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Guano Jello
Skirmisher
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The Argent Palace, 45th layer of the Abyss
 | | 06/12/2007 7:19 PM |
| I mean it's the worst that i can think of, having my whole set of third edition books rid off, i have made a fair collection of them, and when the new edition hits theyll be worthless, wont They? Ill have to open my wallet and start from scratch again : (.
Whats the main reason for doing this, is it for sales reasons? i dont think so, they are making a lot of money right now, probably they have a boost in financials when a new edition hits, becaus everybody buys the core set and their campaigns settings and all that, but in the end its not that a great deal.
So why do they have to release a new edition, i have been playing D&D since 2001 and im not borred of this system (and most people i know arent either), i have also play second edition, and comparing, third rules.
So again, Why the need for a new edition? | |
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Wraithborne
Commander
3426 Posts
West Virginia
| | 06/13/2007 7:58 AM |
| | It's all about $$. New core books sell much better than sourcebooks. | |
Hey Woman, Hey Woman!! Listen here. Since your ol' man ain't got no heart, maybe you'd like to see a real man. I bet you stay up late every night dreamin' you had a real man, don't ya'? I tell you what, bring your pretty little self over to my apartment tonight and I'll show you a real man!
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 06/13/2007 9:38 AM |
| First, it's going to be another few years before something comes up so your colection won't get stale yet. This is not something that wil happen in the next couple of years.
However, you need new additions. As Waithborne says, core rulebooks sell much better than supplements. Supplements sell pretty well for the first month they are out, and then they have a prety sharp dropoff. A line can't continue indefinitely with that kind of sales. After awhile, too, people spend enough of the line, feel they have enough books, and slow down in their buying habits. 2nd ed was around for 11-12 years I believe and D&D was on life support. It's rules were stale, people were fleeing the system for other games, and were annoyed with the horrendous amount of supplements that were coming out. You can even start seeing a little of this now, even though the books are of a much higher quality and aren't as necessasary as the expanded options in those new supplements were. If 3rd ed wasn't a marked improvement, I think D&D would have died because that new edition was too long in coming. So, get ready and expect an announcemement in a year or so with a roll ut another year or so after that. (My best guess, no inside knowledge)
And remember: what you are saying now is what some said when 3rd ed came out and when 2nd ed came out. | |
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
6234 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 06/13/2007 2:55 PM |
| Yeah, nothing is constant except change. WotC makes money by selling books, and eventually, everything will be done for 3.5, or at least everything that sells.
So, as long as 4th is an improvement, I'll buy in. Same reasona they keep making mini's. To sell and make paychecks.
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Wraithborne
Commander
3426 Posts
West Virginia
| | 06/14/2007 3:39 AM |
| Posted By gss_000 on 06/13/2007 9:38 AM
You can even start seeing a little of this now, even though the books are of a much higher quality and aren't as necessary as the expanded options in those new supplements were.
I agree with a lot of what you said, but most definitely not the bolded statement. I would say that aesthetically, the books are prettier, but the quality of content and editing is sporadic at best. 2e had some very well written sourcebooks that tended to be much more informative. A lot of the problems with this arise from the breakneck speed with which they churn out books and the lack of dedicated editors whose job is to do nothing other than editing. | |
Hey Woman, Hey Woman!! Listen here. Since your ol' man ain't got no heart, maybe you'd like to see a real man. I bet you stay up late every night dreamin' you had a real man, don't ya'? I tell you what, bring your pretty little self over to my apartment tonight and I'll show you a real man!
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GuJiaXian
Sergeant
636 Posts
Holladay, Utah
| | 06/14/2007 10:05 AM |
| | I've noticed that 2nd edition materials tended to emphasize story, information, and plot, while 3rd edition (and 3.5, of course) seem to go more for rules and mechanics. | |
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
6234 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 06/14/2007 12:22 PM |
| I thought the 2E editing was horible until the end of the run. But the first 5-6 years was horrible editing.
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 06/14/2007 6:49 PM |
| Not only horrible editing, but I hated the content. Each book was essentially, "I know that last set of rules made your characters powerful, but here's something even better." After awhile, I didn't even look at my PHB anymore.
