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cyderakk
Warrior
301 Posts
    
 | | 08/18/2007 10:51 PM |
| I read that only the 3 sets previous to 4th Editions release will have conversion cards readily available for download or print.
BRAVO Wizards for effectively CHEESING OFF your customer base by making all the thousands and thousands of D&D
minis we own, useless paperweights.
Anything for a buck. There are some good points to having Hasbro, a huge toy company, owning the rights to D&D. One being the fact that they have tons of connections across the pond to make it possible to put out a Miniatures game. But 4th edition is a HUGE reason why it sucks that they own the rights. I think i speak for all the 3.5 edition players when I say, I JUST BOUGHT A TON OF YOUR FREAKIN BOOKS AND NOW YOUR GONNA STOP SUPPORTING THAT SYSTEM AND MAKE ME BUY NEW BOOKS?????
                                                     S C R E W             Y O U   !!!!!!!!!
I mean,  you could have waited a couple more years to let me enjoy the books I have now. 7 FREAKIN years 3rd edition lasted and you already want to filch us out of a crapload of money again and the only excuse you FLAMING TURDS can give us is that you "learned alot from 3rd edition to make 4th edition better." Thanks for using us as lab rats to test your system out, because that little test of yours cost me a buttload of money.Â
I guess as players we have no choice but to dance their monkey dance for rotten little banana's. If thats the case I just have one last thing to say.  THIS HAD BETTER BE THE LAST FREAKIN TIME YOU GUYS PULL THIS RADICAL CHANGING OF OUR BELOVED D&D SYSTEM BECAUSE THIS IS JUST GETTING STINKIN REDICULOUS. JAKE HOLES!!!!!
LATER. | |
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Star
Sergeant
978 Posts
New Britain, CT
| | 08/19/2007 12:17 AM |
| | Don't sugar-coat it cyderakk - tell us how you really feel. | |
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portermj
Warrior
309 Posts
| | 08/19/2007 1:33 AM |
| I seriously can't tell if the people that are making such hostile posts are being ignorant or insincere. You bought a game that proclaimed it was the 3.5 edition. Did you really believe that was the end of it? If you aren't interested in 4ed don't buy it, WOTC can't make you do anything. There are people that play 1st Ed and people that play 2nd Ed. One big advantage 3rd Edition fans have is the OGL. Even if WOTC isn't putting out any more support, if there is a market third party publishers will have it covered. I could think of worse stewards of third edition than guys like Monte Cook. I just don't get the train of thought with people that are 3rd/3.5 edition fans. Let's see, 3rd Edition was an evolutionary leap forward in game mechanics from second edition. 3.5 was a great refinement of 3rd that was very backwards compatable. How is 4th edition not being given the benefit of the doubt from 3rd edition fans?  | |
Do you like games John?
Absolutely! | |
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warty_nosed_goblin
Underboss
1384 Posts
| | 08/19/2007 7:50 AM |
| Yeah, really. I am a little cheesed off that most of my miniatures are now obsolete, but nobody's making me stop using them, and honestly the rules are growing so bizzare that a fresh start might just be a good thing (bodyguard anybody?). Same thing with the books, sure its gonna be harder to find 3.5 players if that's your thing, but come on, its not like a new edition does anything to invalidate any of the enjoyment you've had with 3.5, or do anything to stop you using it- there's so much material out there that you could easily play for years and years without running low.
Personally I'm gonna wait and see with 4th Ed., I'm not going to go for it just 'cause its the newest thing, but deciding not to use a possibly better and more enjoyable product simply because I've got a knot in my shorts because the company decided to make a new product. I'll do my best to evaluate the product when I see it. | |
Call me: W.N. Gobo!
originally posted by grim:
While he is clearly insane, he does have a point. | |
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
6234 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 08/19/2007 9:31 AM |
| Okay, every mini you own is compatible with 4E. You know why? The same reason you could use a pewter mini if you wanted. No one can stop you. No one will break down your door and make you put the minis away. So, don't put Mini's negativity on 4E. There's no compatability issue there.
Now, if you want to be cheesed by the new Minis 2.0 game, go ahead. I'm cheesed about that too. | |
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Wraithborne
Commander
3427 Posts
West Virginia
| | 08/19/2007 9:39 AM |
| Posted By portermj on 08/19/2007 1:33 AMÂ
How is 4th edition not being given the benefit of the doubt from 3rd edition fans?
