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Ambershanks
Skirmisher
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 | | 08/17/2007 2:49 AM |
| Has WotC lost its mind, or just totally succumed to Hasboro?
I just listened to the two video's here:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=welcome/conventions/gencon07
Could these two guys sound any less excited? Seriously, this video sounds *exactly* like the propoganda videos they spoon feed us at Petco....
I'm really bothered by the though of "More Defined rolls," I like having a party with two Fighters, and them not being clone copies of eachother. Also, this idea of "Now you will fight multiple monsters, and your terrain will be as much of a part of the battle." Um....riiiight. I just started DMing a few months ago. *I* have my players fight multiple monsters while interacting with their setting....
*headdesk*
I don't like this idea. I don't like the digital aspect of this being crammed down my throat. I don't play D&D online. I go to people's houses, to drink beer and soda, get fat on munchies, tell fart jokes and play D&D. I like interacting with my fellow geeks! If I want to play online, I'll get on my MMORPG.
I do not want to pay extra to read the whole damned book. If I'm paying $20-$40 a book, I sure as heck had better get the whole damned thing. I will not micro pay to get more information. This is not Halo, and I don't own a PS3.
I am not bringing my laptop to the D&D game. I have enough trouble with my notes, my books, battle map and minis. Thats more than enough.
This is just too much. These videos and intervies, the act like 3.5 is sooooooo hard to play and DM. Give me a break. Sure, there is some stuff thats a little confusing, and we still have to crack open the rules books, but for the love of all things Holy, stop acting like its pulling teeth. Its not *that* hard.
Anyways...now that I have that off my chest....I'm gonna go complain some more to my husband and get some sleep.
-Amber
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Ghendar
Warlord
10885 Posts
In the constellation of Cygnus, or Central Connecticut
| | 08/17/2007 4:08 AM |
| | The whole idea of everyone sitting around a table all with their own notebook pcs just makes me want to vomit. But hey, to each his own. | |
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hazel monday
Warrior
338 Posts
Baltimore MD
| | 08/17/2007 4:41 AM |
| Posted By Ghendar on 08/17/2007 4:08 AM
The whole idea of everyone sitting around a table all with their own notebook pcs just makes me want to vomit. But hey, to each his own.
Too true. I'm not necesarily opposed to the idea of a new edition. But if I need a computer to run it, there's no way in hell. | |
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Wraithborne
Commander
3440 Posts
West Virginia
| | 08/17/2007 6:46 AM |
| Wow, I didn't think I could be any less interested. You'd think people who designed RPGs for a living and claim to play them could do a better job of reading from a card. Some random thought: I didn't like Tome of Battle...The art looks awful.....3e is not hard to play or Dm....I run it off the top of my head all the time. I'm sure others do as well. There's no reason to know the Craft(basketweaving) score for Julio the Assassin. It's quite easy to just flesh out only what you need when you need it using common sense. I don't need D&D for Dummies and I'm not dragging my laptop with me to play and praying that the guy upstairs hasn't secured his network so I can pirate it just to be able to access the rest of a book I already paid for.
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Kaya Kenobi
Underboss
1304 Posts
San Jose, California
| | 08/17/2007 7:23 AM |
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portermj
Warrior
318 Posts
| | 08/17/2007 7:54 AM |
| Posted By Ambershanks on 08/17/2007 2:49 AM
I do not want to pay extra to read the whole damned book. If I'm paying $20-$40 a book, I sure as heck had better get the whole damned thing. I will not micro pay to get more information. This is not Halo, and I don't own a PS3.
-Amber
But you can't get everything into a book. A book has a limited size and therefore needs to be edited for space as well as content. Having content online just creates more possibilities.
I think people are overreacting. You won't need a computer to play 4e any more than you needed DDM to play 3.5.
It isn't like they are going to say put Red, Blue, Black and White dragons in the 4e Monster Manual but put the Green Dragon in the DI. What they are going to do is put the info you expect on Dragons in the manual but add information about dragons that didn't make the manual do to space considerations in the DI. It will also populate your DI with data sets that allow you to make dragons on line.
