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Wraithborne
Commander
3546 Posts
    
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 | | 04/24/2007 7:24 PM |
| So, in addition to yanking Dungeon and Dragon Magazine from Paizo, WotC has yanked Dragonlance from Sovereign Press and Ravenloft from Sword and Sorcery. I take this as a bleak sign, as I don't think they will give either setting much support. Ravenloft will die and Dragonlance will be right behind it after they cash in from the movie exposure. Kind of an I don't want her anymore, but you can't have her either outlook.
This, copled with the Star Wars Saga Rules(anyone remember the last Saga rules?) says to me that WotC are closing ranks and preparing. Enjoy the OGL while you can, as I predict that by or before D&D XP, it and 3.x will be taking a long walk down a very short pier. I may me wrong....heck, I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think so. Many people like to use timelines when attempting to determine whether a new edition should be forthcoming, but it shouldn't be about time. IMO it should all be about whether or not the current edition is broken or stale. 2e was very stale when it's time came to meet the reaper, but I would argue that 3e still has a good bit of life left in her. Not that that will matter. There is more money in a new edition than in sourcebooks that not everyone will buy. Bottom Line.
So, if you're one of the people who will be buying 4e and Ebaying your 3.x collection, remember my username, as you'll see it often as the high bidder. Â | |
The year: 1994. From out of space comes a runaway planet, hurtling between the Earth and the Moon, unleashing cosmic destruction! Man's civilization is cast in ruin!
Two thousand years later, Earth is reborn...
A strange new world rises from the old: a world of savagery, super science, and sorcery. But one man bursts his bonds to fight for justice! With his companions Ookla the Mok and Princess Ariel, he pits his strength, his courage, and his fabulous Sunsword against the forces of evil.
He is Thundarr, the Barbarian!
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 04/24/2007 8:29 PM |
| I really don't think this is the case. I think it is just that many of the licenses are coming due at the same time and are being recalled.
Now, I can see what you are saying, and I might have thought he same, if it wasn't for the release of the Rules Compendium coming out this year. Why would they make that if they were just going to release a 4th ed so soon? It's true that sourcebooks make more money, but this seems just like a complete waste.
Now the retaking of the license may be because WOTC feels they can actually do something with them where before they licensed them out because they couldn't do anything at the time. They are rereleasing the Ravenloft novels with new covers, something to me that heralds a reviving of the line, not ending it. As for DL? We'll see.
That's just my opinion. No hard facts behind it so far. | |
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Shottglazz
Sergeant
970 Posts
Quinte West, Ontario, Canada
| | 04/25/2007 5:24 AM |
| | IMO, Wraithborne has it right...the signs seem to be pointing to a total pooch-screw for 3e...hmmm maybe we can get someone to make a Mystara movie, then WotC might re-release the setting (updated to 3.5)...or Birthright.... | |
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7146 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 04/25/2007 4:19 PM |
| It doesn't make any financial sense to pull it in and do nothing. Why not at least get the license fees if you aren't going to use it.
This isn't 2nd grade. They'll do something with it.
What that is remains a mystery.
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Wraithborne
Commander
3546 Posts
West Virginia
| | 04/25/2007 6:37 PM |
| No need for insults, it's not 3rd grade either.
Do you honestly see them relaunching 2 more campaign settings? I surely don't. They've already done the biggest moneymaker from the Ravenloft setting. What else could they make that would sell anywhere near as well? I don't see a big relaunch with product every month or 2 for Dragonlance either. I really think they'll put out a few products to cash in on the movie and then let it sink into the Quagmire of Doom. I don't realistically see them supporting 4 settings. I do think not renewing licenses would be the first step they would take if they were going to put an end to the OGL.
As for the Rules Compendium coming out, I don't think that means anything. In fact, it would be sort of like putting out a new edition of core rulebooks when you're already working on more expensive revision books to be released shortly thereafter. If you knew that 4e was on the way, would you buy the rules compendium? Would anyone? | |
The year: 1994. From out of space comes a runaway planet, hurtling between the Earth and the Moon, unleashing cosmic destruction! Man's civilization is cast in ruin!
Two thousand years later, Earth is reborn...
