dj-chuckles
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| | Ok, now that we've been seeing these rumors. Lets throw gasoline on the fire.
What would you do and why?
Would you buy it if it hit shelves on Jan. 1st 2006?
What about 2007?
The future of gaming? | |
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| | 09/18/2006 2:08 PM |
| | Hey chuckles why don't you do a poll? Its at the top left when you go to create a new thread. | |
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dj-chuckles
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zqk
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| | 09/18/2006 3:53 PM |
| Posted By dj-chuckles on 09/18/2006 1:59 PM
Ok, now that we've been seeing these rumors. Lets throw gasoline on the fire. What would you do and why? Would you buy it if it hit shelves on Jan. 1st 2006? What about 2007? The future of gaming?
I assume you mean Jan. 1st 2007? and 2008.
As to if I would buy it it would depend on what had changed. | |
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Bert the Troll
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3831 Posts
Adelaide
| | 09/18/2006 4:05 PM |
| I would wait and see. Then decide.
If it was good enough, then sure I`ld buy it. Mind you I dont have much 3.x stuff so arent losing resources or it would be different story. | |
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zenthrus
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| | 09/18/2006 9:19 PM |
| I would only buy it if it was drastically different from 3.5 in a good way. Honestly, I don't see that happening.
Granted, I'll worry about 4th edition when I see it. Rumors are just that. | |
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MerricB
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| | 09/19/2006 12:44 AM |
| | The most likely date for the release of 4E is early 2008; that's a date I've heard from a source I trust. Otherwise, I doubt 3e->4e will be that drastic a change. | |
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| | 09/19/2006 3:59 AM |
| Right now I have to say no I wouldn't buy it. Just the thought of a new edition making the 35+ books I have now obsolete makes me quite annoyed and more than a little angry.
It's highly likely I will continue to play 3.5 if 4th does come out.
Will I at least look over the PH? Probably. | |
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yack
Commander
3152 Posts
Ottawa, Canada
| | 09/19/2006 4:26 AM |
| It depends when it came out..came out right now or within the next year...nope I'll skip it.
I went from AD&D (1st ed.) too 3.5 so I'll have no problems skipping 4th, unless there is something totally awesome and way down the road.
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Count Dooku
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4636 Posts
New York
| | 09/19/2006 5:26 AM |
| Im afraid I must say no to 4th edition.
I own almost every single book put out by WotC since 3rd edtion came out. Even the crap like the Map Folios and the Fantastic Locations.
I also own almost everything for the Kingdoms of Kalamar Campaign setting put out by Kenzer & co.
I have every single adventure modual put out by Necromancer Games.
I am trying to colect every Dungeon Crawl Classic adventure put out by Goodman Games (hard thing to do Im discovering).
I have all the Freeport pirate campaign stuff by Green Ronin.
I own Monte Cook's Ptolus.
I have every single issue of Dragon and Dungeon since the switch to 3rd edition.
If I played every day for 6 hours a day from now till I died I still wouldnt run out of material.
Ive invested so much into 3rd edition that it would be madness for me to jump to a new system.
I will of course peruse the 4th edition PHB to see what its like..But I have have to much 3rd edition stuff to have it become obsolete.
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Dordledum
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Netherlands
| | 09/19/2006 6:23 AM |
| I am in Dooku's camp. Have bought a lot of 3.5 material and I intend to use it for at least some years to go.
Probably go the way I did before: played 2nd edition, skipped 3.0, waited till 3.5 was released with a lot of issues resolved and bought a truckload of material. Guess i'll skip 4.0 as well, might try out 4.5 or 5.0 sometimes, or I'll stay with 3.5 indefinately.
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maijstral
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| | 09/19/2006 10:52 AM |
| As of right now I would not buy 4th edition, I have enough source books in 3.5 to last for a long long time and I don't want to start over.