Frankly the whole, "you have to play DnD at a table" meme is pretty elitist and outdated for that matter. There already are people that play DnD over the internet. Why should they not have their wants addressed just so that people that don't use the DI won't feel like there is something they are missing out on? Â
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nyjastul69
Commander
2710 Posts
Rhode Island
| | 08/17/2007 8:31 AM |
| Posted By portermj on 08/17/2007 7:54 AM Posted By Ambershanks on 08/17/2007 2:49 AM
I do not want to pay extra to read the whole damned book. If I'm paying $20-$40 a book, I sure as heck had better get the whole damned thing. I will not micro pay to get more information. This is not Halo, and I don't own a PS3.
-Amber
But you can't get everything into a book. A book has a limited size and therefore needs to be edited for space as well as content. Having content online just creates more possibilities. I think people are overreacting. You won't need a computer to play 4e any more than you needed DDM to play 3.5. It isn't like they are going to say put Red, Blue, Black and White dragons in the 4e Monster Manual but put the Green Dragon in the DI. What they are going to do is put the info you expect on Dragons in the manual but add information about dragons that didn't make the manual do to space considerations in the DI. It will also populate your DI with data sets that allow you to make dragons on line. Frankly the whole, "you have to play DnD at a table" meme is pretty elitist and outdated for that matter. There already are people that play DnD over the internet. Why should they not have their wants addressed just so that people that don't use the DI won't feel like there is something they are missing out on? Â
If I spend $30-40 for a book everything associated with that book should be in the book.  Whether I want to use an on line resource is irrelevant (I don't). If I buy a book from Wizards I shouldn't have to own a computer (I don't) to fully utilize the associated resources. They've pretty much lost my business.  WotC has decided to market to a different demographic than I'm a part of. I wish them the best. Between OD&D, Basic/Expert, 1st-2nd AD&D, 3.0 and 3.5 I've got plenty of material without having to be pushed into an on-line format.  | |
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thomast22
Skirmisher
7 Posts
New Jersey
| | 08/17/2007 8:35 AM |
| | I love my computer for preparing for a game. Having a computer (or DM screen for that matter) between me and my players disconnects me from them and the game. | |
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kestrel.ca
Underboss
1672 Posts
| | 08/17/2007 8:49 AM |
| Posted By Ambershanks on 08/17/2007 2:49 AM
I'm really bothered by the though of "More Defined rolls," I like having a party with two Fighters, and them not being clone copies of eachother. Also, this idea of "Now you will fight multiple monsters, and your terrain will be as much of a part of the battle." Um....riiiight. I just started DMing a few months ago. *I* have my players fight multiple monsters while interacting with their setting....
*headdesk*
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I am not bringing my laptop to the D&D game. I have enough trouble with my notes, my books, battle map and minis. Thats more than enough.
This is just too much. These videos and intervies, the act like 3.5 is sooooooo hard to play and DM. Give me a break. Sure, there is some stuff thats a little confusing, and we still have to crack open the rules books, but for the love of all things Holy, stop acting like its pulling teeth. Its not *that* hard.
I agree with the above points too. Weird combinations of PCs make for better role playing. One of my favourite short adventures recently had a party of just 2 clerics. It was a blast as they tried to cover all the different roles, usually simultaneously.
Posted By Portermj
But you can't get everything into a book. A book has a limited size and therefore needs to be edited for space as well as content. Having content online just creates more possibilities. And I agree with this. From what I've seen so far, the online content will be more along the lines of what the creaters were thinking about when they created the monster (like the articles they currently post on the WotC website) or maybe a little more about the lifestyle & ecology (like "Ecology of" articles in Dragon). Yes, they could put all this information into each book, and then the price would significantly more than they are now, and the whining and outrage about all that extra "useless" crap they've added in would be deafening.
From what I've seen, I think 4e will be better in many ways than 3.5. BUT, I don't think it will be better enough to warrant abandoning the significant library of 3.5 material to migrate to the new system. I have a consistent, stable, local playing group (and a few others for occasional sessions). I don't plan on playing online. I don't plan on bringing a computer to the game. I'm happy with 3.5. So, 4e doesn't yet give me enough to convince me to change. | |
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Ghendar
Warlord
10885 Posts
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| | 08/17/2007 8:50 AM |
| Posted By nyjastul69 on 08/17/2007 8:31 AM
WotC has decided to market to a different demographic than I'm a part of. Â
That's the unfortunate and regrettable truth.
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Ambershanks
Skirmisher
17 Posts
| | 08/17/2007 9:30 AM |
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But you can't get everything into a book. A book has a limited size and therefore needs to be edited for space as well as content. Having content online just creates more possibilities.