Now I will say that there was some more fluff to the books than early 3.5, but now there is a lot of flavor coming with with crunch of game rules. I think they hit a great balance.
This is all just my opinion. | |
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zenthrus
Commander
4591 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 06/15/2007 2:00 AM |
| Posted By gss_000 on 06/14/2007 6:49 PM
Now I will say that there was some more fluff to the books than early 3.5, but now there is a lot of flavor coming with with crunch of game rules. I think they hit a great balance.
Agreed.
Granted, I don't anticipate 4th edition making an appearance for at least two more years (2009). Even then, it would have to go some lengths to beat out 3.5 for being streamlined and convenient (very great lengths to convince me to re-purchase a library that I already own).
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coldnorthgamer
Skirmisher
19 Posts
| | 06/15/2007 6:28 AM |
| Posted By GuJiaXian on 06/14/2007 10:05 AM
I've noticed that 2nd edition materials tended to emphasize story, information, and plot, while 3rd edition (and 3.5, of course) seem to go more for rules and mechanics.
I agree with you on this for the early 3.5 supplements. They were just character power upgrades. I've heard that newer supplements have more story, but I stopped buying the supplements 2 years ago, so I can't comment on the current batch of supplements.
For me, I don't know, if 4th Edition does come out, I might just buy a computer game instead and wait for 5th edition as then my kid will be old enough to play and I've found the best part of D&D is introducing a young kid that has never memorized every sourcebook available.
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
6234 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 06/15/2007 7:43 PM |
| Posted By coldnorthgamer on 06/15/2007 6:28 AM Posted By GuJiaXian on 06/14/2007 10:05 AM
I've noticed that 2nd edition materials tended to emphasize story, information, and plot, while 3rd edition (and 3.5, of course) seem to go more for rules and mechanics. I agree with you on this for the early 3.5 supplements. They were just character power upgrades. I've heard that newer supplements have more story, but I stopped buying the supplements 2 years ago, so I can't comment on the current batch of supplements. For me, I don't know, if 4th Edition does come out, I might just buy a computer game instead and wait for 5th edition as then my kid will be old enough to play and I've found the best part of D&D is introducing a young kid that has never memorized every sourcebook available.
Quoted for truth!!! I'm definitely looking forward to teaching my kids... | |
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yack
Commander
3129 Posts
Ottawa, Canada
| | 06/20/2007 5:43 PM |
| | 2nd was good for the FR suppliments (sp?) they have left a ton of info in the 3rd/3.5 edition books. | |
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thekidxii
Sergeant
362 Posts
No Yack. I said.. we need a DM not BM!
| | 06/21/2007 4:41 AM |
| For me, I don't know, if 4th Edition does come out, I might just buy a computer game instead and wait for 5th edition as then my kid will be old enough to play and I've found the best part of D&D is introducing a young kid that has never memorized every sourcebook available.
Can hardly wait for the day my kid(s) are old enough to play... just don't think I'll bother upgrading my source books... I only own the 3.5 PHB and that is only due to my DM. I wouldn't bat an eye if he said let's go back to 1st or 2nd edition. (we have enough material to game 'til the end of our days)
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Kaya Kenobi
Underboss
1296 Posts
San Jose, California
| | 08/10/2007 10:11 AM |
| I actually made a reverse dungeon 3.0 compatible... Maybe one day I'll find the notes and post the conversions!  | |
Just a simple traveler from the swamps of Dagobah otherwise known as Florida. Also known as Hurricane Alley!
I always try to send through delivery confirmation, and I expect the same. It's only 55 cents extra, so it's just a little more than a pay phone call, so just do it for the Kai.  I prefer to trade with people in the US and Canada, sorry everyone else.