A strange new world rises from the old: a world of savagery, super science, and sorcery. But one man bursts his bonds to fight for justice! With his companions Ookla the Mok and Princess Ariel, he pits his strength, his courage, and his fabulous Sunsword against the forces of evil.
He is Thundarr, the Barbarian!
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 04/25/2007 6:43 PM |
| | They mentioned at DDXP that there was going to be a new living campaign, but never revealed what it is. I wonder if they are going to do a Living Dragonlance and needed the license to make this happen. | |
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Shottglazz
Sergeant
970 Posts
Quinte West, Ontario, Canada
| | 04/26/2007 3:52 AM |
| Posted By Wraithborne on 04/25/2007 6:37 PM
No need for insults, it's not 3rd grade either.
Do you honestly see them relaunching 2 more campaign settings? I surely don't. They've already done the biggest moneymaker from the Ravenloft setting. What else could they make that would sell anywhere near as well? I don't see a big relaunch with product every month or 2 for Dragonlance either. I really think they'll put out a few products to cash in on the movie and then let it sink into the Quagmire of Doom. I don't realistically see them supporting 4 settings. I do think not renewing licenses would be the first step they would take if they were going to put an end to the OGL.
As for the Rules Compendium coming out, I don't think that means anything. In fact, it would be sort of like putting out a new edition of core rulebooks when you're already working on more expensive revision books to be released shortly thereafter. If you knew that 4e was on the way, would you buy the rules compendium? Would anyone?
LOL I was being facetious Wraith...or was that wishful thinking? As far as them releasing new products just before changing editions - anyone remember when 3.0 came out and they were still introducing new 2nd edition stuff? | |
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Wraithborne
Commander
3546 Posts
West Virginia
| | 04/26/2007 4:20 AM |
| | Yeah, I got it lol....I was more responding to Teflon Jeff's post there | |
The year: 1994. From out of space comes a runaway planet, hurtling between the Earth and the Moon, unleashing cosmic destruction! Man's civilization is cast in ruin!
Two thousand years later, Earth is reborn...
A strange new world rises from the old: a world of savagery, super science, and sorcery. But one man bursts his bonds to fight for justice! With his companions Ookla the Mok and Princess Ariel, he pits his strength, his courage, and his fabulous Sunsword against the forces of evil.
He is Thundarr, the Barbarian!
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yack
Commander
3164 Posts
Gatineau Canada
| | 04/26/2007 4:29 AM |
| Rules Compendium..........? so what, that would be the best book to end 3.5 with. The finally rules here you go seeya! 4th can go to ................
I will be on ebay with Wraith.  | |
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Shottglazz
Sergeant
970 Posts
Quinte West, Ontario, Canada
| | 04/26/2007 6:13 AM |
| | ...and both Yack and Wraith will be bidding against me... | |
Shottglazz
"Take my love, take my land, take me where I cannot stand;
I don't care, I'm still free, you can't take the sky from me."
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7146 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 04/26/2007 10:56 AM |
| Sorry, I was not trying to come off as insulting. It was certainly not my intent. the 2nd grade comment was in response to the comment of "If we can't have it, no one can"
In the end, I think they may be pulling in for something, I just don't know what. there are myriad possibilities of what they could do. Crossovers? New Living campaigns? I think a relaunch may be possible for Dragonlance. Ravenloft may go back to a lesser setting, with just some adventure support for it.
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 04/26/2007 12:44 PM |
| I think people need to relax a little. Whenever they announce a 4th ed, there is going to be at least a year wait for it. The earliest I could see is an announcememnt at GenCon this year (and that is the earliest) with a launch the next GenCon. That would make 8 years of 3rd ed.
But that is the earliest, and even that is silly. My point about the Rules Compendium was more that it would engender more aggrevation if they then announced soon aftewards that 4th ed was coming out. You have a release of updated rules, and then you switch? I'd be pissed because it's just a waste and would delay my purchase of a new edition. I don't have a problem with a new edition, but this would be too much. Basically, I think more people would have the "I have so much 3rd ed I don't need a 4th" than there already is if they release this book then the next.
