team gets done with D&D 4e, D&D won't stand for Dungeons and Dragons anymore, because well, that's just not fun. It's old and stuffy. - Originally Posted by BabWryter on Kenzerco.com | |
| tirwin Sergeant
 442 Posts



 North Dakota, USA
 | | 08/20/2007 11:01 AM |
| | Thank you for the correct publication. I knew it was one of those others but couldn't remember which one? As I said I am far from an expert, and it's just my 2 cents worth (and it may be worth less than that?!) :-) | | Here is my have want list: http://www.maxminis.com/hw_list.asp?user=tirwin Successful Trades: Irav222 (x2), Darkfather, Kaya Kenobi, conanb1, dudeeehm, Uk, Master Elminster, tmertz, Shasack, Drewskie, et39100 (x2), Gaddszooks (x4), Romers, Weinbergphp, Vaasic, Navaire, lurch_E_bean, dobblegog, cjmax, jthm, Meds x2, hellfire2, w33zrfan, unmaker, sthig, Eldarion, drowdude, DM Lackey, griffat, eryador, tsech (not sure if this is his screen name?), Jordan, entropysoda, MikeWis, HalifaxDM, Targan, Drakul, wraith428, dmindock, mythoscreature, Tenlado,Chaotic Good, Asteroidjawa, Puggins, Bdog, slapdragon, Drakkengi,WarRabbit(2), Mnpatsfan, Greymouse, Snapdragon, Isondaho, Halofurry, Krush, Ekomega, Amator, Minatoman38, + many new trades recorded by maxminis, and never had a bad trade so please help keep the streak alive, thanks! Harbringer 80/80, Dragoneye 60/60, Archfiends 60/60, Giants of Legend 72/72, Aberrations 60/60, Deathknell 60/60, Angelfire 60/60, Underdark 60/60, War Drums 60/60, War of the Dragon Queen 60/60, Blood War 60/60, Unhallowed 60/60, Night Below 60/60, DoD 54/60 | |
| Master of the Awesome Sauce Teflon Jeff Warlord
 6247 Posts



 Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
 | | 08/20/2007 11:21 AM |
| | IIRC, and it has been 7 years now, Monte wanted to do a lot of things different in 3.0. Look at his ARCANA UNEARTHED book for a lot of details. I believe he left in 2001. 3.0 was playtested very vigorously, I know a group of playtesters. But in the end, of course it could have used more. They could still be playtesting it now, and it could use more. I do know 3.0 was started very shortly after WotC bought out TSR. Peter Adkinson pushed it, I believe. | | Official Delegate, Wizards of the Coast Against The Giants Called Shot: Huge Green Dragon Icons Called Shot: Gargantuan Prismatic Dragon
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