Now having said that if enough of my players insisted on changing I might, two of the players in my games are source book junkies so they may buy the new books just because they are new. | | | |
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nyjastul69
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| | 09/19/2006 11:38 AM |
| | I think 10 years between editions is fair. For 3rd I'm counting from 3.5, so no, I wouldn't. I might check out the PH. I've got enough source material and minis to last the rest of my life. | |
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wolfsbane114
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| | 09/19/2006 1:59 PM |
| | I would say at first no, I would not play 4E. Not until resources ran out for 3 and 3.5. It was the same way for me with 2E. I played it until I couldn't find 2E stuff, Then I switched to 3, then I switched to 3.5 because the stuff I was buying referred back to those. So I figure it will be the same with 4E. As it has been said before I own too much of 3.5 to throw it all away, or hold on to it for collection value only. (Like the 1E & 2E books, collecting dust on my shelf.) | |
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MerricB
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2350 Posts
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| | 09/19/2006 3:00 PM |
| | However, it's extremely likely that 4E will be on the order of the 1E->2E change and not invalidate all your old books. Wizards aren't stupid. This isn't going to be a 2E->3E order of magnitude upgrade. | |
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qillan_dvra
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Oztraylya
| | 09/19/2006 4:48 PM |
| Hell no!
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gss_000
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| | 09/19/2006 6:49 PM |
| I probably would buy it, but it really depends on the changes made whether or not I'd play it. Although it was annoying how quick 3.5 came out, I was very pleased with the changes overall. If it is on the order of that, then I see no reason to stick with 3.5, expecially if I can continue to use 3.5 books with some modifications.
If you look at the track record of changes to D&D, 3.0 was much better than 2.0 and 3.5 made necessary improvements to 3.0. With that history, I'm willing to have faith that they can continue to improve the system until shown otherwise. I would, though, be happy if the update happened in 2008 or even 2009. | |
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Lab Monkey
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| | 09/19/2006 8:47 PM |
| We'll see. I'm basically with Dooku on this. I own a ton of 3.5e books (virtually the whole library), all the Eberron books and all the Soveriegn Press Dragonlance books. I essentially have 3 complete campaign settings that will last me a very long time. Why in the world would I want to invest in a new edition.
Now if there were legitimate reasons for the change I could be won over. However, that's a pretty steep hill for WotC to climb. Judging by their recent track record, I doubt it will happen.
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| | 09/20/2006 4:10 AM |
| Posted By MerricB on 09/19/2006 3:00 PM
However, it's extremely likely that 4E will be on the order of the 1E->2E change and not invalidate all your old books. Wizards aren't stupid. This isn't going to be a 2E->3E order of magnitude upgrade.
I certainly hope you're right Merric.
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Wolfgang
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| | 09/20/2006 5:31 AM |
| | I'd say that i would have to pass 3.5 is ok and the books already cost to much money for my taste | |
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| | 09/20/2006 11:03 AM |
| | I'm not sure I'd jump into a new edition myself. With 3.0 and 3.5 I just picked up the core books and a few odds and ends. I also don't play the game as much as I used to do. It's a fun exercise in nostalgia, but I've moved away from playing with the D20 mechanic. | |
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Diomedes
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| | 09/20/2006 11:34 AM |
| I actually think I'd be more irritated if 4th ed was as Merric thinks.
If I'm shelling out for a new system, I feel that there needs to be a reason /why/ I'm shelling out. A slight tweak and improvement doesn't justify a new system in my mind... it justifies some house rules.
I'd be most interested in 4th if it has a radically new and improved system. A slight upgrade would probably make me more likely to pass. YMMV.
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CarrionCrawler
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| | 09/20/2006 11:56 AM |
| | I'm happy with 3.5...hell, I was happy with 3.0....but I will not upgrade to 4.0, 7.913, or 9 3/44. Just give me my Senior Citizen card and my cane... | |
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PatEllis15
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| | 09/20/2006 12:34 PM |
| I am with Merric on this:Â Earliest would be Feb 2008 (Winter Fantasy), and it is likely to be more of a 1e - 2e than 2e-3e.