I think because of this we'll see a 4th ed by the end of the decade or very early next. The compndium cmes out in October, meaning an announcement of 4th ed has to be in 2008 the earliest, and putting 4th ed at 2009 if not 2010. | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10301 Posts
United States
| | 05/05/2007 4:50 AM |
| Let's say that 4.0 is scheduled for GenCon 08. That would mean that, probably by May next year, the books would be printed and bound and in the slow process of being sent to all the distributors and others who get advance copies. So, they'd have to be at the printers by March, maybe earlier, I'd guess. And for the books to be at the printers by March 08, layout would have to be done. Layout takes forever, so that would mean that the layout staff would probably have their hands on the material at least six months before that. This would be, what, October 07? And before layout get their hands on it, the illustrations would have to be mostly done, and the text filtered through editors. Checking text (provided that 4.0 doesn't have huge blocks of copy-and-paste errors from 3.5 or even 3.0) takes a while, and illustrations take a while. I'd give a minimum of another 6 months for this--so now we're in March 07. Given the time it takes to write the material, and come up with concepts for the illustrations, we're probably back to October 06.
All of this assumes that we're shooting for high quality, that WotC breaks with tradition and has more and better proofreaders than they've had recently (I'm probably shooting myself in the foot here, given that I edit for KA). Oh, I forgot to add in playtesting and all that. There's easily another year there.
From the looks of things, if 4.0 is going to be good, and well-thought-out, and properly edited, we're not likely to see it before GenCon 09, and perhaps later.
That said, I think that the new Star Wars rules probably give us some hints. And, I hope, other d20 systems undergo revisions as well, and that we can get yet more hints from those. We can probably even derive some hints from the recently revised D&D stat blocks.
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 05/06/2007 8:25 AM |
| | Nice analysis. | |
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Wraithborne
Commander
3546 Posts
West Virginia
| | 05/06/2007 11:16 AM |
| Posted By Vrecknidj on 05/05/2007 4:50 AM
 Oh, I forgot to add in playtesting and all that. There's easily another year there.
From the looks of things, if 4.0 is going to be good, and well-thought-out, and properly edited, we're not likely to see it before GenCon 09, and perhaps later.
Dave
A very good analysis. I admit that I haven't given a lot of thought to how long everything would take to put together, but I also figure that they have been working on 4e for quite some time.
I quoted the points that I think would not hold back the timeline at all.
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I see very little hope of playtesting on anything even remotely close to this scale happening. Most of the stuff we get seems barely playtested now.
As for good and well thought out, that would be something that would remain unknown until launch, when people can get a look at the books. I doubt it could be too well thought out personally, as I think it will be more like 3.75 than a new edition and will be full of tweaks and minor changes, but nothing overly new.
Properly edited.....Well, I am more forgiving than many on editing. Everyone makes a typo now and again, but for WotC's products to even vaugely resemble properly edited, they really need to hire editors that do nothing but edit. The mistakes that are left in books are oftimes ridiculous. Stuff that should be caught by spell check, horrible continuity errors and conflicting information. The possibility that they will hire a group of editors is slim I think, so we will most likely get the same quality that we are unfortunately used to. | |
The year: 1994. From out of space comes a runaway planet, hurtling between the Earth and the Moon, unleashing cosmic destruction! Man's civilization is cast in ruin!
Two thousand years later, Earth is reborn...
A strange new world rises from the old: a world of savagery, super science, and sorcery. But one man bursts his bonds to fight for justice! With his companions Ookla the Mok and Princess Ariel, he pits his strength, his courage, and his fabulous Sunsword against the forces of evil.
He is Thundarr, the Barbarian!
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 05/06/2007 3:15 PM |
| I see very little hope of playtesting on anything even remotely close to this scale happening. Most of the stuff we get seems barely playtested now.
But there is a big difference between playtesting essentilly an add on, which they do some of, and playtesting the core rules to a new expansion. It's a different scale and importance and one they are going to make sure they have enough of. | |
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7146 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 05/07/2007 11:28 AM |
| Posted By gss_000 on 05/06/2007 3:15 PM I see very little hope of playtesting on anything even remotely close to this scale happening. Most of the stuff we get seems barely playtested now. But there is a big difference between playtesting essentilly an add on, which they do some of, and playtesting the core rules to a new expansion. It's a different scale and importance and one they are going to make sure they have enough of.
Yeah, playtesting a new systme takes a lot. Anyone here remember the playtest for 3.0? pretty massive. They worked on that for ~4 years, IIRC. depending on the rework level, it could be another 2 years. I expect genCon '09 for a relaunch.