I can't speak for anybody else, but for me, it's all about need. 3e was badly needed. 2e had become this giant amalgam of contradictory rules and I was more than ready for a change. I had already house-ruled 2e into something that was very different that played better for us, but was still far from ideal. When 3e came along, I needed the change. It breathed a new life into my game and gave everyone a much needed extra helping of enthusiasm.
With 3.5, the only reason I rebought the core rulebooks is because I got them at Goodwill for $1 each, along with Complete Warrior. I still think 3.5 was a sham and nothing more than a way to squeeze some extra bucks outta people and I still have bitter feelings about it.
4e is getting zero benefit of the doubt from me for several reasons.
First, I see it as totally unnecessary. I have no need for new rules no matter how much they are streamlined, dumbed down, or Roxorz teh Big 1!!!111!!one11!!
Second, I don't like being lied to and they've been lying to us for over 3 years about 4e. I should note that I do not think that they should've told us when work began, but that they shouldn't have bent over backwards at every chance to tell us they weren't even considering 4e, much less working on it. This is the main source of most of the anger in my posts about 4e.
They're bundling the previews and selling them as books. That's just sad.
And to top it off, I haven't heard one thing yet about 4e that didn't elicit an Ugh...why? reaction. | |
Hey Woman, Hey Woman!! Listen here. Since your ol' man ain't got no heart, maybe you'd like to see a real man. I bet you stay up late every night dreamin' you had a real man, don't ya'? I tell you what, bring your pretty little self over to my apartment tonight and I'll show you a real man!
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Wraithborne
Commander
3427 Posts
West Virginia
| | 08/19/2007 9:44 AM |
| Posted By Teflon Jeff on 08/19/2007 9:31 AM Okay, every mini you own is compatible with 4E. You know why? The same reason you could use a pewter mini if you wanted. No one can stop you. No one will break down your door and make you put the minis away. So, don't put Mini's negativity on 4E. There's no compatability issue there.
Now, if you want to be cheesed by the new Minis 2.0 game, go ahead. I'm cheesed about that too.
I agree that there isn't really a compatibility issue, but at the same time, I think that their knowing that many people like their minis to look like the pics in the books led them to changing the look of monsters in the hopes of getting them to chase minis that they otherwise wouldn't need. | |
Hey Woman, Hey Woman!! Listen here. Since your ol' man ain't got no heart, maybe you'd like to see a real man. I bet you stay up late every night dreamin' you had a real man, don't ya'? I tell you what, bring your pretty little self over to my apartment tonight and I'll show you a real man!
Ghouls: 1 Player Characters: 0 | |
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
6234 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 08/19/2007 12:56 PM |
| No, I don't think that's it at all. The Green Dragon I saw in the clip didn't have the exat same sculpt as the DDM one, but it looked very close to the same. Same head, same body, different pose is all.
And again, I personally haven't seen anything where they said "no 4E anytime soon" or the like. But, that's just me. I don't see any lies on Wizards part about 4E. | |
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PaSquall
Underboss
1384 Posts
| | 08/19/2007 2:12 PM |
| Posted By cyderakk on 08/18/2007 10:51 PM
 THIS HAD BETTER BE THE LAST FREAKIN TIME YOU GUYS PULL THIS RADICAL CHANGING OF OUR BELOVED D&D SYSTEM BECAUSE THIS IS JUST GETTING STINKIN REDICULOUS. JAKE HOLES!!!!!
5th edition for 2017 or 2018...
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(Unhappy) vindicated champion of the DRYAD
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BoloBaby
Sergeant
640 Posts
Fort Mill, SC
| | 08/19/2007 4:18 PM |
| Posted By cyderakk on 08/18/2007 10:51 PM
THIS HAD BETTER BE THE LAST FREAKIN TIME YOU GUYS PULL THIS RADICAL CHANGING OF OUR BELOVED D&D SYSTEM BECAUSE THIS IS JUST GETTING STINKIN REDICULOUS. JAKE HOLES!!!!!
Just FYI - I didn't buy a single 2nd edition rulebook. I didn't even (really) buy Dragon during second edition.
That's probably going to be the way I approach 4e. Skip it.