WotC must find a way to jump start sales at some point. Is 2008 the right mark? I don't know.
I know that I've only scratched the surface of 3.x, and I didn't invest heaviliy in the books. BUT, I will buy the 4e PHB and check it out (WotC scores off that...). If it isn't a huge change, you'll see plenty of "house" campaigns that blend teh 2 rule sets together.
How successful is the RPGA? Note that Feb 2008 would be the 18 month mark for the "newest" RPGA Campaign. Characters should be around 12th level by then. What level were characters when teh finished Legacy of the Green Regent? Might be just the right timing to conclude 3e RPGA campaigns, and then kick off the new edition (with everyone having to upgrade).
If the RPGA is seeing solid growth, WotC will feel more comfortable pushing on a time table.
I suspect that RPGA is holding its own however...
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| | 09/20/2006 12:45 PM |
| Posted By Ghendar on 09/20/2006 4:09 AM Posted By dj-chuckles on 09/19/2006 9:04 PM
I think Dooku is growing an Army! Where can I join? Kind of hard for him to do that with no hands and no head. 
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| | 09/21/2006 3:49 AM |
| Posted By Dordledum on 09/20/2006 12:45 PM Posted By Ghendar on 09/20/2006 4:09 AM Posted By dj-chuckles on 09/19/2006 9:04 PM
I think Dooku is growing an Army! Where can I join? Kind of hard for him to do that with no hands and no head. huh?
Didn't see Revenge of the Sith huh?
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Diomedes
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| | 09/21/2006 7:30 AM |
| Posted By ChristopherGroves on 09/20/2006 3:46 PM
Still, I kinda hope that if it is new and different it will *BE* new and different.
Yeah. That's my issue. If I wanted more of the same, I'd just buy more 3.5 source books  If I want new and different, it should either be 4th or some other system (and goodness knows there are enough systems floating around).
If it's a slight tweak, I'd feel a lot more like it was a move just to sell you the same content a second time. That irritates me and reminds me of the MPAA/RIAA. When I buy a CD, I think it's "fair use" to make myself an MP3 that will play on my computer and function as a ring tone on my cell phone.Â
*Shrug* Maybe this stems from my frustrations in general with 3.X and my general feelings of desire to see a new system out there. Don't get me wrong, I like D&D and will always be role playing in some form or another, but I would love for certain aspects of it to change... especially as a DM.Â
In general, combat has really been getting me down in 3.X. The amount of time it takes to find a monster, apply stat blocks, apply equipment, add templates/levels is staggering. It takes an amazing amount of time for *one* guy... and when I attack with a war party of orcs, there's an astonishing amount of information to look after. Admittedly, this has also always been one of the appeals of D&D. Unlike other RPGs, there's a lot of details to track and think about.
So if they do make it more "minis based" (As rumors have it), hopefully they'll make combat a hair easier to set up and deal with.
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Corim Danex
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6598 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 09/21/2006 12:00 PM |
| | I will not be buying a 4th edition. 3.5 is fine. If there are problems with the game, they are very minor. It's stupid to just keep tweaking the game forever. Add Campaign settings, maybe. But not new editions. | |
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basic_aim
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172 Posts
London ON. Canada
| | 09/21/2006 1:36 PM |
| | As a DM I'm all for 4E if it seals the loop holes in 3.5 and the game gets taken to the next level as someone that has played since 76 the game has come a long way and the players I DM for have all been playing for a long time so something fresh would be nice | |
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arbados
Underboss
1402 Posts
New York, USA
| | 09/21/2006 7:12 PM |
| I have already discussed this with my 5 players and we all strongly agree that unless it comes out sometime in 2010 then we would hold off. We all still greatly enjoy the 3.5 version and as has been mentioned by many have tons of stuff to last us forever. I would consider buying it if it was a big overhaul and not just a few tweaks. Of course the game mechanics would have to be solid as well.