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ronan
Sneak
60 Posts
Rochester, NY
| | 05/07/2007 1:09 PM |
| | At the rate things are going 4.0 wont be relaesed as a harcover book they will make it the "first in a line of online books from WOTC". | |
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Wraithborne
Commander
3546 Posts
West Virginia
| | 05/07/2007 6:49 PM |
| Posted By Teflon Jeff on 05/07/2007 11:28 AM Posted By gss_000 on 05/06/2007 3:15 PM I see very little hope of playtesting on anything even remotely close to this scale happening. Most of the stuff we get seems barely playtested now. But there is a big difference between playtesting essentilly an add on, which they do some of, and playtesting the core rules to a new expansion. It's a different scale and importance and one they are going to make sure they have enough of. Yeah, playtesting a new systme takes a lot. Anyone here remember the playtest for 3.0? pretty massive. They worked on that for ~4 years, IIRC. depending on the rework level, it could be another 2 years. I expect genCon '09 for a relaunch.
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I just don't see playtesting on that scale. 4e is most likely going to be nothing but minor revisions. 3e was a wholecloth new system that was radically different from 2e. 4e is probably going to be more like the difference between 1e AD&D and 2e, ie pretty much compatible with some minor changes. | |
The year: 1994. From out of space comes a runaway planet, hurtling between the Earth and the Moon, unleashing cosmic destruction! Man's civilization is cast in ruin!
Two thousand years later, Earth is reborn...
A strange new world rises from the old: a world of savagery, super science, and sorcery. But one man bursts his bonds to fight for justice! With his companions Ookla the Mok and Princess Ariel, he pits his strength, his courage, and his fabulous Sunsword against the forces of evil.
He is Thundarr, the Barbarian!
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7146 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 05/07/2007 8:05 PM |
| True, it's not a ground up rebuild, but it's also not quite a revision. 3.5 was enough for that, if theye were going to revise, I think we'd see 3.75 first.
4th edition should harbinger enough change as to warrant major playtesting.
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Wraithborne
Commander
3546 Posts
West Virginia
| | 05/08/2007 9:22 AM |
| True, it's not a ground up rebuild, but it's also not quite a revision. 3.5 was enough for that, if theye were going to revise, I think we'd see 3.75 first.
4th edition should harbinger enough change as to warrant major playtesting.
Emphasis mine. I agree that it should, just not that it actually will. | |
The year: 1994. From out of space comes a runaway planet, hurtling between the Earth and the Moon, unleashing cosmic destruction! Man's civilization is cast in ruin!
Two thousand years later, Earth is reborn...
A strange new world rises from the old: a world of savagery, super science, and sorcery. But one man bursts his bonds to fight for justice! With his companions Ookla the Mok and Princess Ariel, he pits his strength, his courage, and his fabulous Sunsword against the forces of evil.
He is Thundarr, the Barbarian!
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 05/08/2007 12:20 PM |
| Posted By ronan on 05/07/2007 1:09 PM
At the rate things are going 4.0 wont be relaesed as a harcover book they will make it the "first in a line of online books from WOTC".
Now, now. Let's not let the bitterness over Dragon and Dungeon spill over to other areas. They have said repeatedly that there will be hard copy content.Â
Although, there is a small part of me that says the way the a lot of people in general don't pay for books but download them online it's only what we deserve. And for disclosure, I don't use or have gaming PDFs.Â
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 05/08/2007 12:27 PM |
| Posted By Wraithborne on 05/08/2007 9:22 AM
Emphasis mine. I agree that it should, just not that it actually will.
That is a pretty pessimistic statement, though. I still believe that there will be more playtesting than for a supplement. There is more at stake, because instead of putting out a product that you know only a percentage of your core gamers will buy, you have 2-3 books that a much larger if not all of those core gamers are going to get. If you put out a bad product, you've hurt yourself for years to come.
Even if the changes are not as big as 2nd to 3rd ed, there is a fundamental difference between a 3.75 and a 4th ed that will get it much more attention.