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zenthrus
Commander
4592 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 08/19/2007 4:54 PM |
| | Just a reminder that while it's fine to vent, remember to avoid explitives while doing so. Personal attacks (whether against individuals or against WotC) are not proper board conduct on these forums. | |
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Ghendar
Warlord
10838 Posts
In the constellation of Cygnus, or Central Connecticut
| | 08/19/2007 5:21 PM |
| Posted By Wraithborne on 08/19/2007 9:44 AM
I agree that there isn't really a compatibility issue, but at the same time, I think that their knowing that many people like their minis to look like the pics in the books led them to changing the look of monsters in the hopes of getting them to chase minis that they otherwise wouldn't need.
I really hope this is true because if it is then I'll be able to scoop up scads of Harbinger minis cheap. (I don't really expect this to happen though.)
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Leaning towards giving 4e the Digitus Impudicus
Champion of the Spider Eater with rider.
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
How many times in life do you get to eat your own Ctulhu? - Posted By Pedro on 03/31/2008 2:29 | |
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
6234 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 08/19/2007 7:06 PM |
| Posted By Ghendar on 08/19/2007 5:21 PM Posted By Wraithborne on 08/19/2007 9:44 AM
I agree that there isn't really a compatibility issue, but at the same time, I think that their knowing that many people like their minis to look like the pics in the books led them to changing the look of monsters in the hopes of getting them to chase minis that they otherwise wouldn't need. I really hope this is true because if it is then I'll be able to scoop up scads of Harbinger minis cheap. (I don't really expect this to happen though.)
Yeah, it'd be nice, but it won't happen...
LSD, $5!! I wish!! | |
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Against The Giants Called Shot: Huge Green Dragon
Icons Called Shot: Gargantuan Prismatic Dragon
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Lab Monkey
Commander
4131 Posts
| | 08/19/2007 7:52 PM |
| Posted By Teflon Jeff on 08/19/2007 12:56 PM
 And again, I personally haven't seen anything where they said "no 4E anytime soon" or the like. But, that's just me. I don't see any lies on Wizards part about 4E.
Feb 19, 2007:
"I'm surprised it took this long
for someone to ask that. It's going to come at some point. It's a long
ways away. You'll get an announcement when that happens, but it's a
long ways away. We have a lot of good stuff coming out through 2008."
Found here:
http://www.enworld.org/index.php?page=4e
That's what has me a little cheesed off. It's pretty darn misleading given that they were working on 4e since 2005.Â
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cyderakk
Warrior
301 Posts
| | 08/19/2007 8:39 PM |
| Lab monkey's got it right.Â
Who's going to want to buy any 3rd edition products now knowing that 4th edition is just going to make 3rd edition material glorified butt-wipe. And then they TEASE us by announcing 4th edition now and releasing it next MAY!!!
So, for the next 4 months we get to "GUESS" what 4th is going to do to discount 3rd edition until the "introduction" books to 4th edition come out in december and January. And then you STILL can't even play it until may 2008. And thats just the Players Handbook. The monster manual is out in June and the DM Guide comes out in July. Nice eh. You'll get plenty of use out of that edge of your seat for the next 9 months.
And I would like to re-iterate. This thread is just a rant. I'm not a violent person, MUCH!!!.         hehehe. Â
I'm just THOROUGHLY ANNOYED!!! | |
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MuscledDestroyer
Sergeant
435 Posts
Prospect Park, Pa
| | 08/19/2007 9:57 PM |
| | You have a right to be angry. I'm angry. The only reason I have 3.5 at all is that I stopped playing the last time we got sold out and they started making those horrible monstrous manuals and kits. I got out of D&D and I picked it up again about 2 years ago. If it was what I ran from I wouldn't have returned. I've said it before they need another world . These last books they've made sit on the shelves. They are bad and not needed. This is irrational greed. A substitute for creativity. This is like buying the same thing again. Why do I need another set of books or Gleemax. So I can have Fighter, Wizard, Sorceror etc. with different pictures next to them? So the feats can work a little different? Buy a $45.00 book with a different style version of a beholder? If I can still skirmish with what I feel is an acceptable amount of old minis I'll keep playing that. If not I'll buy 3.5 books i've wanted on sale and me and my friends will just play that. They'll get some money that way but I'm not addicted to this. I'm not stupid . I play because I enjoy it and I dont need wizards seal of approval to play . I wish they could have printed a rules update or a modern mass combat system. I would have bought those 2 for $80.00 and been happy. Dragon this and Dragon spawn and dragonkin and Dragonwrought real origional. I'm not happy. | |
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PaSquall
Underboss
1384 Posts
| | 08/20/2007 2:29 AM |
| Posted By Ghendar on 08/19/2007 5:21 PM Posted By Wraithborne on 08/19/2007 9:44 AM
I agree that there isn't really a compatibility issue, but at the same time, I think that their knowing that many people like their minis to look like the pics in the books led them to changing the look of monsters in the hopes of getting them to chase minis that they otherwise wouldn't need. I really hope this is true because if it is then I'll be able to scoop up scads of Harbinger minis cheap. (I don't really expect this to happen though.)