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Thenameless
Warlord
8472 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 08/11/2007 10:45 AM |
| | Our play group made a pretty significant investment in 3-3.5 which we love. We've more or less agreed to stick to this system, so that RPG doesn't cost us an arm and a leg, but we'll see if that holds true when 4e comes out. | |
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 08/13/2007 10:16 AM |
| | We'll probably buy it when it comes out. Never been afraid of new systems just because of old investments (as my collection of 1st ed and 2nd ed books attest). Whether we continue playing it will all depend on whether it is an improvement when it comes out. | |
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
6234 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 08/13/2007 6:38 PM |
| As the primary investor of 3.0/.5 material, I can say my group will migrate, probably for the same reason we migrated to 3.5 I bought everyone the new core books. After that, I'll buy me one of everything, but they're on their own. But, my books are generally available for perusal, so I'm kind of like the library for most guys.
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Ghendar
Warlord
10836 Posts
In the constellation of Cygnus, or Central Connecticut
| | 08/14/2007 4:20 AM |
| The primary reason (I believe anyway) why a lot of folks are very opposed to 4th ED is because they see it as unnecessary. 3rd ED is just fine. Sure there are some tweaks and changes that could be made but you can say that about any RPG.
3rd ED works just fine and is not in need of being replaced by another edition. You can't say that about 2nd ED. 2nd ED was badly in need (imo) of being replaced and 3rd did that just fine.
I know at some point 4th will come. WotC can only churn out so many more 3.5 books. I ran out of "essential" D&D books two years ago. Now, everything is purely optional to me and I'm hardly buying anything.
When 4th comes out, I'll probably pick up the PHB and check it out but that's about it. I have no interest in investing in umpteen books like I did with 3rd. | |
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Kaya Kenobi
Underboss
1296 Posts
San Jose, California
| | 08/14/2007 8:48 PM |
| | that's when I'll be the smart one and download all the pdf versions of 4th.. | |
Just a simple traveler from the swamps of Dagobah otherwise known as Florida. Also known as Hurricane Alley!
I always try to send through delivery confirmation, and I expect the same. It's only 55 cents extra, so it's just a little more than a pay phone call, so just do it for the Kai. I prefer to trade with people in the US and Canada, sorry everyone else.
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jaidenshea
Skirmisher
11 Posts
St Cloud, MN
| | 08/15/2007 8:15 PM |
| | I am excited for 4th because I have enough 3.5 to play the rest of my life, the game is "fixed" compared to 2nd ed and the books I do not have will be at whole sell prices. | | | |
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Kaya Kenobi
Underboss
1296 Posts
San Jose, California
| | 08/16/2007 1:32 AM |
| | heh... good luck, the only times I have seen ADnD books, they were either near full price, or like the Fiend Folio, 3 times the price. | |
Just a simple traveler from the swamps of Dagobah otherwise known as Florida. Also known as Hurricane Alley!
I always try to send through delivery confirmation, and I expect the same. It's only 55 cents extra, so it's just a little more than a pay phone call, so just do it for the Kai. I prefer to trade with people in the US and Canada, sorry everyone else.
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vanrulzz
Underboss
2294 Posts
¯\(°_o)/¯
| | 08/16/2007 9:58 AM |
| | i got my first books the day after 3.5 came out (i now realize why the store was packed) and so i have made a HUGE investment in 3.5. i coulld switch over to 4th but im not sure if thats a good idea. | |
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
6234 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 08/17/2007 8:51 PM |
| 4e is just another fix in the evolution of the game. some of ti will be better, some will need to be fixed later. If it was perfect, then 4E wouldn't be needed.
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Star
Sergeant
978 Posts
New Britain, CT
| | 08/18/2007 2:07 PM |
| I'm not totally opposed to the idea of 4.0 and I'll definately buy the core books. Anything after that will depend on what changes have been made and whether or not my gaming group makes the change to 4.0. There are things in 3.5 that could be improved or made easier - but change for the sake of change is bothersome.
I understand that they have produced about as much material for 3.5 that is possible and that a new edition is needed for the continued life of D+D (and WOTC profits). That's fine so long as they take the opportunity to actually improve upon the existing product. | |
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
6234 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 08/19/2007 9:43 AM |
| Posted By Star on 08/18/2007 2:07 PM
I'm not totally opposed to the idea of 4.0 and I'll definately buy the core books. Anything after that will depend on what changes have been made and whether or not my gaming group makes the change to 4.0. There are things in 3.5 that could be improved or made easier - but change for the sake of change is bothersome.