In short I am not up to 4.0 just yet. Another 4 years or so and I will see. Most of my players have held off buying 3.5 stuff because they don't want to be stuck with it just in case we switch. | |
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yack
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3152 Posts
Ottawa, Canada
| | 09/22/2006 8:57 AM |
| Posted By Corim Danex on 09/21/2006 12:00 PM
I will not be buying a 4th edition. 3.5 is fine. If there are problems with the game, they are very minor. It's stupid to just keep tweaking the game forever. Add Campaign settings, maybe. But not new editions.
Thats my feeling too sort of like 3.0 to 3.5 (luckly i didn't buy 3.0)
but even if there were the odd problem with the 3.5 rules its nothing a house rule can't fix. Way cheaper then buying all new books.
Like others said after 2010-2015 I would think about it. Its way too early.
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 09/22/2006 9:13 PM |
| I really don't think it is too early for an update, or at least a proposed update. If it came out in 2007 (the earliest at this point), 3.5 would have been around for 4 years and 3rd ed in general for 7. Compare that to 11 for 2nd ed, which was way too long in my opinion, and 13 for 1st ed. Now if it just is a reisue of the core books while not invalidating the rest of 3.5, then that would be great.
They may call it 4th ed, but I don't think it'll really be a new edition until they get rid of the d20 system, and I can't get my mind around that at this point. | |
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| | 09/22/2006 9:52 PM |
| | Maybe a better question wouild be, what could they put in 4.0 edition to get you to want to buy it? What's the big-new-thing, new rule or 'system' that would make you take the leap? | | | |
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maijstral
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2105 Posts
| | 09/23/2006 1:25 PM |
| Posted By Wuzzard on 09/22/2006 9:52 PM
Maybe a better question wouild be, what could they put in 4.0 edition to get you to want to buy it? What's the big-new-thing, new rule or 'system' that would make you take the leap?
The only thing that would even make me concider 4.0 is if they streamlined the grapple  rules and to a lesser extent the other special attacks so people actually want to use them rather that avoiding them for fear of slowing the battle to a crawl. | | | |
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PatEllis15
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4462 Posts
| | 09/23/2006 6:07 PM |
| Hmmm
Good question Wuz.
I don't like the way prestige classes turned out. I like them more as meta groups. Unfortunatley, the way that 3.x has turned out, adventure design has shifted from segmented to block. i.e. you run an continuous adventure from level 1 to level 20, leaving no time to role play joining a meta group.
Not sure how you fix that though, Dungeon, Ptolus et al have shown that DM's like such adventures.
Special combat could use some help. Rangers are still not perfect. Polymorph still needs work. Bards and Rogues still need some attention.
I think that 10 years is a pretty good cycle time. I strongly believe that the earliest that we will see a new edition is February 08. That is likely at least 1 year too early. As I stated before, if they go OGL and update the SRD to 4.0, then the hangers on will follow, and the transition will be "fairly" successful (much as 2.0 was successful, but never reach the heady days of 1e).
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gss_000
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3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 09/23/2006 9:28 PM |
| Although I disagree on several of your points, I can see what you are saying. I've seen metaorgs done well in campaigns like Living Greyhawk so I don't see an explicit need to chang prestige classes.
I definitely agree that bards need help, but the sorcerer and monk needs some minor tweeking as well. I think making the ranger variant in PHBII permanent or a choice from the beginning would be good.
Polymorph does need help, but I think the proposed changes now go too far. I'd like to see turning changed to be more useful at higher levels.
If they could somehow set back the power creep between fighter types and mage types without gutting either, I'd be extrmely happy. Not sure how you do that, though. | |
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| | 09/24/2006 11:35 PM |
| | I, myself, would not want to switch, but if our group did, then I would have no choice if I wanted to keep playing. Having said that, I believe our group has stated that it wants to stay 3/3.5. Easy to say, but if 4e looks awesome, then who can really say, right? | |
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