I think people are overreacting. You won't need a computer to play 4e any more than you needed DDM to play 3.5.
It isn't like they are going to say put Red, Blue, Black and White dragons in the 4e Monster Manual but put the Green Dragon in the DI. What they are going to do is put the info you expect on Dragons in the manual but add information about dragons that didn't make the manual do to space considerations in the DI. It will also populate your DI with data sets that allow you to make dragons on line.
Frankly the whole, "you have to play DnD at a table" meme is pretty elitist and outdated for that matter. There already are people that play DnD over the internet. Why should they not have their wants addressed just so that people that don't use the DI won't feel like there is something they are missing out on? Â
Now, I agree with most of what you said. Books do have a limited size, opposed to the pretty much unlimited space that is the net. However, my issue, is that after spending $20-$40 on a book, I personally belive that I'm entitiled to *everything* about that book. I do not belive its fair that I have to pay a "Nominial fee" to access more content unlocked by a code on the inside cover of my book. The extra stuff nd errata from past books was free, I see no reason to play this.
I'm not trying to be elitist with my view of "You have to play D&D at a table..." But I certainly don't belive its outdated. if they feel that more D&D players are moving to an online outlet, fine, support that demographic. But I want WotC to stop pretending we've all moved that route so they can toute their new products and ideas. Quite a few of the articles and voideos I've watched make me feel like they are telling me I'm the only one left to play on the table top and everyone else has gone to cyberdungeons....
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zenthrus
Commander
4680 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 08/17/2007 11:24 AM |
| Hmmm...D&D becomes MMO.
I'll pass on the greater incorporation of digital content into gaming. I dislike MMOs. I dislike reading electronic texts. Now I'm starting to sound like a Luddite  | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
5590 Posts
| | 08/17/2007 12:21 PM |
| You are a luddite, now get off the computer! | |
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portermj
Warrior
318 Posts
| | 08/17/2007 12:33 PM |
| Posted By zenthrus on 08/17/2007 11:24 AM Hmmm...D&D becomes MMO. I'll pass on the greater incorporation of digital content into gaming. I dislike MMOs. I dislike reading electronic texts. Now I'm starting to sound like a Luddite
As a MMO player (WoW, EQ, SWQ, and CoH) 4ed is not like MMOGs I have seen. If anything, if it works as advertised then it may be the first real mass market Massively Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Game.
Some of the things that would make it different (and for someone that likes RPGs, better):
Not having to share a world with people you don't like
No Gold Farmers, Griefers
Dynamic Content, you likely won't be stuff wiping and then farming the same boss over and over for that one piece of gear (Alar I buy coming back every week, but who keeps putting VoidReaver back together every Tuesday?).
A human being, not an AI, running the encounter
Seeing the nominal fee for the codes is kind of a bummer. I guess for me it will depend on what I am getting for the fee and what their definition of "nominal" is. If they adopt the MTGO price structure I'm out.
One way to look at the fee is that it is a user fee for people that actually use the material. This avoids passing the cost of online material to people that just buy the book with no plans to access the online content. It also keeps people who use the DI but don't purchase the book from having to supplement online content for those players that do get the book. It seems like there are cases for and against. Personally, if I am getting on board with 4e and the DI, I would prefer WoTC throw in the book specific online content with the purchase price just as a reward for loyalty.Â
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BoloBaby
Sergeant
640 Posts
Fort Mill, SC
| | 08/17/2007 2:48 PM |
| "This is just too much. These videos and intervies, the act like 3.5 is sooooooo hard to play and DM. Give me a break."
Hey WotC - if 3.5 is so broken, why do you keep pushing new 3.5 sourcebooks on us every month? I guess I should stop buying those, too, since they are obviously horrible in every way.
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Wraithborne
Commander
3440 Posts
West Virginia
| | 08/17/2007 3:02 PM |
| Posted By greyhaze on 08/17/2007 12:21 PM You are a luddite, now get off the computer!
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warty_nosed_goblin
Underboss
1384 Posts
| | 08/17/2007 3:41 PM |
| Personally I don't actually have a library of v3.5 books, so I have no vested interest in any Edition of D&D beyond the move to 4E's effect on the miniatures game (which I'm not really thrilled about). That said, I have tried to DM 3.5, and as somebody with no prior experience with any edition or as a player (in other words, a complete n00b) I found it quite difficult- not by any means undoable, but telling your friends (also complete n00bs) that you wanna sit down and play a fun game with them, then basically trying to explain the entire PHB (or at least enough of it to play) is far from simple. I realize that if I had been playing for years through various editions this would be quite different, but I haven't, and D&D v3.5 is pretty complex as games go. If 4E streamlines this to some degree, I will be quite happy.