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Vindicated Champion of the PSEUDODRAGON
(Unhappy) vindicated champion of the DRYAD
Against the giants called shot : huge cloud giant female
Demonweb called shot : ghost | |
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PaSquall
Underboss
1384 Posts
| | 08/20/2007 2:33 AM |
| Posted By Teflon Jeff on 08/19/2007 7:06 PM Posted By Ghendar on 08/19/2007 5:21 PM Posted By Wraithborne on 08/19/2007 9:44 AM
I agree that there isn't really a compatibility issue, but at the same time, I think that their knowing that many people like their minis to look like the pics in the books led them to changing the look of monsters in the hopes of getting them to chase minis that they otherwise wouldn't need. I really hope this is true because if it is then I'll be able to scoop up scads of Harbinger minis cheap. (I don't really expect this to happen though.) Yeah, it'd be nice, but it won't happen... LSD, $5!! I wish!! Of course we won't find it for 5$. But since it was mainly useful for the skirmishers (a good dragon is less useful for RPGers), it may seriously drop in price IF it is not updated for DDM 2.0. Not that I care that much since I already have one and I don't really need another. | |
Vindicated Champion of the PSEUDODRAGON
(Unhappy) vindicated champion of the DRYAD
Against the giants called shot : huge cloud giant female
Demonweb called shot : ghost | |
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PaSquall
Underboss
1384 Posts
| | 08/20/2007 2:39 AM |
| Posted By Lab Monkey on 08/19/2007 7:52 PM Posted By Teflon Jeff on 08/19/2007 12:56 PM
 And again, I personally haven't seen anything where they said "no 4E anytime soon" or the like. But, that's just me. I don't see any lies on Wizards part about 4E. Feb 19, 2007: "I'm surprised it took this long
for someone to ask that. It's going to come at some point. It's a long
ways away. You'll get an announcement when that happens, but it's a
long ways away. We have a lot of good stuff coming out through 2008."Found here: http://www.enworld.org/index.php?page=4e That's what has me a little cheesed off. It's pretty darn misleading given that they were working on 4e since 2005.Â
Actually it's even worse :
Set the wayback machine to May of 2004! Even at that point, we knew 4th Edition was coming, though official work on it wouldn’t start for another year.
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/drdd/20070816a
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Vindicated Champion of the PSEUDODRAGON
(Unhappy) vindicated champion of the DRYAD
Against the giants called shot : huge cloud giant female
Demonweb called shot : ghost | |
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warty_nosed_goblin
Underboss
1384 Posts
| | 08/20/2007 7:45 AM |
| Posted By cyderakk on 08/19/2007 8:39 PM
Lab monkey's got it right.Â
Who's going to want to buy any 3rd edition products now knowing that 4th edition is just going to make 3rd edition material glorified butt-wipe. And then they TEASE us by announcing 4th edition now and releasing it next MAY!!!
...
Now this I really fail to understand- how does the fact that Wizards is coming out with a new edition do anything to invalidate 3.5? Sure it is no longer specifically supported, but this does nothing to stop you from playing it. And instead of announcing 4th Ed. now, would you rather walk into your gaming store one day in May and see a large display with 4th Edition writtin on it without any warning at all?