I understand that they have produced about as much material for 3.5 that is possible and that a new edition is needed for the continued life of D+D (and WOTC profits). That's fine so long as they take the opportunity to actually improve upon the existing product.
Quoted for truth. | |
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XAos
Underboss
2357 Posts
London
| | 08/20/2007 3:53 AM |
| Posted By Wraithborne on 06/13/2007 7:58 AM
It's all about $$.
I'd guess 4e is all about trademarks & patents.
Hasbro want to get control of most of the core patents for on-line & computer moderated RPG's. And to do that they have designed 4e to be "faster to play" which also happens to be simpler to implement with computer software.
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Ghendar
Warlord
10836 Posts
In the constellation of Cygnus, or Central Connecticut
| | 08/20/2007 4:08 AM |
| Posted By zenthrus on 06/15/2007 2:00 AM Posted By gss_000 on 06/14/2007 6:49 PM
Now I will say that there was some more fluff to the books than early 3.5, but now there is a lot of flavor coming with with crunch of game rules. I think they hit a great balance.
Agreed. Granted, I don't anticipate 4th edition making an appearance for at least two more years (2009). Even then, it would have to go some lengths to beat out 3.5 for being streamlined and convenient (very great lengths to convince me to re-purchase a library that I already own).
Yes, I'm responding to a post from two months ago.
Anyway, you don't have to repurchase your whole library. I'm planning on buying the PH and that's it. I have no interest in investing heavily like I did with 3E. I bought books I never used. I'll never do that again.
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Ghendar
Warlord
10836 Posts
In the constellation of Cygnus, or Central Connecticut
| | 08/20/2007 4:10 AM |
| Posted By Teflon Jeff on 08/17/2007 8:51 PM
4e is just another fix in the evolution of the game. some of ti will be better, some will need to be fixed later. If it was perfect, then 4E wouldn't be needed.
But they would release it all the same because new systems generate more sales.
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On vacation 6/29 - 7/5
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Champion of the Spider Eater with rider.
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 08/21/2007 10:57 AM |
| After coming back from GenCon and doing a little shopping here is something to consider.
For a time, they may be not worth a lot, but as they get harder to find their value will rise again. I was shocked to see 2nd ed material selling on par with some 1st ed stuff, and it wasn't even the most rare pieces either. Since there was so much more 2nd ed books, I expected them to go for a steal, but that was no where near the case. So there is some hope, you just might have to wait a bit. | |
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Ghendar
Warlord
10836 Posts
In the constellation of Cygnus, or Central Connecticut
| | 08/21/2007 11:36 AM |
| Posted By gss_000 on 08/21/2007 10:57 AM
After coming back from GenCon and doing a little shopping here is something to consider.
For a time, they may be not worth a lot, but as they get harder to find their value will rise again. I was shocked to see 2nd ed material selling on par with some 1st ed stuff, and it wasn't even the most rare pieces either. Since there was so much more 2nd ed books, I expected them to go for a steal, but that was no where near the case. So there is some hope, you just might have to wait a bit.
Possibly.
However, I found prices for OOP stuff at Gencon to be very inflated. You're better off trolling ebay.
At Gencon in both 05 and 06, I saw prices for some stuff that was just stupid high and it wasn't even the rare stuff either. Gencon may be a great place to buy from a selection standpoint, but you'd better be prepared to pay. | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
9938 Posts
United States
| | 08/21/2007 4:56 PM |
| As far as 3.5e books go, I think that you'll find a lot of material in them to be worth a lot for a while yet. When I switched over to 3e (which was immediately), I still kept all my 2e stuff nearby, and converted monsters and things on the fly. It will take a while for new monsters and lots of extras to come out. In the meantime, you can still use the 3.5e material.
As for a 4e, it's necessary, in part, I think, to fit WotC's whole digital project. They kinda have to cater to a new market of gamers. The computer-based stuff is a nod to WoW's success. If D&D doesn't evolve, it dies (at least, from the WotC sales perspective).