As to the whole Digital Initiative thing, I haven't watched any of the preview videos because my internet is far far to slow for streaming video, but personally I agree with kestrel.ca that adding some digital content for those who want it really doesn't harm anybody who doesn't go for the DI stuff. As for the ability to play D&D over the internet with other people, I would love to be able to do this easily, since I'm pretty much the only person in my town who is interested in D&D, so I don't really get to play. Once again, I don't see how this ability being provided hurts people who want to play on a table top face to face with friends- which would be my prefered way of playing as well.
I'm not jumping up and down in anticipation over 4E or anything, and am sitll pretty pissed about what the move is doing to the skirmish game, but I plan to keep an eye on information as it becomes available and make up my mind based on an understanding of what 4E offers, rather than simply choosing not to try it because I don't like the very idea of 4E existing.
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| | 08/17/2007 8:10 PM |
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
6567 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 08/17/2007 8:28 PM |
| The problem I'm seeing is people assuming that 4E requires a computer.
It doesn't. They are adding more possibilities. They are giving you more options. Like DDM, you don't have to have it, and if you don't want to use them, don't. But some people, a lot of people, like using them. And a lot of those same people were skeptical at first. How many people didn't buy Harbinger out of skepticism? How many of those same people jumped in during Deathknell or Angelfire? I'm treating this like Unearthed Arcana. there are a lot of new options, I don't have to use any of them, but I'm keeping a checklist, and I''ll try everything once, just to see if it helps.
The one comment that got me was the unlocked DI. I love having the paper book, but if I pay $30 for a book, and I get $30 worth out of that book. I'm happy. But then, I find I can get more out of it that couldn't be fit in there without raising the price? Sounds like free stuff to me...
Plus, I get a digital copy of the book (again, free) for my perusement, and more importantly easier searchability? Cherry on top, to me.
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Sean-Khan
Commander
2700 Posts
| | 08/18/2007 2:08 AM |
| I actually did need a laptop to run my last epic character.
But I'll have to say that a computer can be a powerful tool. Books don't have 'find' -option and indexes don't always help... I rarely use computer during the game, though.
Interacting with environment? Sounds like Condition zones of Iron Heroes.
I've been reading SW Saga I bought a week a go, and I like a lot about what I see there. Presumable there's lots of similaritiesn to 4E - I read somewhere that spell resources are per-encounter basis rather than per day -basis. I just wonder how utility spells are handled. Personally, I really don't cry if Iterative attacks will be gone.
Few things about Saga, if you don't know - there's only 5 classes, which all have access to several talent trees. They get bonus feat every other level, talent every other. This mechanic could even be used to handle prestige classes! But, there's still prestige classes in SE. There's only 1 attack, or 2 or 3 at -5 if you take a feat for those. Skills, saves and other things are simplified, all conditions are handled by condition track that gives you penalties if it goes down and makes you unconscious if it goes down enough. Bad hits and special abilities affect the track. Starting characters have 18-30+con hp, and damage gets bonus of 1/2 character level.
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10106 Posts
United States
| | 08/18/2007 3:23 AM |
| Here's what I think will happen. I think that the books will be just fine, except for the errata.
Seriously though, I expect I'll get the new core books, and figure out the changes (which will probably be substantial, and not just 3.75). And, I'll modify my campaign (which I've been running since '87 and the tail end of 1e anyway), and it'll be fine. We don't sit around with laptops now, I don't DM with one, and I'm not going to change that.
I don't have time to make cool dungeons and put them online, and run my friends through them. It's true, I have friends all over the US who would probably get together to do voice-chat and gaming with me, but my prep time is already tapped out.
But, if there's a key code in each book I buy, and if that unlocks online content, and if that online content doesn't suck, then that's going to be good for me. I already do 90% of all my character creation and monster creation on the computer. If there is a central way of cranking these things out, I'm going to be pleased. My fear is that the output will be proprietary, will suck down the printer ink, and will leave me stranded. If I can't cut and paste the PCs and NPCs and monsters into Word, I'm probably not going to get much use out of their product.