Honestly, I can understand being disinterested in 4th Edition, or deciding that it is not worth the money, but I just can't wrap my head around angry. I was angry with the Minis 2.0 thing for a while before I realized that it might do the game a lot of good, and if not I was free to keep playing Minis 1.0. Now I'm just cautiously optimistic. | |
Call me: W.N. Gobo!
originally posted by grim:
While he is clearly insane, he does have a point. | |
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Choco Monster
Ghendar
Warlord
10838 Posts
In the constellation of Cygnus, or Central Connecticut
| | 08/20/2007 7:53 AM |
| Posted By warty_nosed_goblin on 08/20/2007 7:45 AM
Now this I really fail to understand- how does the fact that Wizards is coming out with a new edition do anything to invalidate 3.5? Sure it is no longer specifically supported, but this does nothing to stop you from playing it. A lot of people say things like this. "how does the fact that Wizards is coming out with a new edition do anything to invalidate 3.5?"
4E does not invalidate 3.5 and yes nothing is stopping anyone from playing whatever edition they feel like.
The real issue is when a company releases a new edition, players have a couple choices. Usually those choices are keep playing the old or move to the new. People who want to continue playing the old feel threatened because they believe that most of the available players will automatically move to the new thus leaving them with no players.
I truly believe this is the heart of the issue. The fact is (and it is a fact) when a new edition of D&D comes out, players tend to migrate to the new edition, leaving the existing player base for the old edition greatly depleted. I'm not sure that will happen right away with the move from 3E to 4E because there are a lot of people out there pretty cheesed about this news. We'll see. Â
I play with a group right now that will only play the most current edition and when 4E comes out they will definitely want to move to it. So now I have a choice, either find another 3E group or move to 4E. The problem is that I like the people I play D&D with and don't really want to go out and find another group, thus my only options are to play 4E or not play at all.
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Leaning towards giving 4e the Digitus Impudicus
Champion of the Spider Eater with rider.
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
How many times in life do you get to eat your own Ctulhu? - Posted By Pedro on 03/31/2008 2:29 | |
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
6234 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 08/20/2007 11:17 AM |
| | Again, I don't see a lie in that. I see a political answer. Something that isn't false, but isn't all revealing of the companies plans. It's called propietary information, and they aren't going to release it until it's the proper time. I bet they start working on either 4.5 or 5th edition after 4E gets released. It's always in the back of the mind, little tweaks and fixes that they wish they had thought of. Until it's perfect, expect it. | |
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Against The Giants Called Shot: Huge Green Dragon
Icons Called Shot: Gargantuan Prismatic Dragon
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The Beer Baron
Underboss
1548 Posts
"Champion of the Centaur Commander. Knight of the Gnoll Druid. Vindicated Champion of the Dragon Wrought Kobold!
| | 08/20/2007 11:45 AM |
| When my old group was playing 2nd edition, and 3rd came out, I remember some people thinking it was a cash grab then. We kept up our current campaign until it ended, then switched over because 3rd looked neat, and we figured it was the way to go.
When 3.5 hit the shelves, yes I was ticked, but only a bit, about re-buying what I already have. But it was a better product, and I'm glad to have switched.
So here comes 4th Ed. Well, bring it on. I'll buy it and not complain at all. If it's better (and that is only each persons opinion, and remains to be seen) then I'll be a fighter with a longsword cutting up orcs. It's about storytelling if you ask me, and it doesn't matter which edition you use. I think there is room for improvement, and I have my own ideas how to fix D&D to make it he way I want it (but, then there're not asking me).
I haven't bought everybook they put out, so It isn't a huge investment to replace my books anyway (I'll miss my leather bound PHB though). We all spend money on this stuff because it is a hobby. How is that any different if we were into hobbies like model railroad building? I still spend X amount which is what I allow myself to spend on this stuff. Now I'll just spend it on 4e.
I'm not feeling betrayed. In fact kudos to WOTC for giving 10+ months to get it to us. That is plenty of warning that it is coming. I'd probably be a little annoyed if they announced it was coming next month though.