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Ghendar
Warlord
11227 Posts
The Dark and Forbidding Lands of The Necromancer.
| | 09/04/2007 5:29 AM |
| Posted By Vrecknidj on 05/05/2007 4:50 AM
From the looks of things, if 4.0 is going to be good, and well-thought-out, and properly edited, we're not likely to see it before GenCon 09, and perhaps later.
Hmmmmmm. | |
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Ghendar
Warlord
11227 Posts
The Dark and Forbidding Lands of The Necromancer.
| | 09/04/2007 5:30 AM |
| Posted By gss_000 on 04/26/2007 12:44 PM
I think people need to relax a little. Whenever they announce a 4th ed, there is going to be at least a year wait for it. The earliest I could see is an announcememnt at GenCon this year (and that is the earliest) with a launch the next GenCon. That would make 8 years of 3rd ed.
But that is the earliest, and even that is silly. My point about the Rules Compendium was more that it would engender more aggrevation if they then announced soon aftewards that 4th ed was coming out. You have a release of updated rules, and then you switch? I'd be pissed because it's just a waste and would delay my purchase of a new edition. I don't have a problem with a new edition, but this would be too much. Basically, I think more people would have the "I have so much 3rd ed I don't need a 4th" than there already is if they release this book then the next.
I think because of this we'll see a 4th ed by the end of the decade or very early next. The compndium cmes out in October, meaning an announcement of 4th ed has to be in 2008 the earliest, and putting 4th ed at 2009 if not 2010.
And had that happened, I think the reaction would have been more favorable.
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Champion of the Spider Eater with rider.
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 09/04/2007 2:57 PM |
| Right. I was wrong about my guess, I can freely admit that. I can see why people are upset and understand it.
The Rules Compendium still bothers me. But thinking about what they have mentioned already, I can see the problems with 3.5. Frankly, I'm excited by what they are doing with clerics and bards. It took me about a week to get over my initial anger and start seeing how this might be good (it all depends on the final product).
Still, I'd feel better with another year.
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Star
Sergeant
978 Posts
New Britain, CT
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| Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:57 PM
Still, I'd feel better with another year.
I agree with this - and have probably said it in a thread somewhere - but the fact is that if they had waited another year then we'd still wish that they'd wait another year after that. The only difference is we'd have a year of them releasing books like "The Complete Commoner" and "Players Handbook 3" because they've done as much as they could with 3.5.
4E is coming next summer. I've come to terms with that.
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7146 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 09/05/2007 7:30 AM |
| | I like the rules compendium release. It truly will be a full rules compendium, not just a "what we had up till then" compendium. | |
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Wraithborne
Commander
3546 Posts
West Virginia
| | 09/05/2007 7:32 AM |
| Posted By Teflon Jeff on 09/05/2007 7:30 AM
I like the rules compendium release. It truly will be a full rules compendium, not just a "what we had up till then" compendium.
That's exactly why I changed my mind and will now be buying it. | |
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nyjastul69
Commander
2710 Posts
Rhode Island
| | 09/05/2007 7:40 AM |
| Posted By Wraithborne on 09/05/2007 7:32 AM Posted By Teflon Jeff on 09/05/2007 7:30 AM
I like the rules compendium release. It truly will be a full rules compendium, not just a "what we had up till then" compendium. That's exactly why I changed my mind and will now be buying it.
All of the Compendiums are looking much better because of this. | |
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Ghendar
Warlord
11227 Posts
The Dark and Forbidding Lands of The Necromancer.
| | 09/05/2007 8:07 AM |
| Posted By Teflon Jeff on 09/05/2007 7:30 AM
I like the rules compendium release. It truly will be a full rules compendium, not just a "what we had up till then" compendium.
Just how "complete" is this book supposed to be? Does it mean I could chuck my DMG and PH? | |
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Champion of the Spider Eater with rider.
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
How many times in life do you get to eat your own Cthulhu? - Posted By Pedro on 03/31/2008 2:29 | |
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7146 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 09/07/2007 4:30 PM |
| Posted By Ghendar on 09/05/2007 8:07 AM Posted By Teflon Jeff on 09/05/2007 7:30 AM
I like the rules compendium release. It truly will be a full rules compendium, not just a "what we had up till then" compendium. Just how "complete" is this book supposed to be? Does it mean I could chuck my DMG and PH?
That I don't know, but I doubt it. It's probably the most advanced index you've ever seen, among other things.
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