That's one of my big fears. I don't want some crappy editor that it's compatible with other products. I want to be able to export to Word, Excel, PDF, whatever. Heck, even formatted txt would be fine.
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Ghendar
Warlord
10885 Posts
In the constellation of Cygnus, or Central Connecticut
| | 08/18/2007 7:06 AM |
| | I don't have an issue with using a computer to generate characters or type up adventures, I just have no use for laptops at the gaming table when the game is going on. | |
No Hazel, no peace
Champion of the Spider Eater with rider.
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
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Wraithborne
Commander
3440 Posts
West Virginia
| | 08/18/2007 7:09 AM |
| Posted By Teflon Jeff on 08/17/2007 8:28 PM
The one comment that got me was the unlocked DI. I love having the paper book, but if I pay $30 for a book, and I get $30 worth out of that book. I'm happy. But then, I find I can get more out of it that couldn't be fit in there without raising the price? Sounds like free stuff to me...
Emphasis mine....it has been stated several times that there will be a "nominal" fee separate from the DI subscription to unlock the content codes in books. Could that be wrong? Sure, but so could anything at this point.
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Ambershanks
Skirmisher
17 Posts
| | 08/18/2007 11:58 AM |
| Posted By Wraithborne on 08/18/2007 7:09 AM Posted By Teflon Jeff on 08/17/2007 8:28 PM
The one comment that got me was the unlocked DI. I love having the paper book, but if I pay $30 for a book, and I get $30 worth out of that book. I'm happy. But then, I find I can get more out of it that couldn't be fit in there without raising the price? Sounds like free stuff to me...
Emphasis mine....it has been stated several times that there will be a "nominal" fee separate from the DI subscription to unlock the content codes in books. Could that be wrong? Sure, but so could anything at this point.
The thing is...I don't want to pay this gorram "nominal fee" to unlock stuff that had to be cut from the book. In pretty much every RPG I've ever played, including WotC, errata, online content and web enhancements have alway been free. i just cannot help but feel that WotC has suddnly become money grabbing and trying to squeeze every last drop of change out of their gamers with this idea. Oh well.
I guess I shouldn't complain too much. I have thousands of dollars of 3.5 books, a very good gaming group and no desire to start over...I didn't when OWod went to NWod and invaladated all of the money I spent on their products, and I wont do it for WotC either.
moreover, I'm mas as hell that they would charge for a preview supplement. Seriously, I dont' pay money to watch cocacola adds either.
*grumbles and mutters, goes off with a 6-pack of beer to share with the 2e players...* I'm joining the ranks boys!
-Amber
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portermj
Warrior
318 Posts
| | 08/18/2007 12:47 PM |
| Posted By Ambershanks on 08/18/2007 11:58 AM Posted By Wraithborne on 08/18/2007 7:09 AM
The thing is...I don't want to pay this gorram "nominal fee" to unlock stuff that had to be cut from the book. In pretty much every RPG I've ever played, including WotC, errata, online content and web enhancements have alway been free. i just cannot help but feel that WotC has suddnly become money grabbing and trying to squeeze every last drop of change out of their gamers with this idea. Oh well.
You're assuming that the online content will be equivelent to what we get now. It could be a great value but we don't know yet what the fee or content will be. If, from reviews, you don't think the content is worth the fee then don't pay it. WoTC can't literary force you to buy stuff. If they can, then your problem is probably more along the lines of a serious case of OCD than anything have to do with 4th Edition. | |
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 08/20/2007 3:20 PM |
| | As far as I can tell, the online content is nothing new, they are tools that people are using now. Nothing is going to force you to use them, but they are putting it in so you can use it if you want. Details on exactly how it is going to work are still hazy, so let's not assume we're going to have to sell our next child to have to get the new resources. | |
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zenthrus
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SLC, UT
| | 08/20/2007 4:11 PM |
| Posted By portermj on 08/18/2007 12:47 PM
we don't know yet what the fee or content will be.
According to an interview article the D&D Initiative (which includes virtually all of the online content previewed thus far) fee is "more than a cup of coffee, less than an MMO."
That would put it somewhere between $5-$10/month.
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Teflon Jeff
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6567 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 08/20/2007 6:41 PM |
| Well, Guild Wars is an MMO
Yeah, I'd bet $10 per month, maybe with a $5 per month option without either of the magazine (Dragon or Dungeon) content | |
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