And if they retire a few older sets of DDM, it is probably a good thing as well as a bad. I have all the sets, and much of the old stuff just doesn't get played. Those can go into my "RPG" bins, and I'll concentrate on a streamlined choice of minis to use. And if any-one wants to sell off their LSD's for $5, I'll take them! Heck, I'll pay you $25 and still think it was a deal. | |
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GuJiaXian
Sergeant
636 Posts
Holladay, Utah
| | 08/20/2007 11:55 AM |
| Posted By The Beer Baron on 08/20/2007 11:45 AM
So here comes 4th Ed. Well, bring it on. I'll buy it and not complain at all. If it's better (and that is only each persons opinion, and remains to be seen) then I'll be a fighter with a longsword cutting up orcs. It's about storytelling if you ask me, and it doesn't matter which edition you use. I think there is room for improvement, and I have my own ideas how to fix D&D to make it he way I want it (but, then there're not asking me).
Amen to that. I got into a "heated discussion" about 4th edition at the local game store this last Saturday. One guy made it clear that the new edition would be reducing creativity and making a more strategic, war-game-like game out of D&D. I reminded him that the ruleset is entriely irrelevant; unless you have a good DM and good players, any game--regardless of rules or editions--will suck.
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Ghendar
Warlord
10838 Posts
In the constellation of Cygnus, or Central Connecticut
| | 08/20/2007 2:17 PM |
| Posted By Teflon Jeff on 08/20/2007 11:17 AM
 Until it's perfect, expect it.
Has any game system ever been "perfect" Impossible I say.
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Leaning towards giving 4e the Digitus Impudicus
Champion of the Spider Eater with rider.
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
How many times in life do you get to eat your own Ctulhu? - Posted By Pedro on 03/31/2008 2:29 | |
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zenthrus
Commander
4592 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 08/20/2007 4:09 PM |
| Posted By Ghendar on 08/20/2007 2:17 PM Posted By Teflon Jeff on 08/20/2007 11:17 AM
 Until it's perfect, expect it. Has any game system ever been "perfect" Impossible I say.
Judging by the demo, Stranglehold's game system looks perfect. Granted, it's only the demo (and a video game to boot). As to pen-and-paper game systems ever finding perfection? That's myth. | |
Knight Warlord a.k.a. Commander (#32) in only 6 months. Where's my pie?
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Knight of the Large Dire Chicken
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B
Underboss
1189 Posts
| | 08/20/2007 4:24 PM |
| | MMMM...TRUTH. I like Ice cream. I like all kinds of Ice cream. Sometimes I get a craving for a certain flavour, so I go and enjoy that flavour for a while until I'm sick of it. Even though I'm sick of that flavour I will still go and get ice cream, but just a different flavour. I don't fault ben & jerry for making more flavours...that just gives me more options when I want ice cream. | |
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Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.--Dylan Thomas
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Olaf the Stout
Sergeant
400 Posts
Adelaide, Australia
| | 08/20/2007 6:22 PM |
| Posted By Lab Monkey on 08/19/2007 7:52 PM Posted By Teflon Jeff on 08/19/2007 12:56 PM
 And again, I personally haven't seen anything where they said "no 4E anytime soon" or the like. But, that's just me. I don't see any lies on Wizards part about 4E. Feb 19, 2007: "I'm surprised it took this long for someone to ask that. It's going to come at some point. It's a long ways away. You'll get an announcement when that happens, but it's a long ways away. We have a lot of good stuff coming out through 2008."Found here: http://www.enworld.org/index.php?page=4e That's what has me a little cheesed off. It's pretty darn misleading given that they were working on 4e since 2005.Â
Lab Monkey,
Scott Rouse has since come out and said that he was misquoted in that statement on EN World. He actually said they had a lot of good stuff coming out this year (as in 2007, not 200 . He didn't want to correct it at the time because it would have pretty much told people that 4E was on the way.
Here is a thread on EN World that goes into more detail:
http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=204662
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| Posted By B on 08/20/2007 4:24 PM
MMMM...TRUTH. I like Ice cream. I like all kinds of Ice cream. Sometimes I get a craving for a certain flavour, so I go and enjoy that flavour for a while until I'm sick of it. Even though I'm sick of that flavour I will still go and get ice cream, but just a different flavour. I don't fault ben & jerry for making more flavours...that just gives me more options when I want ice cream.