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
6234 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 08/22/2007 9:06 AM |
| Personally, I'm making some plans for my books.
I'm keeping the setting specific books (FR and Eberron)
I'm keeping all the adventures
I'll keep sentimental stuff (my two Leatherbound PH, DMG, and MM, my first printing 3.0 and 3.5 core sets)
I'll keep my Monster Manuals.
The rest is on a book by book basis, but expect Ebay for a lot of it. So, if you're looking for 3.5 books, let me know before the end of the year. That's about the time I'll be planning the sell-off. (and I have every 3.0 and3.5 book, so don't wonder if this is a big choice for me or not. I'd be losing a lot if this were an investment of money, instead of time.) | |
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Ghendar
Warlord
10836 Posts
In the constellation of Cygnus, or Central Connecticut
| | 08/22/2007 9:30 AM |
| | I'll probably do a similar thing Jeff. | |
On vacation 6/29 - 7/5
Leaning towards giving 4e the Digitus Impudicus
Champion of the Spider Eater with rider.
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
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IronHammer
Skirmisher
16 Posts
Kentucky
| | 08/29/2007 10:40 AM |
| Posted By Wraithborne on 06/13/2007 7:58 AM
It's all about $$. New core books sell much better than sourcebooks. Exactly, wOTC did the same thing to MTG...All about $$$$
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Dordledum
Commander
3099 Posts
Netherlands
| | 08/31/2007 12:01 AM |
| IMHO, at least most of the fluff books don't really care about editions. maybe I'm the only one, but I use FR-books like: "Lost Empires", "Faiths & Pantheons", "Shining South", and "City of Splendours", only to flesh out the background of a campaign and as resources. I still can use them for that purpose in 4th Edition.
I guess to a lesser extent, but still, the same goes for "The Ecologies" as I dub them: Draconomicon, Libris Mortis, Lords of Madness, Fiendish Codexes. Even prefab-adventures can be easily adapted by just using 4th Edition versions of the encounters.
The only stuff which realy needs to be bought are the Core books: PHB, DMG, MM (1-8 this time?).
Some of the excess material which I bought and do consider worthless for 4th E purposes are stuff like the "Complete" series, and to lesser extent the "Races of" series. But I hardly use those in 3.x anyway.
I probably be playing 3.5 for a couple of years now, because I still have a few expeditions lying about and my new RPG group just transferred from 2.678something to 3.5. But I'm not opposed to the idea of switching to 4.0 eventually.
I guess I'll get my first experiences through pcgames such as NWN, which will only be using 4.0 edition rules from next summer onwards.
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Champion of the Huge Spider (WotDQ 46/60), A New Umber Hulk (DoDe 57/60), and Hardcopy Printed DDM 2.0 Stat-Cards for all Minis! | |
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Choco Monster
Ghendar
Warlord
10836 Posts
In the constellation of Cygnus, or Central Connecticut
| | 08/31/2007 4:38 AM |
| I still don't think it's time for 4E. Not that what I think matters one iota to them. If it did then I would still have Dragon & Dungeon as print mags. I honestly hope that sales of 4E are low enough that WotC takes a step back and realizes that they did this too soon and maybe, just maybe it will temper their judgment when they are thinking about 5.0
I have no desire to see WotC fail. I just don't agree that it's time for 4E. | |
On vacation 6/29 - 7/5
Leaning towards giving 4e the Digitus Impudicus
Champion of the Spider Eater with rider.
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
How many times in life do you get to eat your own Ctulhu? - Posted By Pedro on 03/31/2008 2:29 | |
| Master of the
Awesome Sauce
Teflon Jeff
Warlord
6234 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 08/31/2007 5:13 PM |
| I've kept the "ecologies" books, and the Terrain books (sandstorm, frostfell, etc.)
I also kept the races books, for their in-depth chapters.
The complete's are on the trading block, what ones I have left. | |
Official Delegate, Wizards of the Coast
Against The Giants Called Shot: Huge Green Dragon
Icons Called Shot: Gargantuan Prismatic Dragon
"Rejoice, for bad things are about to happen." | |
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