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Wraithborne
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| Posted By Olaf the Stout on 08/20/2007 6:22 PM Posted By Lab Monkey on 08/19/2007 7:52 PM Posted By Teflon Jeff on 08/19/2007 12:56 PM
 And again, I personally haven't seen anything where they said "no 4E anytime soon" or the like. But, that's just me. I don't see any lies on Wizards part about 4E. Feb 19, 2007: "I'm surprised it took this long for someone to ask that. It's going to come at some point. It's a long ways away. You'll get an announcement when that happens, but it's a long ways away. We have a lot of good stuff coming out through 2008."Found here: http://www.enworld.org/index.php?page=4e That's what has me a little cheesed off. It's pretty darn misleading given that they were working on 4e since 2005. Lab Monkey, Scott Rouse has since come out and said that he was misquoted in that statement on EN World. He actually said they had a lot of good stuff coming out this year (as in 2007, not 200 . He didn't want to correct it at the time because it would have pretty much told people that 4E was on the way. Here is a thread on EN World that goes into more detail: http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=204662Olaf the Stout
Yeah, yeah and in another 8 months when some of the stuff they're saying now doesn't materialize another "misquote"....sounds like dung to me, more something I'd expect from some politician. | |
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Squid
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I read that only the 3 sets previous to 4th Editions release will have conversion cards readily available for download or print.
Wow, you're just one big assumption, aren't you?
First, you're assuming what you read is true. Second, you're assuming that they will only release conversion stats for the last three sets. Third, It's NOT Your System... if anything, D20 is owned by Wizards of the Coast & Hasbro, not you.
Nothing is stopping you from continuing to play 3.5 when 4e comes out. There's no death squads who are going to sneak into your house late at night and kill you while you sleep because you dare play 3.5.
 I JUST BOUGHT A TON OF YOUR FREAKIN BOOKS AND NOW YOUR GONNA STOP SUPPORTING THAT SYSTEM AND MAKE ME BUY NEW BOOKS????? You just now, this past day, bought all the 3.0 and 3.5 books? What have you been doing the past seven years?
Thanks for using us as lab rats to test your system out That's the point of a living system.... it grows and changes every day. New ideas are added and old ones are discarded. Be thankful that D&D generally only changes during a change of editions, not say, 4 times a year like Car Wars did.
THIS HAD BETTER BE THE LAST FREAKIN TIME YOU GUYS PULL THIS RADICAL CHANGING OF OUR BELOVED D&D SYSTEM BECAUSE THIS IS JUST GETTING STINKIN REDICULOUS.
It's not going to be the last time. I'm sure, sometime in the future, 5th edition will come along, as will 6th edition, 7th edition, 8th edition, etc. Remember, Wotc is a company... if a company is to survive, it needs to make money. New editions help make more money for the company. Are you really so selfish that you would rather see Wotc finacially collapse and there be no new D&D products ever than say that the company that owns the system can't make a new one?
One last thing... your big assumption is that WotC won't release conversion notes or conversion card sets ever. This is a huge assumption, and has no basis in fact. After all, Wotc released a conversion kit to convert 2nd to 3rd, and one to convert 3rd to 3.5. They also released notes on how to use your Chainmail minatures with DDM... what makes you think they won't do the same thing this time?
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zenthrus
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SLC, UT
| | 08/20/2007 8:13 PM |
| Posted By Squid on 08/20/2007 7:47 PM
There's no death squads who are going to sneak into your house late at night and kill you while you sleep because you dare play 3.5.
What? All that training for nothin' 
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cyderakk
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| | 08/20/2007 8:16 PM |
| Squid..................Squidy.....................Squid-for-brains...... First of all, Yes I am assuming what I read is true. Otherwise ONCE AGAIN Wizards would be lying to its faithful fans.Â
SECOND I am not assuming that they are only going to release conversion stats for the last three sets, They SAID that exactly in all their little Informative Articles and seminars.
THIRD I know its not MY system. It was me being funny. Laugh Idiot!
And as for me buying the books, I didn't JUST buy them all in one shot but not everyone who posts here makes more than 30,000 a year. I'm a blue collar guy and it takes me a couple paychecks to be able to lay down that Hard Earned Cash for a $40.00 book. I got bills to pay. And my family comes before a hobby.
Lab rats thing......its just true what you going to do. BTW....Car Wars Sucked!!!!
I realize its not going to be the last D&D edition In Fact I hope its not. It was a rant. It didn't need a response Numbnuts!
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| | 08/20/2007 10:22 PM |
| Hmmm...this particular topic has crossed the borders of decorum one too many times. Again, personal attacks (in any form) are not permissible conduct.
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